is nvidia better then ati?

Jacob Bowerman · Jul 6, 2014

ok so to my knowledge from what I've heard from people and whatnot. that nvidia is better then ati.

now im only assuming geforce and radeon have tiers e.G r250,r260,r270 etc etc and gtx 750/60/70/80 etc.

it is to my assumption that the r270 to radions answer to the geforce 780.

lets take these 2 gpu's similar prices.
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1483&products_id=23837
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1555&products_id=26486

from what we can gather here in differences.
radeon:
512bit
4GB
gpu clock 1040mhz
memory clock 5000 mhz.

geforce:
384bit
3GB
gpu clock 954mhz
memory clock 6008mhz

now, the radeon beats the geforce in many of those specs, so why the nvidia considered better or is what i heard about geforce being better wrong? or is the

Someone Somewhere · Jul 6, 2014

ATi no longer exists; they we re bought out by AMD and rebranded. Excluding that, see below:

This may be a useful resource: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

Note that specs do not always translate directly into benchmarks.

There are some who consider Nvidia to be more of a 'quality'/luxury brand, though personally I don't really agree.

Jacob Bowerman · Jul 6, 2014

Someone Somewhere :

ok so i looked that the link and thats just confirming my suspicion of tiers

but why don't the specs translate into benchmarks.
Like with processors. say you get a 6core i7 4ghz. 8m cache. and a i3 dual core 2ghz 4mb cache *for exmaple*
the i7 in theory should kick the i3's ass. its got more cores, faster speed, bigger cache etc etc.
so why wouldn't the r290 beat the 780. (despite the 780 having a faster memory clock). or is it just that the 780 is worser and everything and then the memory clock brings it up or 'redeems' itself to make it equal with the r290

PC-Noobist · Jul 6, 2014

The R9 290X is the better of the 2, faster GPU more memory and AMD drivers and support were only bad in the ATI days so noone can compare the 2 by drivers, the 780 would be a tiny bit cooler but not enough to make a difference, the R9 290X will be faster in most games, some games the 780 will be faster but all most all of them games arent worth playing anyway, i see your Australian well same here mate and i know what im talking about, generally people saying NVIDIA is better because its cooler, consumes less power and "EVENTUALLY" brings out a faster variant to an AMD card (the last reason can be vice versa) but overall AMD is very stable and a strong company, the R9 290X is compared to the 780 TI alot but i cant justify paying $300+ for literally 1 FPS when you can overclock the R9 290X to match that or better, very rarely it gets to be 5 FPS more ive only ever seen once that its 10 FPS, also games like Battlefield 4, Crysis 3 and watchdogs use 3GB+ of VRAM when on ultra or 1440P+ resolutions so the 4GB VRAM will result in a more immersive and overall solid gameplay, right now the 290X's are super cheap, if your not overclocking get the XFX R9 290X for $549 i think it was, if you have anymore questions ask away im around quite often

iron8orn · Jul 6, 2014

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-780

There is many things to compare and saying one company is better than the other is just a statement with limited understanding.

PC-Noobist · Jul 6, 2014

iron8orn :

DO NOT USE GPU BOSS!! THEY ARE LITERALLY INTEL AND NVIDIA BIASED AND THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN MANY TIMES, I HAVE NOT ONE OUNCE OF TRUST FOR THAT WEBSITE KEEP AWAY!

InvalidError · Jul 6, 2014

With Maxwell (750), I would say the technical superiority ball is clearly in Nvidia's camp at the moment: roughly half the TDP of similar-performing AMD GPUs.

hunter315 · Jul 6, 2014

Yeah, that GPU boss site is definitely biased. If a site doesn't tell you exactly what benchmarks they are using to create their composite score then they can pick and choose ones that make the results turn out how they'd like.

Take a look at the Anandtech comparsion between the 290X and 780, you'll notice a pattern where the 290X almost always wins unlike what that GPUboss site had tried to show with 6 tests...
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1036?vs=1056

Swordkd · Jul 6, 2014

From a pure performance standpoint, nVidia is generally a slight bit faster than the Amd equivalent. However, you'll pay more money for it, and it's generally not worth the extra money spent for that performance gain.

In your example, the Radeon 290x actually competes with the nVidia 780ti, not the 780. The 290x performs better than the 780, for only 20 more so it's the better buy. This is the same-branded card that competes with the 290x though: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1577&products_id=26525 It's also 899.00, and not worth the price for what little performance you do gain.

As far as specs go, only compare them within the same brand. The nVidia specs don't really translate to Amd specs, because like you've pointed out there are vast disparities in the speeds.

Like the article that was linked earlier says, the *tiers* are like this: nVidia - Amd equivalent: 780ti - 290x, 780 - 290, 770 - 280x. After that it gets pretty muddy because the pricing starts to really separate from themselves.

