2500k w/780 or 4690k w/770

Pultrax · Jul 7, 2014

I'm bout to build a new system especially for gaming and FL Studio 11.
I got 2 options, build one myself for around $1000 or buy my friend's PC, he's selling It, also $1000.

When I'll build It mysel, these are the components I'll be using.
MSI Z97 GAMING 3
Intel Core i5 4690k
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Sharkoon T28 or Corsair 200R
Cooler Master G600
MSI GTX 770
8GB RAM Corsair

If I buy my friend's
ASUS MAXIMUS V FORMULA
Intel Core i5 2500k
Corsair H70 liquid cooler
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Corsair 750D
Cooler Master 1000 Gold
Asus GTX 780
8GB Corsair RAM

I May buy a i5 3570k and replac It with the i5 2500k of this is a good idea. The i5 2500k is now clocked at 4.6GHz

Thanks,

emdea22 · Jul 7, 2014

if you can get it for 900 go for your friends build

Traciatim · Jul 7, 2014

The 3570k doesn't fit in the socket of the 2500k, so you'd have to replace the motherboard anyway. For gaming tasks the 2500k machine would probably perform better thanks to the video card, but for CPU related tasks (like audio compression etc) the 4690k will be faster... so it's really up to you which one would be more important in the long run. Personally I would avoid Coolermaster PSU's since they are kind of hit and miss on good quality, which they've said they are working toward fixing, but until I see a decent review I would play it safe and just buy something that's known good.

titanHUNTER · Jul 7, 2014

The i5-4690k is two generations above your friends chip, with the same make and model, so go with the newer. Build it yourself! You will learn A LOT, the sense of accomplishment is uncanny, and you will know how to upgrade in the future.

RobCrezz · Jul 7, 2014

Traciatim :

Actually the 3570k is the same socket as the 2500k...

Anyway... Get the 2500k machine, the 2500k is still a great CPU, especially with an overclock. combined with the GTX 780 you will get better performance than the other computer.

Amdlova · Jul 7, 2014

i prefer the 2500k with the 780.

geofelt · Jul 7, 2014

It is easier to change out a graphics card than a cpu/motherboard.
Such a change might involve a clean install and oem windows reactivation issues.
I vote for the 4690K and the GTX770.
The graphics is sufficient for most any 1080P gaming.
No doubt using a GTX780 instead would give you better graphics. Since your pal is offering you a used GTX780, look on ebay and you can also get a used GTX780 for something closer to a new GTX770.
Use this list to assess psu quality:
https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true
I would invest up front with a 650w psu from XFX or Seasonic. That will assure you the ability to run a future upgrade as good as a GTX780ti.
Lastly, on your build, see if you can't fit a SSD into your budget for the "C" drive. I will never build again without one. It makes everything so much quicker.
120gb will hold the os and a handful of games. Good enough if you primarily play only a few. 240gb will hold a goodly number perhaps allowing you to defer on the hard drive until you actually need the space.

coolcole01 · Jul 7, 2014

my friend's
ASUS MAXIMUS V FORMULA
Intel Core i5 2500k
Corsair H70 liquid cooler
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Corsair 750D
Cooler Master 1000 Gold
Asus GTX 780
8GB Corsair RAM

this all the way

Traciatim · Jul 7, 2014

RobCrezz :

Whoops, my bad... silly memory thinking the 2500k was 1156.

I still think it really depends on the usage of the machine. If it's primary purpose is gaming then the better video card would be a better choice, but if the primary purpose is digital audio then I think the 4690 would be quite a bit faster there... though if it's all just hobby use then the difference could probably be decided with a coin flip just as easily.

RobCrezz · Jul 7, 2014

Traciatim :

Even then, the difference between a well overclocked sandybridge and a haswell/devils canyon isnt huge as you can usually overclock by around 500mhz higher on sandybridge due to it having a properly soldered heat spreader. Mine is running at 4.7Ghz and only hits 60ish'c prime 95 load, could go higher still if needed.

IMO, the difference between 770 and 780 would be noticeable. The difference between the 2500k and the 4690k would not.

Pultrax · Jul 7, 2014

titanHUNTER :

Thanks, that's a thing.. I can learn a lot from building a system. But this would'nt be my first build. A year ago I built one too, but I wasn't so pleased. #AMD. I also built several systems for family and friends.
Anyways.. I think I'll be going with the 2500k since it's OC'ed and the difference between the 2500k and the 4690k wouldn't really be noticeble.. The 4690k only is about 10-15% faster, right?

