Motherboard or CPU dead?

RageMachinist

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First post so a big Hi! :)

Recently my computer died, just shutdown without warning and never came back up :X It likely overheated, was a really hot day and I didn't notice that the air intake was blocked (long story).

Symptoms:
When I power it on all fans twitch for a split second and then nothing. No beeps, certainly doesn't go into POST.

Tested the PSU - it works.
If I remove the 12V ATX the fans spin, nothing else. No boot, no POST.

Disconnecting drives, removing RAM etc. doesn't change anything.

Tried resetting CMOS via the jumper and shorting out the BIOS battery, still nothing.

I haven't found any threads or guides about these symptoms in particular, but I imagine it must be either the CPU or the motherboard? I'd like to be sure which one is before I decide what to do next :)

By the way neither of these seem damaged, mobo capacitors look intact, there was actually no burning smell or smoke (I can tell :p had that kind of adventure once).

My setup:

MSI 760GM-P33 Mobo
AMD Phenom II x4
2 x 4BG DDR3 1333
Low-end ATI Radeon (can't remember the model, can check later if this makes any difference)

Any help is massively appreciated, thank you in advance for any replies that shed light on the matter!

 

RageMachinist

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I figured this might be the only answer :p Thanks, anyway :) Gonna see if I can get a motherboard to test the CPU, or maybe replace my current one and check back here after the weekend with my precious findings.
 

RageMachinist

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It was the motherboard. CPU and all other elements are just fine.

Replacement arrived today. Pulled the old one out, put the new one in. Fans fired up immediately, got 3 long beeps and a black screen.

Turns out I didn't insert the RAM properly. Fixed that and it runs like a charm. Typing this on the restored machine.

To sum it up, because I hate threads where the OP doesn't return to say how he fixed his problems :)

Symptoms:
- Fans twitch on start but nothing else happens, removing 12V ATX cable allows the fans to start - black screen, no beeps.

Cause:
- Dead motherboard.

Fix:
- Replace motherboard.

Now I'm just wondering if it could be something simpler, like a dead mobo battery or something? I'm really green when it comes to this kind of stuff, first time ever I replaced a motherboard.
 

Eximo

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BIOS battery just maintains/stores user settings and the time. It would boot without a battery.

More likely a bad capacitor or part of the power phases has failed. Or a failure in the PCB causing a minor short to ground through an IC or resistor. This would effectively lower the voltage supplied and cause a logic failure. There are too many things that could have gone wrong to list.

Without a close visual inspection of the exposed components, and knowing what to look for, it can be very difficult to troubleshoot. In the past I've repaired network cards, video cards, and soldered around melted connectors on motherboards. (My favorite was still the modem causing the computer to fail to boot, due to mouse urine on the jack)

Modern cards have so many surface mount components, or sanitized and unlabeled components, and so many board layers that figuring out the circuitry has become insurmountable. Getting ahold of schematics with the appropriate test points and expected results is darn near impossible for anything recent. Sometimes you can get lucky with what they screenprinted onto the board, but that can only tell you general failures. Some fancier video cards and motherboards have a series of LEDs that show a boot sequence and failure modes.