Z87 or Z97 motherboard
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 8:09:38 AM
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 8:38:40 AM
Thanks.
How is the Asus MAXIMUS-VII-RANGER ?
I have a deal ( 35 euro cashback) on it, and i was thinking of buying a wifi card because i need wifi ( D-Link DWA-556).
That is out of the subject, but for gaming purpose, do you think an i7 4770K can be much more " future proofing" than the I5 4670K ? ( because of HT, maybe ?)
How is the Asus MAXIMUS-VII-RANGER ?
I have a deal ( 35 euro cashback) on it, and i was thinking of buying a wifi card because i need wifi ( D-Link DWA-556).
That is out of the subject, but for gaming purpose, do you think an i7 4770K can be much more " future proofing" than the I5 4670K ? ( because of HT, maybe ?)
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Jack-OF-Blades said:
How is the Asus MAXIMUS-VII-RANGER ?A great motherboard, but too expensive for me.
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That is out of the subject, but for gaming purpose, do you think an i7 4770K can be much more " future proofing" than the I5 4670K ? ( because of HT, maybe ?)No. Most games do not make use of HT and HT is not likely going to be very popular in the foreseeable future. You will still be able to play them well on the i5. Overall performance gain is about 10-15% with HT.
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 9:00:24 AM
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Do i risk a big bottleneck with a with the I5 ?You'll need some amount of overclock on it, but generally no. At least, the i5 won't bottleneck it anymore than the i7 will. It depends on the application and scenario. The definition of bottleneck is "anything that is preventing something from performing at its full potential is considered a bottleneck." So there is always some bottleneck somewhere. If there are no bottlenecks, everything will run instantly. That's obviously not the case. The major point is "will the bottleneck be noticeable?" and the answer is no.
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If i buy a good wifi card, will i have the same result that i could have with an onboard wifi card ?The wifi card is usually better in performance.
If it dies, you can easily replace it. If the onboard one dies, it's gone and you'll have to buy a new wireless card.
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 9:29:41 AM
Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 9:45:08 AM
Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 10:08:41 AM
Either is great, Z97 really does not overclock any better than Z87. Main difference between the two are storage features. Z97 supports M.2 flash storage and PCIe storage as well. At this point, might as well go with the Z97 because there is minimal difference in price between the two and Z97 is the newer chipset.
However, if you can grab a great deal on a Z87 board, do not hesitate to get it.
What kind of budget are you working with in regards to mainboard choice?
However, if you can grab a great deal on a Z87 board, do not hesitate to get it.
What kind of budget are you working with in regards to mainboard choice?
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 10:38:58 AM
Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 1:37:10 PM
It is a new interface for storage. You can connect your SSD to it and it will run over a PCIe lane which allows for much greater throughput up to 10GB. I would personally look at a MSI board such as one of the "Gaming" series such as the Gaming 5 or 7 or if you wish to overclock a bit you can go with more of an enthusiast board such as the MSI Z97 Mpower. I have been nothing but pleased with MSI boards for my last couple of builds and I currently use the Z87 Mpower and have used this board in about 4 different rigs and all of them have performed flawlessly.
The 4690k does run a bit cooler and you should be able to squeek a little bit more headroom out of it for overclocking; however, the performance between the two are very similar at stock speeds. If the price is minimal between the two, go for the 4690k.
The 4690k does run a bit cooler and you should be able to squeek a little bit more headroom out of it for overclocking; however, the performance between the two are very similar at stock speeds. If the price is minimal between the two, go for the 4690k.
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 2:02:51 PM
kira70591 said:
It is a new interface for storage. You can connect your SSD to it and it will run over a PCIe lane which allows for much greater throughput up to 10GB. I would personally look at a MSI board such as one of the "Gaming" series such as the Gaming 5 or 7 or if you wish to overclock a bit you can go with more of an enthusiast board such as the MSI Z97 Mpower. I have been nothing but pleased with MSI boards for my last couple of builds and I currently use the Z87 Mpower and have used this board in about 4 different rigs and all of them have performed flawlessly.The 4690k does run a bit cooler and you should be able to squeek a little bit more headroom out of it for overclocking; however, the performance between the two are very similar at stock speeds. If the price is minimal between the two, go for the 4690k.
By the way, capital B is always "Byte". Please use lowercase "b" for bit. Gigabyte is NOT the same as Gigabit. If the current connection is 6GBps, there would be no need for SATA Express because that alone is already more than fast enough for quite a long while. And I believe SATA Express runs up to twice as fast, so 12Gbps.
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So if i want to buy a SSD, it greater to take a Motherboard with sata express ?Yes.
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Will i be overcloking limited with with a msi Z97 gaming 5 ? You'll be limited by the CPU before you are limited by the motherboard.
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 2:48:11 PM
Jack-OF-Blades
July 5, 2014 3:33:58 PM
I know the difference between bit and byte, I was trying to type out the answer before I had to leave so I was trying to get it out quick. A lot of the board manufacturers have been putting 10 on both M.2 and Express. Probably so they cover their own butts or it was just the very early models and it was a mistake. Very unlikely you are going to achieve that level of performance anyways.