PC-Noobist · Jul 6, 2014

InvalidError :

The 750 is the only card with that kind of TDP for a while because the small manufacturing process is being delayed because NVIDIA's silicon/gpu supplier cant get it to work, the new GTX 880 is going the have the same Process and wont be much more energy efficient, also the TDP between NVIDIA and AMD is that big its only the CPU's that have a big difference also take into account that AMD is ALOT cheaper than NVIDA

Someone Somewhere · Jul 6, 2014

I'm pretty sure the 750 is 28nm Maxwell, not 20nm. Same as Kepler.

PC-Noobist · Jul 6, 2014

Swordkd :

Someone Somewhere :

Because it cant be done yet, my point may have come across saying that it was 20, i tend to type things wrong sometimes and it doesnt come out how i meant it but speculation says the GTX 860 will hopefully have the 20nm with more research

iron8orn · Jul 6, 2014

I have much doubt for a 20nm gpu. the next phase is 14nm/dx12

InvalidError · Jul 6, 2014

PC-Noobist :

Well, the 750 proves that there is substantial power-saving potential in tweaking things even at 28nm and 28nm is available from UMC, TSMC, GF, etc. NOW so Nvidia does not really need to wait for 20nm to be more mature to release more Maxwell chips... same performance for half the electrical power sounds like a good enough reason to launch a new lineup. Certainly beats re-branding old designs with minor alterations.

Someone Somewhere · Jul 6, 2014

iron8orn :

14nm is the next step for Intel. Not for TSMC, who are currently on 28nm and very close to 20nm.

DirectX version has very little correlation with node size.

iron8orn · Jul 6, 2014

I think that there is little actual info about it at the moment but several have speculated about it on here and from what they have found it will be 14nm come early 2016.

Really just my speculation about dx12 but... what else would they be.

Someone Somewhere · Jul 6, 2014

Nvidia says that DX12 will run on all DX11 class GPUs, including Fermi, Kepler, and Maxwell: http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/20/directx-12/

Sixth paragraph.

iron8orn · Jul 7, 2014

no drp.. you should argue with your mama kid... omg is it really backwards compatible? so do you want 1 cookie or 2?

Someone Somewhere · Jul 7, 2014

iron8orn :

I normally think I'm fairly good at parsing poor English, but this...

CAaronD · Jul 7, 2014

Someone Somewhere :

I agree. I'm lost

what does cookies have to do with anything here? I don't get it. Also you seriously have the nicest English on the internet ...

Retaliator · Jul 7, 2014

Jacob Bowerman :

It really depends on what games you play, AMD is better on Mantle Based games and is usually always cheaper than Nvidia for similiar performance. In my personal experience I prefer Nvidia, Find their Drivers are better, their software is better, their Temp's are better and run quieter than the Radeons. Personal preference at the end of the day, Check reviews for relevent games you play or intend to play and compare your budget. For me the cooler card that overclocks better is the winner... Videoram should be considered also, For 1440p you really want more than 3GB otherwise 3GB is more than enough at the moment.

Retaliator · Jul 7, 2014

Someone Somewhere :

Apparantly they learnt from the mistakes of DX10..... Hehe, Yes I have read multiple sources say the same thing, Nvidia are claiming DX12 will be backwards compatible, Unlike Mantle....

InvalidError · Jul 7, 2014

Retaliator :

Mantle is a whole new API so that cannot be helped.

DX12's biggest benefits are allowing persistent buffers and bypassing redundant draw steps. Since drivers were already responsible for macroscopic GPU resource management, it is not so surprising that most of those DX12 features can be implemented on older GPUs with a few relatively simple driver tweaks.

If OGL and DX draw performance could be improved this much with such simple changes, it boggles the mind how they waited so long to sanity-check and simplify the draw process.

leeb2013 · Jul 7, 2014

Jacob Bowerman :

you can't compare specs, just like with CPUs. You can only compare performance in games from (hopefully non-biased)reviews. Clocks mean nothing, memory interface width doesn't tell the whole story and 3GB vs 4GB only really comes into play multimonitor.

Nvidia's CUDA cores are generally more efficient than AMD stream processors, so again you can't compare cores.

Just look which card is in your price bracket, check how each performs in the games you want to play (reviews) and get the one that generally performs the best.

AMD Mantle can help, but generally only when you have a weak AMD CPU as it take some load of it.

iron8orn · Jul 7, 2014

sarcasm... children...

your article had nothing to do with what i said. all you wanted to do was take a shot at me so you get a cookie for a epic fail

is nvidia better then ati?

Honorable

Titan

Honorable

Distinguished

Admirable

Distinguished

Titan

Champion

Splendid

Distinguished

Titan

Distinguished

Admirable

Titan

Titan

Admirable

Titan

Admirable

Titan

Honorable

Distinguished

Distinguished

Titan

Honorable

Admirable

Share this page