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AMD Assembly: FX 6300 with GPU or A10-7850K without GPU. Which could be more Future Proof?

I plan on assembling my second computer. I am on a budget of 20-25k INR.


Things I need:

1. Processor
2. Motherboard
3. Ram 4 gb
4. Graphics Card
5. PSU



I have been doing a lot of research lately trying to figure out something that best suits my budget.
I use my computer Primarily for Audio recording purposes and for that I use a Focusrite Firewire Saffire PRO 40 DSP. The budget restrain is precisely due to the sound card.:sarcastic: I am not a hardcore gamer as such though at times I spend days playing Skyrim and Fallout.
I do plan to play Thief and Watchdogs in the future.

Software's I use:

Avid Pro Tools
Photoshop CS5
Sony Vegas pro
Reason
FL Studio.


I'm confused between a Build based on FX 6300 with a AMD/ATI HD 7770 or an A10 7850k without a GPU as for now.:??:



PS: i5 based builds are too expensive for me right now.
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    Skyrim and Fallout are both pretty notorious for running poorly on AMD CPUs. If you are willing to spend the money on a 6300 with a 770, why not an i5 with a 760 (or similarly priced video card)? It would make a far better all around machine for audio work with some pretty solid gaming performance.

    The on board on either Intel or AMD will be garbage for games except at maybe 720 at the lowest settings, so I would avoid those like the plague.

    edit: Did you mean an AMD 7770? Still would be FAR better gaming performance over any on board stuff available.
  2. The FX build (AM3+ platform) will offer a better upgrade path in regards to the CPU. On the GPU front, both can be upgraded later. Regarding the FX 6300 option, which GPU are you considering? Not sure what you are referring to with the AMD/ ATI 770...
  3. Traciatim said:
    Did you mean an AMD 7770? Still would be FAR better gaming performance over any on board stuff available.


    ...that was my assumption, but wanted to ask. Either of those FX 6300 build options are better than the APU setup.
  4. sadams04 said:
    Traciatim said:
    Did you mean an AMD 7770? Still would be FAR better gaming performance over any on board stuff available.


    ...that was my assumption, but wanted to ask. Either of those FX 6300 build options are better than the APU setup.


    Yep, the A10 is a fairly weak processor with a decent (for on board) GPU attached. The FX-6300 is a fairly good mid range processor (especially for cost/performance in most media work) which seems to make far more sense for the applications and games listed to go with that and a cheap GPU.
  5. The A10 series is no where near as weak as people claim. Does anyone here have an A10 processor? Because I have the A10-5700, which had GREAT performance (even in math calculations running Monte Carlo Risk Analysis in Excel). So the A10-7850k will blow that out of the water! Also, there is nothing mid-range about a six-core processor.

    And I do not know what "notorious poor performance" the guy above is referring. I have Skyrim with an 8350 and I get just under 100 fps all maxed out settings.

    Now for what you want, Photoshop will use ALL cores available, so the FX-6300 is the easy winner. It also can be easily overclocked to 4ghz. However, you will have to buy a GPU. So based on your budget, just get the FX-6300 with an r7-250. The r7-250 is the GPU that is integrated into the A10-7850k. However, you will have a more powerful processor that you can match up with a better GPU later.
  6. titanHUNTER said:
    The A10 series is no where near as weak as people claim. Does anyone here have an A10 processor? Because I have the A10-5700, which had GREAT performance (even in math calculations running Monte Carlo Risk Analysis in Excel). So the A10-7850k will blow that out of the water! Also, there is nothing mid-range about a six-core processor.

    And I do not know what "notorious poor performance" the guy above is referring. I have Skyrim with an 8350 and I get just under 100 fps all maxed out settings.

    Now for what you want, Photoshop will use ALL cores available, so the FX-6300 is the easy winner. It also can be easily overclocked to 4ghz. However, you will have to buy a GPU. So based on your budget, just get the FX-6300 with an r7-250. The r7-250 is the GPU that is integrated into the A10-7850k. However, you will have a more powerful processor that you can match up with a better GPU later.


    The notoriously poor performance is because AMDs FX line perform poorly for the cost in a vast majority of gaming scenarios, specifically Skyrim. That's because while it has lots of cores they are fairly weak and games generally rely on single thread performance. Also, when you have a mid range price point with a variety of current production processors both above and below it that pretty much places the FX-6300 directly in the 'mid range' description.

    You say Photoshop uses all the cores so the 6300 will be great, but have you actually looked at benchmarks? http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5156/16/amd-a10-7850k-kaveri-review-amds-new-apu-benchmarks-igpu-adobe-photoshop-cs6 . . . Notice how the 6300 can't beat a dual core i3-4330 and the A10 can't even beat the Pentium G2120 which is a couple of generations old now?

    That's because the A10 is kind of a mediocre CPU with a fairly decent on board graphic setup. You also say that the GPU is the same as an R7 250, but when you look at benchmarks the 250 beats it by about 50%... and still isn't even playable at 1080p.

