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July 7, 2014 10:02:52 AM

I am building a new computer with a budget of about $2150 including os and peripherals. The exception is the mouse, since I already have one. This is what I have so far: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/wyvern132/saved/7C848d

cpu: i7-4790K $380

cpu fan: cm hyper 212 evo $30

mobo: Msi Z97 Gaming 5 $143

ram: g. skill sniper 2x4gb 1866 $78

ssd: samsung 840 evo 120gb $86.40

hdd: wd blue 1tb $50

gpu: msi 780 ti twin frozr $684

case: NZXT h440 $110

psu: rosewill capstone 750w 80+ gold $70

os: windows 8.1 $95 @ amazon

monitor: Asus PB278Q $455

keyboard: razer blackwidoe tournament edition $77

total: about $2208

I am a little over budget, but do you think I can wait for the gpu and ssd prices to go down?
Also I am not sure if overclocking is the way to go. I read oc lowers the life of your components and I don't know what performance I will see in gaming. I am thinking getting a i7-4790 instead and using the stock cooler to fit my budget.In this case, would it be worth it to downgrade to a msi z97 or h97 gaming 3 mobo?

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July 7, 2014 10:05:39 AM

Just get a 780 instead of the ti. Not really worth the increased cost.
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July 7, 2014 10:05:57 AM

Looks like a great build.

Honestly in games, don't expect any real gains from overclocking your CPU.
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July 7, 2014 10:06:54 AM

t3nn1spr3p said:
Just get a 780 instead of the ti. Not really worth the increased cost.


No, his monitor is 1440p so he will definitely see a difference between the 2 cards. I strongly disagree with this recommendation.
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July 7, 2014 10:26:42 AM

Nothing wrong with a bit of overclocking, just keep the temps reasonable. It will deteriorate the life of your CPU but that will be years away. By then you will have a new CPU. The parts you picked arent bad, nice case. Maybe upgrade your ram a bit. Had some problems when i ran crysis 3 on 8GB on ultra (just to future proof yourself)
The 780ti is a great card, can defenatly feel the difference between that and the 780 i had, especially at 1440p.
You could get a crappier CPU, but honestly that will last you a while. You can always overclock it and get a better CPU cooler in the future if you need the extra grunt (that is always an option)
Have fun with your build.
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July 7, 2014 10:29:57 AM

wezmilan said:
Nothing wrong with a bit of overclocking, just keep the temps reasonable. It will deteriorate the life of your CPU but that will be years away. By then you will have a new CPU. The parts you picked arent bad, nice case. Maybe upgrade your ram a bit. Had some problems when i ran crysis 3 on 8GB on ultra (just to future proof yourself)
The 780ti is a great card, can defenatly feel the difference between that and the 780 i had, especially at 1440p.
You could get a crappier CPU, but honestly that will last you a while. You can always overclock it and get a better CPU cooler in the future if you need the extra grunt (that is always an option)
Have fun with your build.



That RAM issue was a known memory leak and fixed with a patch. The game actually uses no more than 3-4gb RAM max. 8gb RAM is plenty for any modern game.
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July 7, 2014 11:02:02 AM

Have you looked at the r9 290X? Seeing you want to save money.
Your psu is quite high wattage for a single card (imo should 650 be enough) and not enough for two?
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July 7, 2014 11:13:29 AM

Vic 40 said:
Have you looked at the r9 290X? Seeing you want to save money.
Your psu is quite high wattage for a single card (imo should 650 be enough) and not enough for two?

I thought the psu was enough for 2, but I may be wrong. I got it because it was the same price as the 650w psus I was looking at.

It just occurred to me since my monitor is 1440p, I may need 16 gb of ram for future AAA titles? looking at the same ram priced at $148.5
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July 7, 2014 11:16:41 AM

tiny voices said:
Looks like a great build.

Honestly in games, don't expect any real gains from overclocking your CPU.

So do you think just getting the 4790, using the stock cooler and an msi z97 gaming 3 instead to afford 16 gb ram is worth it?
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July 7, 2014 11:16:44 AM

No, RAM will not matter for higher resolution. 8gb is more than enough.

You really want 850w for SLI gtx780ti's.
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July 7, 2014 11:25:40 AM

tiny voices said:
No, RAM will not matter for higher resolution. 8gb is more than enough.

You really want 850w for SLI gtx780ti's.

