Questions I've come up with since working on my dream PC

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I've been lurking Tom's Hardware for years now, as I've been interested in building my own PC for the past ten years or so. Finally, I think it's time. I've done a lot of research, but I would like opinions on what I have so far, and a few questions I haven't quite had satisfactory answers to. Before I begin with that, however, I will post the new build template and my responses.

Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of July, maybe August.

Budget Range: I would like my upper limit to be around $1600, but I am also building this machine for longevity, and I would rather spend more now than be constantly playing catch-up.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: This machine will be my primary source of home entertainment. I want it to handle games for a few years to come, but I will also be using it for web surfing and movies.

Are you buying a monitor: No.

Parts to Upgrade: All. I am currently using a pre-built HP I regret buying, but it is six years old. I want a clean start with this machine.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I would be very happy if I could get all of these parts from Newegg.

Location: Denver, CO, USA

Parts Preferences: I prefer Intel and Nvidia.

Overclocking: Yes, I am very interested in learning to overclock.

SLI or Crossfire: Not immediately, but eventually yes.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I would like this machine to be powerful and quiet. I want to be able to run Skyrim STEP, the FPS games on the market today and games like The Witcher 3 and TES VI.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I want to build my own desktop that is built to last. I want it to be great out of the gate, with the ability to have an SLI, more RAM, and further down the road be upgrade-able.

And now, the build! And questions I have about the build.

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.99 @ Amazon)

Should I go with the i5-4670k or the brand new i5-4690k? The difference is only $20, which isn't huge, but is the power of the Devil's Canyon worth it?

Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.99 @ Newegg)

I went with this board after reading a comparison done right here on Tom's. I think I would be happy with it. My problem with motherboard shopping is the sheer volume of options. This board seems to have everything I need on it; what do more expensive boards bring to the table? After a while they all start to look identical to me.

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($139.99 @ Micro Center)

A friend of mine explained to me that the configuration of RAM in a machine is very important. For instance, if Machine A has 15 GB of Ram in a 4x4x4x4 array, it will be more efficient than Machine B using an 8x8 array. Is this true?
I'm also aware that 16 GB of RAM is very likely overkill. However, I do tend to leave many applications running while I game (I am a notorious web page tabber). Will 16 GB help me game while leaving things running in the background, or is it too much even then?

Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($211.49 @ Amazon)

So SSDs seem to be pretty popular, and I admit I am giddy over them in every way save for price. Most people I have talked to say that I should install my OS on an SSD, but install the rest of my applications on a standard drive. Is a fast boot time worth the cost of an SSD?

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($107.00 @ B&H)

I've never had a hard drive fail on me, but I've felt the pain of others who have experienced this. Is it better to get a few 1 TB drives instead? Is putting all of my eggs in a 3 TB basket a bad idea?

Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($629.99 @ Amazon)

It's oh so expensive, but I am rather smitten with the GTX 780 Ti, especially the MSI Frozr model. But I've also seen the GTX 780 6 GB. Are these cards comparable? My limited knowledge tells me the 6 GB would only be better if I was running multiple monitors, and the 780 Ti is the better all around choice.
I would really like to experience Skyrim STEP, and I want to be ready for games like The Witcher 2 and TES VI when it comes out. Is the 780 Ti overkill, or is it the right amount of futureproofing? For the price, it seems pretty incredible.

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)

The folks on Reddit seem to love this case, and I like how minimalistic it looks. It's also supposed to be very quiet. Are there quieter cases for the same price range?

Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)

I know how important the PSU is, and I want to make sure I get one that will last. If you have any personal or tested recommendations here, please share!

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)

I really don't like Windows 8; I would much rather have my trusted Windows 7 for my dream machine. But I also know that Windows 8 is the future, and that Microsoft is rolling out updates to make it more desktop friendly. Most importantly, I've heard that Windows 8 is better for hardware optimization, but I haven't heard why. Is this true?