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-40.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-41.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-42.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-43.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-45.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-46.jpg

    The OP would actually probably be better of with a slightly overclocked Pentium G3258 than either of the processors listed and spend more on video card for the gaming. Though I haven't seen many benchmarks of Vegas, Protools, Reason, or FL Studio. In Photoshop, AMD fails big time.
  7. So, you gave me "benchmarks" of the performance, though you never actually used it. I own the processors and am telling you from first hand experience. So you can go with the guy who has a lot of links (though has none tested by himself), or you could go with some real-world experience.
  8. And your links were regarding the integrated graphics. The bar charts are pretty though! SMH lol

    But hey, keep believing whatever is posted on a website in chart format! Let me know how that works out for you in life! LOL
  9. Traciatim said:
    titanHUNTER said:
    The A10 series is no where near as weak as people claim. Does anyone here have an A10 processor? Because I have the A10-5700, which had GREAT performance (even in math calculations running Monte Carlo Risk Analysis in Excel). So the A10-7850k will blow that out of the water! Also, there is nothing mid-range about a six-core processor.

    And I do not know what "notorious poor performance" the guy above is referring. I have Skyrim with an 8350 and I get just under 100 fps all maxed out settings.

    Now for what you want, Photoshop will use ALL cores available, so the FX-6300 is the easy winner. It also can be easily overclocked to 4ghz. However, you will have to buy a GPU. So based on your budget, just get the FX-6300 with an r7-250. The r7-250 is the GPU that is integrated into the A10-7850k. However, you will have a more powerful processor that you can match up with a better GPU later.


    The notoriously poor performance is because AMDs FX line perform poorly for the cost in a vast majority of gaming scenarios, specifically Skyrim. That's because while it has lots of cores they are fairly weak and games generally rely on single thread performance. Also, when you have a mid range price point with a variety of current production processors both above and below it that pretty much places the FX-6300 directly in the 'mid range' description.

    You say Photoshop uses all the cores so the 6300 will be great, but have you actually looked at benchmarks? http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5156/16/amd-a10-7850k-kaveri-review-amds-new-apu-benchmarks-igpu-adobe-photoshop-cs6 . . . Notice how the 6300 can't beat a dual core i3-4330 and the A10 can't even beat the Pentium G2120 which is a couple of generations old now?

    That's because the A10 is kind of a mediocre CPU with a fairly decent on board graphic setup. You also say that the GPU is the same as an R7 250, but when you look at benchmarks the 250 beats it by about 50%... and still isn't even playable at 1080p.

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-40.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-41.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-42.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-43.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-45.jpg

    http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/amd_a10-7850k-46.jpg

    The OP would actually probably be better of with a slightly overclocked Pentium G3258 than either of the processors listed and spend more on video card for the gaming. Though I haven't seen many benchmarks of Vegas, Protools, Reason, or FL Studio. In Photoshop, AMD fails big time.


    Just one question: Have you used any of the A10s in any of the programs where you state it fails "big time"?......If not, then how can you testify that it fails?...A simple question on how you come to your conclusions.
  10. titanHUNTER said:
    So, you gave me "benchmarks" of the performance, though you never actually used it. I own the processors and am telling you from first hand experience. So you can go with the guy who has a lot of links (though has none tested by himself), or you could go with some real-world experience.



    Yes yes, we all know that anecdotes are always to be used in place of facts when both are available.
  11. titanHUNTER said:

    Just one question: Have you used any of the A10s in any of the programs where you state it fails "big time"?......If not, then how can you testify that it fails?...A simple question on how you come to your conclusions.


    Because it's easily verifiable through multiple people testing the equipment from reputable sources. Take your arguments back to the creationist forums.
  12. You know? I think the Keveri chip in your case is the way to go. If your thinking "future proof" the FM2+ socket is pretty much the only one that's alive for AMD. It's my understanding that AM3+ is dead and ended with the 9 series. They won't be producing anymore high end chips for a couple years which is disappointing me a little. I thought their would be more in the FX line up for AM3+ that's why I choose it. Wondering if I shoulda went Intel. "Devils Canyon" looks sweet. Any how the APU will be cheaper in the long run not having to buy GPU and socket is still Alive.
    By the way....You should probably go for more RAM. At least 6 gigs if not 8
  13. For budget gaming, you can go with an Athlon X4 760K FM2 + R7 265. I no longer recommend AM3+ platform because is a dead socket. The FM2/FM2+ platform is better priced and has good new features for budget gaming. I don't know how much is your budget in USD, but let me recommend this build:

    CPU: Athlon X4 760K, 4-core, 3.8GHz base, 4.1GHz Turbo, FM2/FM2+ socket, $90 USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113348

    Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45, FM2/FM2+ socket, 4xDDR3 2133MHz, 2 PCI-E 16x (i guess your sound card is PCI-E), 1 PCI-E 1x, 1 PCI, up to 6 USB3.0, up to 6 USB2.0, $65 USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130747

    RAM: ADATA XPG V1.0 8GB dual-channel kit (2x4GB) 1600MHz, $73 USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211861&ignorebbr=1

    GPU: PowerColor TurboDuo Radeon R7 265, 2GB GDDR5 256-bit, $150 USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131572

    PSU: Antec NeoECO 620C 620W, 80 Plus, Certified, $70 USD
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031&ignorebbr=1

    TOTAL: $448 USD

    With this base platform you'll be good for a good time, it's very capable of FHD gaming mid settings and AMD will continue to support FM2+ socket in the future. I didn't suggest anything else because these parts are the most important.

    Saludos desde México
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