How do i know if a fan can use voltage control

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Hello, im planning on buying a nzxt sentry 2 and noticed that it says "Sentry 2 fan connector=3 pin and is compatible with any fan that uses voltage control." So how can i know that the fan uses voltage control? The fans i have are 4 pin, will they be okay?
I have the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103192&cm_re=COOLERMASTER_R4-JFDP-20PB-R1_JETFLO_BLUE_LED_FAN_120MM-_-35-103-192-_-Product
and http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=NOCTUA+NF-A14+PWM+FAN+140MM&N=-1&isNodeId=1
Thanks for the replies.
 
Back not very long ago, all MoBo headers other than the CPU headers were 3 pin DC voltage. Now they are mostly 4 pin but they are NOT PWM. Generally those 4 pin headers will control both 4 pin PWM and 3 pin DC Voltage fans.

While there is some technical advantages to PWM, I find them not worth the increased costs. Especially with fan control PCBs. The Phanteks PCB for example takes a PWM signal and uses it to control up to 11 fans. The advantage of using PWM fans here is you can plug in auxilliary power whereas with the DC voltage fans you are limited to the rating of the MoBo header.
 


This is incorrect.

The 3 pin fan headers have no speed control whatsoever. There are three pins, one +12 volt supply, one reference (ground), and one sensor pin. The sensor pin is used to track the fan's rotational velocity by counting pulses that occur once every half rotation.

The 4 pin fan headers have an additional pin for PWM control. 3 pin fans are key compatible with 4 pin fan headers, the PWM pin is simply left disconnected.

The only way to actually control the rotational velocity of a fan that does not have PWM control (3 pin chassis fans) is to raise and lower the supply voltage to the DC motor. Most fans are designed around a nominal 12 volt supply and will rotate at a marketed rate plus/minus some margin of error. For example, the Corsair SP 120 Quiet Edition fans that I have in my case rotate at nominal 1450RPM against a 12 volt supply.

The trouble with controlling fan speed via DC control is that lowering the DC supply lowers the torque applied to the rotor, lower it too much and it may stall out. If a DC motor stalls out it still draws current (the most current actually) and will eventually overheat and fail. The DC response of each motor is unique and all that we know is that they are supposed to rotate at a nominal RPM when supplied with 12 volts, we do not necessarily know how they will behave when supplied with less.

PWM on the other hand keeps the maximum torque constant, but simply lowers the rate at which it is applied. The motor will rotate slower, but will not stall out as it would with a lower DC supply.

Now, what makes NZXT's design colossally stupid is that there's no rotational monitoring whatsoever in the Sentry 2. If a motor stalls, there's no way to tell short of physical inspection.
 
This is incorrect.

That would be news to all my users and the rest if the world who are all doing this. I'm currently controlling 16 fans via my MoBo fan headers on my own box. I'd be interested in your explanation on how my MoBo's 3 fan headers are controlling the 16 fans between 326 and 850 rpm on three separate channels if I'm incorrect. Also the 5 other builds here and all the other builds we do each month.

The only way to actually control the rotational velocity of a fan that does not have PWM control (3 pin chassis fans) is to raise and lower the supply voltage to the DC motor.

Exactly ..... and that's exactly what the 3 pin fan headers do. The three pin fan headers exist on the motherboard. The motherboard BIOS or companion utility (i.e Asus fan Xpert2) controls the fans by controlling the voltage on the header. It's one thing quoting a source, another understanding it....especially when the source is outdated and predates currently available technology.

The difference between PWM and DC voltage control in today's world can best be described by those self propelled spinning merry-go-rounds found in children's playgrounds:

DC Variable voltage control is comparable to Dad sticking the 3 kids on the playground thing and applying pressure to every bar that goes by, no stopping, grabbing every bar that goes by and pushing to keep the thing moving at a certain speed....to spin faster, Dad pushes harder.... to spin slower Dad pushes with less effort.

PWM control is comparable to Dad sticking the 3 kids on the playground thing and always pushing the bar as hard as he can. The way dad controls peed is to vary the time between each push. To go faster he decreases the interval between pushes.... the go slower he increases the time interval between pushes.

Years back when DC variable voltage control was less sophisticated, one problem with this approach was that when called upon to run at slow speeds, the low voltage applied was not enough to overcome the inertia of a non moving fan. Today, when implementing currently available technology, that problem is extinct. Today's variable voltage BIOS technology will test each fan in your system and determine stall speed, startup speed and prepare a list of data points from 0 to full rpm and from 0 to 12 volts. If it wants to run at 330 rpm but knows it won't start below 360 rpm It will start at a higher rpm and then ramp down.

