Alternative AMD CPU/APU for the Intel i5 4690?

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AMD obviously has lower pricing for their CPUs and APUs than Intel does on their CPUs. I'm on a budget of $1300 and I want more performance for the price.

I know that the Intel i5 4690 is great for gaming but around $230. I want to know the AMD CPU or APU that goes head to head with the i5 4690. :D
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Vapor-X Video Card ($608.51 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($85.87 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $1315.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

For your consideration: The i5 4690 gains virtually nothing over the 4590, leaving the 4590 as the best bang/buck CPU in its price range.

The R9 290x gives almost GTX 780 Ti performance for ~$100 cheaper (bang!)

The CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO is not really necessary, but it will definitely give you a quieter system vs the stock fan.

Z97 chipset because it's blue :D
 
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I have to completey disagree with the comments here. Obviously two Intel fanboys responded. You will not find a AMD processor equal to the i5?!?@#$ You have to be kidding me!! How many of you own and operate a rig with an i5, A10 and FX 8 core?....Don't worry Ill wait.

From personal experience, for gaming (and just about any other task), the A10 series chips are comparable to the i5s. The FX 8/9000 are comparable to the i7s. I had an A10-5700 paired with an r9-270x and I played on ultra settings on 1080p and averaged above 60 fps in most games (albeit with AA turned off). AMD does not have anything for the high-powered Intel server processors though.

If you just want gaming, AMD offers same performance for much lower price. And contrary to the "wanna be" economist, they are not priced lower because of performance. When one company has like 80 to 90% market share it is no longer a free market. The monopoly can then set the price. So competitors have to undercut to remain competitive.

FYI, Intel began paying Dell, HP and others to use their CPUs only. Not to mention they manipulated their libraries so that Intel CPUs would perform better on synthetic benchmarks, when in fact they did not! This occurred back in the late 2000s.

Don't believe me?...Google Intel and anti-trust lawsuits. Here is a link from the WSJ. This went on for about 10 years. So when people simply conclude "cheaper=less performance" obviously does not understand economics, cost-volume-profit analysis, market share, branding, industry reputation, production capacity, etc.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704017904575409152910216786

 
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I have built with every one of those CPUs you listed and many many more. Tested, benchmarked, and recorded each before selling. There is no AMD processor that will match what Intel has for pure gaming. They don't come close in IPC to Intel. Not a fanboy. I couldn't care less about brands. Just facts from years of personal experience. I have no issue with AMD processors. I love them too. I continue to build with them. In fact, I have two AMD rigs in this room with me right now. I'd love to see AMD get competitive again with Intel.
 
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This from the guy who has paired a r9-290x with a second-gen i5-2500k! Just SMH. You obviously know a lot about building a balanced system. ;)

What "match" are you referring? Games are almost all GPU work anyway? With some games optimized for AMD while others Intel benefit. So where is this "great gulf" of a difference you speak of? I benchmark too, and you can not provide a gaming benchmark where the i5 simply blows past an A10 equivalent when paired with a higher end card.

And please do not send me links of "so-called" 90-second gaming benchmarks from popular websites. I conduct benchmarks too, and anyone who does knows that they vary wildly. I conduct 5 minute benchmarks and the map, number of players, action sequences, level loading, user actions all factor into FPS averages.

I can show you benchmarks on BF3 (ultra preset) where some average fps are in the 100s while others in the 70s. How many samples do these benchmarks conduct? Which values do they choose? The one where Intel is somehow always just a whopping 5 fps more?

The only TRUE difference that everyone will feel when buying an Intel CPU (i.e. i7) over a comparable AMD (i.e. FX 8/9000) is the PRICE. That is the one constant benchmark that is universal across the board! LOL

BOTH companies make great CPUs. It is a matter of price/preference. Unless you are building a server/database system, then the Intel processors are the logical choice.
 
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At 4.2 GHZ it never reaches more than 60% usage with the R9-290X, just to belabor the point. But I see where your knowledge stops. Say no more. Have a nice day.
 
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Your CPU should never reach that high in gaming, your GPU (which is super-powerful) is doing most of the work! DUH!! Which goes back to my point about processors and gaming! Just SMH!

And you can "see where knowledge stops" but can't see the imbalance of your build?!? LMAO just SMH! Ha ha ha ha

How about you have even a nicer day and pair that GPU up with some muscle...i7-4790k anyone? And then "see where your i5 stops" HA HA HA HA
 
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I think we're all tiny fanboys of whatever we currently use in our system (We do try our best to hide it), so, considering I have a mostly AMD build, I just wanted to butt in to the conversation/bizarre-internet-armageddon-masquerading-as-a-peaceful-discrepancy-between-two-individuals, and say:



I'm not with him^






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what?
 
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titanhunter,
If you have anything productive to contribute to this thread, please do so without calling anyone out and making a mockery of your knowledge source(and yourself). Consider this a public warning as this has been ongoing on other threads that you've so willingly contributing to.

If you're unsure of what has happened, please read through this

As far as proof is concerned, please bring forward your links before ridiculing anyone else'.
 
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I like this build.

I'd change the motherboard to a H97 Pro4 though, it's blue too! :D Since you're getting a locked CPU the Z97 chipset is a bit of a waste, currently (unless you're looking to SLI/Xfire or overclock a different CPU in future).

As a side note, titanHUNTER has been doing this for a while, just the next troll in line. A new one pops up every now and then so ignore them OP.
 
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In my experience, the "fanboy" of the thread is usually the one accusing others of being fanboys, trying to discuss off-topic legal issues, and making wild theories about product performance based on something other than reading real-world benchmarks.

No, most of us do not own all of the processors you're listing, but that's not practical for most of us. Benchmarks on respectable sites like this one are what we have to use to get a good idea of how products actually perform. Without that, we would have nothing to go on, as you're demonstrating rather glaringly.

The FX-8350 doesn't seem quite as cheap when you consider that in many games it falls in line with $150 Core i3's, and generally only appears "up to par" with i5's when you're GPU-bound anyway. Admittedly, that happens a lot. But if you try to pretend that an -8350 is comparable to an i7, you're betraying yourself as ill-informed.
 
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Reviews and benchmarks are what help sway a consumer to a product not mere advertising.

Keep on topic and I'll forget you tried picking an argument for no reason and clearly without proof(please read links) suggesting how a CPU should be during gaming.

You've already received a message from my colleagues about your behavior so I'd ask you to tread lightly.
 
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A good point on the H97 (this build looks more expensive, thats price changes for ya):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($72.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Vapor-X Video Card ($642.20 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($85.87 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($85.99 @ Mwave)
Total: $1339.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 
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this guy is extremely wrong even clocked out of its gourd the fx 8350 barely matches an i5 in some games while being blown away in others the weak core of the amd processor does not make great gaming. And to say cpu does not have a huge thing to do with it is a joke and does show the limit of his knowledge.
 
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An overclocked FX8320 or higher would come close in performance to the stock 4690 in games. But the line pretty much ends there for AMD in the top end CPU market.

You're better off with Intel simply because you can upgrade all the way to an i7-4790k years from now if you want more performance.

The AM3+ socket is pretty much done. People with FX series CPUs can only go up to higher bins of the same chip all the way to the 9590. But what's the point?
 
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If you want a good comparison by a totally unbiased website, check out Linus' Tips. Here in a 4 part series, he does extensive comparison testing between the FX-8350 and the i5-3570K. This was before Haswell, but it should still put things in perspective for you.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o
Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs25ZkAS-gY

(Hopefully part 1 will work for you. It produced an error for me)
 
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