Thanks, I appreciate your quick responses. I have one more question:
Is the msi z97 gaming 5 worth the price? If I get the z97 gaming 3 or something similar, would there be a difference besides the fewer usb and pci slots? The gaming 3 should be enough to support everything I have on the build plus a wifi-card and extra gpu (if my psu was adequate) according to: http://us.msi.com/product/mb/Z97_GAMING_3.html#specific...
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July 7, 2014 11:28:44 AM

Gaming 3 does not support SLI, but Gaming 5 does.
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July 7, 2014 11:43:00 AM

I think that overclocking has it's benefits,maybe not now but for the future when the cpu might become the bottleneck (if it will with these cpu's) can it be overclocked and go on for a while.
Since with sli in mind you only would save some money on the cpu would i just go for the 4790K.You could look at the xeon which would save more if not overclocking,you only wouldn't have an igp in that case,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646e31230v3

My psu choice,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg850m
fits your color scheme too.

there are imo also better choices for a cooler in that price range at the moment,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-primes...
or
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...
or
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/enermax-cpu-cooler-etst40t...
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July 7, 2014 11:51:01 AM

tiny voices said:
Gaming 3 does not support SLI, but Gaming 5 does.

ok so this is my build:
cpu: i7-4790 $350

mobo: Msi Z97 Gaming 3 $128

ram: g. skill sniper 2x4gb 1866 $78

ssd: samsung 840 evo 120gb $86.40

hdd: wd blue 1tb $50

gpu: msi 780 ti twin frozr $684

case: NZXT h440 $110

psu: rosewill capstone 750w 80+ gold $70

os: windows 8.1 $95 @ amazon

monitor: Asus PB278Q $455

keyboard: razer blackwidoe tournament edition $77
total: about $2133
I choose these changes because I don't think I will get sli and it seems ocing the cpu is pointless for gaming
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July 7, 2014 11:53:12 AM

Build look good to go! No reason for an i7 really for gaming, but whatever.
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July 7, 2014 11:55:11 AM

Vic 40 said:
I think that overclocking has it's benefits,maybe not now but for the future when the cpu might become the bottleneck (if it will with these cpu's) can it be overclocked and go on for a while.
Since with sli in mind you only would save some money on the cpu would i just go for the 4790K.You could look at the xeon which would save more if not overclocking,you only wouldn't have an igp in that case,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646e31230v3

My psu choice,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg850m
fits your color scheme too.

there are imo also better choices for a cooler in that price range at the moment,
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-cpu-cooler-primes...
or
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...
or
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/enermax-cpu-cooler-etst40t...

I didn't see this b4 my last post. Do you think the cpu will really benefit from oc? Also shouldn't the i7-4790 perform better than the xeon? I don't really know much about xeons and both these cpus are priced the same...
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July 7, 2014 11:57:38 AM

No, the CPU will not really benefit from overclocking right now. In 3 years? yes it probably would.

The Xeon is the SAME EXACT CPU just without the integrated graphics.
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July 7, 2014 12:12:09 PM

tiny voices said:
No, the CPU will not really benefit from overclocking right now. In 3 years? yes it probably would.

The Xeon is the SAME EXACT CPU just without the integrated graphics.

Sounds good! :)  I will get the i7 over xeon for the higher clock speed.
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July 7, 2014 12:14:28 PM

boosbear said:
Vic 40 said:
I think that overclocking has it's benefits,maybe not now but for the future when the cpu might become the bottleneck (if it will with these cpu's) can it be overclocked and go on for a while.

I didn't see this b4 my last post. Do you think the cpu will really benefit from oc?

Like i said,and tiny voices too,not right now,but for the future i think it's worth it.Considering what you save at this moment=~$30.


boosbear said:

Also shouldn't the i7-4790 perform better than the xeon? I don't really know much about xeons and both these cpus are priced the same...

The 4790 is the haswell refresh and in that case does it have slightly higher clocks (+ 300mhz) but that's about the difference.Even these +300mhz don't mean a lot at this moment,again considering what you save=~$55.

Have a look at those other coolers too.Read some reviews.
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July 7, 2014 12:16:45 PM

boosbear said:

Sounds good! :)  I will get the i7 over xeon for the higher clock speed.

Strange logic,the 4790K is also faster than the 4790 at stock speeds=+400mhz.
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July 7, 2014 12:21:10 PM

Vic 40 said:
boosbear said:

Sounds good! :)  I will get the i7 over xeon for the higher clock speed.

Strange logic,the 4790K is also faster than the 4790 at stock speeds=+400mhz.

But I can get the 4790 for $250--the same price as the xeon @ my local microcenter, while I have to spend more money for the k version. I can't seem to find the xeon at my microcenter though...
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July 7, 2014 12:31:22 PM

Vic 40 said:
boosbear said:
Vic 40 said:
I think that overclocking has it's benefits,maybe not now but for the future when the cpu might become the bottleneck (if it will with these cpu's) can it be overclocked and go on for a while.

I didn't see this b4 my last post. Do you think the cpu will really benefit from oc?

Like i said,and tiny voices too,not right now,but for the future i think it's worth it.Considering what you save at this moment=~$30.


boosbear said:

Also shouldn't the i7-4790 perform better than the xeon? I don't really know much about xeons and both these cpus are priced the same...