Many CPUs from even two years ago are running just fine without any sort of overclocking while gaming. If you buy top tier now it normally lasts for a few years before it may start to get bogged down by software. At that point, there will probably be a few more chipsets out that offer a compelling reason to upgrade so a lot of time you really do not even need to OC unless you feel the need to or want to do it for fun.
Sure, you may see an improvement in benchmarks but if you are not rendering, you normally do not see much of an improvement in real world usage.
I agree with Ksham, most of the time you are going to be limited by your CPU before you are limited by the motherboard. Just pick a chipset that you wish to get and then the features that you wish to have. Most of them overclock just fine unless you are wanting to push crazy limits.
If you are at a university, they are probably using mixed mode so that all of the students devices can connect whether they have wireless "n," "g," or one of the other types. AC is still pretty new and expensive at the Enterprise level to be rolling out on a University level scale.
If you wanted to go with a locked CPU, you could always go with a Xeon which has the onboard video disabled. Many times you can pick a comparable version to the 4770k up for cheaper. Also, games are starting to make use of more threads / core; however, it will probably still be awhile before makers start to develop with that clearly in mind. If you edit or render video, then I would recommend an i7 as software of that type normally supports multiple cores / threads. If you plan to use it purely for gaming, I would stick with a high tier i5 such as the 4690 or the 4690k.
Many CPUs from even two years ago are running just fine without any sort of overclocking while gaming. If you buy top tier now it normally lasts for a few years before it may start to get bogged down by software. At that point, there will probably be a few more chipsets out that offer a compelling reason to upgrade so a lot of time you really do not even need to OC unless you feel the need to or want to do it for fun.
Sure, you may see an improvement in benchmarks but if you are not rendering, you normally do not see much of an improvement in real world usage.
I agree with Ksham, most of the time you are going to be limited by your CPU before you are limited by the motherboard. Just pick a chipset that you wish to get and then the features that you wish to have. Most of them overclock just fine unless you are wanting to push crazy limits.
If you are at a university, they are probably using mixed mode so that all of the students devices can connect whether they have wireless "n," "g," or one of the other types. AC is still pretty new and expensive at the Enterprise level to be rolling out on a University level scale.
If you wanted to go with a locked CPU, you could always go with a Xeon which has the onboard video disabled. Many times you can pick a comparable version to the 4770k up for cheaper. Also, games are starting to make use of more threads / core; however, it will probably still be awhile before makers start to develop with that clearly in mind. If you edit or render video, then I would recommend an i7 as software of that type normally supports multiple cores / threads. If you plan to use it purely for gaming, I would stick with a high tier i5 such as the 4690 or the 4690k.
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Jack-OF-Blades
July 6, 2014 1:33:38 AM
I have the possibility to afford an I7 4770K, but iwould have to go with a cheaper Z97 motherboard, like the ASRock Z97-PRO4 ( which seems to have everything i need).
I'm worrying about Hyperthreading because they begin to appear in the recommended requirement ( Watch dogs, but this one doesn't really count
, Shadow of mordor for example) , and i just doesn't want to be in the position of people who went with a 2 Gb Gpu in 2014 ( i don't know if you understand what i mean, my english isn't very good ).
So about the wifi, what should i understand ?
Edit : Or, i can just go with the I5 4690k and upgrad elater thanks to the Z97 motherboard.
I'm worrying about Hyperthreading because they begin to appear in the recommended requirement ( Watch dogs, but this one doesn't really count
, Shadow of mordor for example) , and i just doesn't want to be in the position of people who went with a 2 Gb Gpu in 2014 ( i don't know if you understand what i mean, my english isn't very good ).So about the wifi, what should i understand ?
Edit : Or, i can just go with the I5 4690k and upgrad elater thanks to the Z97 motherboard.
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If you can get a 4770k, I would save up just a bit more and get the 4790k if possible. However, you can go with the 4690k and upgrade later if you wish. The 4690k should still serve you quite well with regards to gaming. Four cores is still quite a bit of power. I would recommend getting the 4690k i5 and sinking the difference into a GPU such as a 780 6Gb version or a 780ti. Get the most powerful GPU that you can afford as the Asrock board only supports a single Nvidia card solution and it has limited Crossfire potential from AMD as the second slot only supports x4.
As for Wifi, I would suggest a card such as these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
These are inexpensive cards that should do the job that you are seeking. As long as you get a card that supports both "G" and "N" you should be fine. The "G" support is nice as there are some places that are still running with Wireless "G." In the future you can upgrade to wireless AC which would net you much higher transfer speeds. However, that is really only useful in the situations where you have the need to transfer large amounts of data quickly or if you are streaming across your network in an intensive way such as using a Nvidia Shield. Wireless G is honestly still fast enough for most people when it comes to internet access as their connection is not fast enough to fully utilize it.
As for Wifi, I would suggest a card such as these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
These are inexpensive cards that should do the job that you are seeking. As long as you get a card that supports both "G" and "N" you should be fine. The "G" support is nice as there are some places that are still running with Wireless "G." In the future you can upgrade to wireless AC which would net you much higher transfer speeds. However, that is really only useful in the situations where you have the need to transfer large amounts of data quickly or if you are streaming across your network in an intensive way such as using a Nvidia Shield. Wireless G is honestly still fast enough for most people when it comes to internet access as their connection is not fast enough to fully utilize it.
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