Total: $1747.41

Well that's all I have for now. Thank you to anyone who took the time to read this far and help me out by sharing your wisdom. It is much appreciated! I look forward to seeing what you all come up with.
 
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This is a very well thought out and organized post. It also appears as though you have done your homework, know what you want, and are very close to getting it.

Normally I would have more recommendations than I do, but this is a very very solid build. Nothing here seems glaringly overprices or mis-chosen. Here's a few of the recommendations I will make to you though.

CPU: The 4690k is a fine processor for the money, I haven't found anybody claiming that the upgrade wasn't wroth the $20 or they'd wished they'd gone a bit chaper. Typically, the rule is, buy the best you can afford, and the 4690k is pretty much the best of the i5's.

MOBO: A fine choice, seems to have solid reviews and if it has everything you want, I see no reason to go...

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Excellent write up! I'm a bit of a noob in computer builds, so others will have more informed opinions. That said, I would not be comfortable with a singe 3TB drive, unless you have another means of backing up your valuable files (maybe get a kit to convert your old drive(s) to external USB and back up to it/them).
The case I'm about to get is a Corsair Obsidian 550d. It's supposed to be quiet and has lot of room for additional fans. Here's a couple of links:
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/obsidian-series-550d-mid-tower-quiet-case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGb7fqFrxWs

With regards to Windows 8. Lot's of people make a big deal about it, but with an open mind and a bit of Googling you can learn to be comfortable with it quite quickly IMO. I'm a bit of a late adopter and was dreading the move to Windows 8, but then after a couple of weeks of using it, and putting in place some easy customizations found via google searches, I was wondering what all the whining was about. I have Win7 at home and Win8 at work and am now wanting 8 at home. I'm a little skittish on having some games stop working so I need to check that before making the move.

My entire (planned) build is described here (it's by no means perfect):
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2203285/gaming-build-feedback-july-2014.html#13644356

Those are just some thoughts I had, take em for what they're worth and I hope they help!
 

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This is a very well thought out and organized post. It also appears as though you have done your homework, know what you want, and are very close to getting it.

Normally I would have more recommendations than I do, but this is a very very solid build. Nothing here seems glaringly overprices or mis-chosen. Here's a few of the recommendations I will make to you though.

CPU: The 4690k is a fine processor for the money, I haven't found anybody claiming that the upgrade wasn't wroth the $20 or they'd wished they'd gone a bit chaper. Typically, the rule is, buy the best you can afford, and the 4690k is pretty much the best of the i5's.

MOBO: A fine choice, seems to have solid reviews and if it has everything you want, I see no reason to go for a more expensive model.

MEMORY: 32GB is overkill. 16GB is just fine for futureproofing and if you run many applications at one, if you're okay with paying for the extra 8 gigs, I say by all means go for it.

STORAGE: Are you sure you need a 512GB SSD? Most folks seem to be just fine with a 256GB, as only applications and the OS should be installed on your SSD, not large files, that's what mass storage is for. A single 3TB is fine as long as you have a backup (I recommend this for anybody anywhere).

VIDEO CARD: Now, this is where you really must pay attention. The 780 Ti is a great card and will drive anything you can possibly throw at it, but $600 for a single component is A LOT of money. The 6GB 780 is more-so for the intensive Photoshopper or Maya editor, as games typically can't even utilize that much graphical memory and would benefit more from a higher clock speed. Overall, you will be futureproofed for years if you get this card.

CASE: Seems fine, absolutely excellent reviews, and no flare whatsoever (I assume this is what you're going for.)

PSU: Seasonic is great. More than enough wattage. Nice choice.

OS: If you don't like Windows 8, just get 7. The jump from 7 to 9 won't be as traumatic as you might think, and I believe Windows 9 may be closer than we anticipate, given the slow sales and sub-par reviews Windows 8 received (It's made for a tablet, not a desktop.)

Overall, great build, will serve you very well for years to come.
 
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