The 4790 is the haswell refresh and in that case does it have slightly higher clocks (+ 300mhz) but that's about the difference.Even these +300mhz don't mean a lot at this moment,again considering what you save=~$55.

Have a look at those other coolers too.Read some reviews.

I will gladly take the 4970K over the 4970(the xeon doesn't make sense since it cost the same as the 4970) for the extra frequency if it is really going to become a bottleneck. But I was just thinking that game performance is determined mostly by the gpu. So I thought the extra ghz from oc isn't going to make a significant difference (a couple fps is ok). And if the 4690 lasts for about 4 years, I will probably build a new computer while carrying over some parts from this build.
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July 7, 2014 12:32:46 PM

It will not be a bottleneck no matter which you get. The small 400mhz difference will make absolutely no performance difference at all.
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July 7, 2014 12:33:37 PM

Vic 40 said:
boosbear said:
Vic 40 said:
I think that overclocking has it's benefits,maybe not now but for the future when the cpu might become the bottleneck (if it will with these cpu's) can it be overclocked and go on for a while.

I didn't see this b4 my last post. Do you think the cpu will really benefit from oc?

Like i said,and tiny voices too,not right now,but for the future i think it's worth it.Considering what you save at this moment=~$30.


boosbear said:

Also shouldn't the i7-4790 perform better than the xeon? I don't really know much about xeons and both these cpus are priced the same...

The 4790 is the haswell refresh and in that case does it have slightly higher clocks (+ 300mhz) but that's about the difference.Even these +300mhz don't mean a lot at this moment,again considering what you save=~$55.

Have a look at those other coolers too.Read some reviews.

I will gladly take the 4970K over the 4970(the xeon doesn't make sense since it cost the same as the 4970) for the extra frequency if it is really going to become a bottleneck. But I was just thinking that game performance is determined mostly by the gpu. Perhaps the extra ghz from oc isn't going to make a significant difference? (a couple fps is ok). And if the 4690 lasts for about 4 years, I will probably build a new computer while carrying over some parts from this build.
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July 7, 2014 12:34:49 PM

tiny voices said:
It will not be a bottleneck no matter which you get. The small 400mhz difference will make absolutely no performance difference at all.

Thanks and sorry for double post
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July 7, 2014 2:01:52 PM

boosbear said:

(the xeon doesn't make sense since it cost the same as the 4970)

I didn't know that.In that case is the 4790 a good choice.You mentioned the 4690 which will be a good option too.
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July 7, 2014 2:15:29 PM

Vic 40 said:
boosbear said:

(the xeon doesn't make sense since it cost the same as the 4970)

I didn't know that.In that case is the 4790 a good choice.You mentioned the 4690 which will be a good option too.

:)  thanks for all your help, tiny voices too. I messed up on the numbers there though, I meant 4790 not 4970 or 4690.
just btw, do you know anything about amazon not taking amex? It says my card number is incorrect...
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July 8, 2014 1:22:33 PM

boosbear said:
btw, do you know anything about amazon not taking amex?

No i don't,but i'm dutch and haven't used amazon.
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July 14, 2014 12:44:57 PM

As I am trying to install the os, I realize that my bios is not detecting my drives. I don't think I hear the hdd spinning when I turn on the computer and the optical drive's power led does not turn on. I am wondering if this signifies that just the sata cables on my psu are defective? The sata power cables are loose and seem as if they are not plugged in, but they won't go further in. I assumed this was normal while building. But the psu seems to power my mobo and cpu fine, so I wonder if it is the sata ports on the motherboard?
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July 15, 2014 12:19:56 PM

It's hard to say what you mean by "loose".They shouldn't be really loose.
Have you tried a different sata cable from the psu?
The little plastic supports on the ssd/hdd are not broken when attaching the cables?

Maybe you can format the drive in a different pc? Maybe that will help ... ?
Just use the ssd alone first at port 0,only after the os is installed attach the hdd.
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July 15, 2014 6:12:18 PM

Vic 40 said:
It's hard to say what you mean by "loose".They shouldn't be really loose.
Have you tried a different sata cable from the psu?
The little plastic supports on the ssd/hdd are not broken when attaching the cables?

Maybe you can format the drive in a different pc? Maybe that will help ... ?
Just use the ssd alone first at port 0,only after the os is installed attach the hdd.

Thanks, I ended up solving it by finding a thread after a lot of searching.
Basically this person had the same problem and solved it by pounding the sata power cable into the drives with a hammer. From my knowledge of building, I decided using a mallet or hammer of sorts on my computer wouldn't be the best option. After a considerable amount of force, I popped the sata cable in.
I had a little laugh afterward about the cheap sata power cables, I almost I would have to send the motherboard and psu back because I didn't have an external drive to test the psu.
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July 16, 2014 12:51:55 PM

Good thing you solved it on your own and glad you've got more sense than the guy with the hammer.
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