The trouble with controlling fan speed via DC control is that lowering the DC supply lowers the torque applied to the rotor, lower it too much and it may stall out. If a DC motor stalls out it still draws current (the most current actually) and will eventually overheat and fail. The DC response of each motor is unique and all that we know is that they are supposed to rotate at a nominal RPM when supplied with 12 volts, we do not necessarily know how they will behave when supplied with less.

Interesting perhaps as a historical reference but doesn't apply today. This doesn't happen anymore if you are using currently available technology. Because of the testing that was done by the MoBo utility, it knows exactly where on the curve the stall point is. The utility will therefore create a setpoint just above the stall point, so that can **never** happen. And yes we do now exactly how they will be behave at each point on the curve because the test determined each of those points exactly.

Here's how I am controlling my box:

Channel 1
CPU_1 PWM Header => Water Pump 1
CPU_2 PWM Header => Water Pump 2 (PWM)

Channel 2
CHA_1 DC Variable Voltage Header => PCB-1 => (6) 140mm 1200 rpm Case Fans

Channel 3
CHA_2 DC Variable Voltage Header => PCB-2 => (6) 140mm 1200 rpm Radiator Fans on XT45-420

Channel 4
CHA_3 DC Variable Voltage Header => PCB-3 => (4) 140mm 1200 rpm Radiator Fans on UT60-280

1. Setup begins by running the AutoFan Tuning Mode. It runs the fan from 100% voltage and drops it down in 10% increments and records the actual rpm.. During this it determines min. speed, stall speed, startup speed and correlate each fan's rpm with % of full voltage

2. You then set the individual control points for each to determine at what temps you want to change speed..... utility will automatically ramp the speeds between the set control points.

3. The lowest set point is above the stall speed determined by the test. So the "stall scenario" you described is now impossible .

4. You have the option of running at the minimum speed above stall or turning the fan off at this temperature level.

5. You can also set the rate at which the fan responds to temperature changes from steep to gradual. This settings reduces sound as well as allows the fan to run at more stable speeds rather than ramping up and down chasing variable loads.

On my rig, the tuning mode determined the maximum fan speed is actually about 1238 rpm, tho I never see that speed. I can maintain an a < 10C Delta T under all conditions (outside of synthetic benchmarks) with a max speed of 850 rpm. The one thing I lose using 3 pin fans instead of 4 pin PWM is that the PWM fans will go down to 300 rpm but the tuning utility set the min. speed at 326 rpm. I am tempted to have the utility turn them off at 350 or 400 rpm when the puter is idle but since they are dead silent over the 326 - 850 rpm speed range, I haven't bothered.

Of course the caveat must be stated that if ya bought a $89 MoBo, it's not going to come with this technology. Speedfan may work for ya and you still can always just set the minimum fan speed in the BIOS so you never stall but the auto tuning and fine adjustments won't be available..




 


I have an engineering degree, you don't need to tell me how motor control works.

Running a DC motor at less than nominal voltage is all well and fine for a closed loop controller which can monitor RPM to make sure that the motor doesn't stall out (EDIT: it will be less electrically efficient than running it at nominal voltage via PWM, but who's counting a few watts) but the NZXT product in question can't do this; in fact, it has no feedback whatsoever, it's entirely open loop. It may have internal current limiting hardware but that's barely even a half measure.
 
You didn't argue efficiency, you argued that the post was incorrect.....every word of it was absolutely correct which that engineering degree should have made readily evident. The post you quoted didn't say a word about nor had anything to do with the the NZXT controller, I was answering the OPs question:

So how can i know that the fan uses voltage control?

As well as the follow up post about 3 and 4 pin fans ....., to expand on the difference between 3 and 4 pin fans to show how 3 and 4 pin fans are normal controlled via MoBo Headers. Most people assume a 4 pin header is automatically PWM when 4 pin chassis headers are DC voltage controlled, they will in fact provide speed control on PWM fans.

As for efficiency, you got it backwards....while the same through most of the curve, at low rpms, PWM consumes more power. It also must be stated that PWM has an inherent disadvantage which you neglected to report. Motor tick, buzz, hum at low speeds.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?263544-Fan-Control-PWM-vs-Voltage-Noise-Analysis