Traciatim · Jul 7, 2014

RobCrezz :

Well, sure the 2500k is good enough in most gaming. The 780 would be faster than the 770 for sure. In applications though if you take a look over at the XBit Labs test of the 4670k which has benchmarks for both the 2550k and 4670k (which were both running 3.4/3.8Ghz stock/turbo) you see the 4670k winning by up to 30% in things like x264 encoding or 29% in Premier Pro. So in order to beat your 4.7Ghz you could run the 4670k at 3.8 or so. It overclocks too (especially the 4690k, which should hit 4.2 pretty reliably, and maybe up to 4.5 or so). It also comes with warranty since it would be new. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-4670k-4670-4570-4430_6.html#sect0

Again, I think it comes down to which is more important, the media processing, the gaming, or which side the coin lands. Perhaps this video could help the OP out: http://www.ted.com/talks/ruth_chang_how_to_make_hard_choices

Pultrax :

As I mentioned above, upwards of 30% in some cases. Barely noticeable in others. They are very similar machines but I think the new one would be better at media processing and the better video card in the used one makes it arguable a better gaming rig... would you even notice that at 1080p in most cases though? Who knows.

The machines are so close, I think you'd be pretty happy with them either way you go.

titanHUNTER · Jul 7, 2014

Pultrax :

titanHUNTER :

Thanks, that's a thing.. I can learn a lot from building a system. But this would'nt be my first build. A year ago I built one too, but I wasn't so pleased. #AMD. I also built several systems for family and friends.
Anyways.. I think I'll be going with the 2500k since it's OC'ed and the difference between the 2500k and the 4690k wouldn't really be noticeble.. The 4690k only is about 10-15% faster, right?

What issues did you have with your AMD build? Also what CPU and GPU did you build with?

Pultrax · Jul 7, 2014

titanHUNTER :

Pultrax :

What issues did you have with your AMD build? Also what CPU and GPU did you build with?

I had an AMD FX6300 and added an AMD R9 270X which went tot haven after a few weeks. The screen went black all the time.. That Way I got a bad experience with AMD..

Amdlova · Jul 7, 2014

I prefer 5 times the 2500k than the 3770k same results in games and less heat because the s*it thermal tooth paste

RobCrezz · Jul 8, 2014

Traciatim :

RobCrezz :

Well, sure the 2500k is good enough in most gaming. The 780 would be faster than the 770 for sure. In applications though if you take a look over at the XBit Labs test of the 4670k which has benchmarks for both the 2550k and 4670k (which were both running 3.4/3.8Ghz stock/turbo) you see the 4670k winning by up to 30% in things like x264 encoding or 29% in Premier Pro. So in order to beat your 4.7Ghz you could run the 4670k at 3.8 or so. It overclocks too (especially the 4690k, which should hit 4.2 pretty reliably, and maybe up to 4.5 or so). It also comes with warranty since it would be new. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-4670k-4670-4570-4430_6.html#sect0

Again, I think it comes down to which is more important, the media processing, the gaming, or which side the coin lands. Perhaps this video could help the OP out: http://www.ted.com/talks/ruth_chang_how_to_make_hard_choices

Pultrax :

As I mentioned above, upwards of 30% in some cases. Barely noticeable in others. They are very similar machines but I think the new one would be better at media processing and the better video card in the used one makes it arguable a better gaming rig... would you even notice that at 1080p in most cases though? Who knows.

The machines are so close, I think you'd be pretty happy with them either way you go.

Yeah anything that used AVX or the IGPU will be a good bit quicker than the 2500k, but in general use and games, you will be no where near 30% difference. Plus, if you are doing media decoding/encoding, you can always use the descrite GPU to accellerate it in many apps, which ends up faster than using the CPU in most cases anyway..

FunkyFeatures · Jul 8, 2014

Amdlova :

I hope you meant thermal paste. Toothpaste is possibly very bad for the cpu xD

Well - My opinion - the i5 2500k with 780. My friend has the 2500k, and it works wonderfully in any game and whatever he uses it for. And for 1000$? Its a great deal IMO.
The motherboard is great, ram is good and basically everything is good about the 2500k build.

I think you should buy the 2500k build, and keep it as it is(possibly add a ssd), but everything is great about it. The only thing dragging a little bit down is the cpu, which is still strong, just not stronger than the newer ones, but its overclock makes up for it.

coolcole01 · Jul 8, 2014

haha i did a repair where the guy did put toothpaste on the cpu should have seen my face

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