Need more powerful wireless router for apartment

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Living at my girlfriend's apartment for the summer and my signal is quite weak even though router is in the next room. Moving the router is not an option (as it's not my place and would require cabling changes). Currently the router is an ON N150R. I get about -50 signal on any channel in my bedroom, which leads to low speed and outages. I bought a TPLINK WR940N thinking it would help but I get the exact same -50 signal.

Would a more powerful router help? Any recommendations in the $25-75 range? Or is it more likely properties of the apartment/my laptop/etc.?
 
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-50db is a good signal strength. The problem does not seem to be with low signal strength but most likely with interference. It looks like you are using the 2.4Ghz wireless band. On this band there are really only three non-overlapping channels. These are 1,6 and 11. You should always be using one of these channels and not any others as all the others overlap. Out of those three, channels 1 and 11 are most likely to have the least interference. The problem is that in a place like an apartment where the population density is high and many people have wireless, you end up with many people using the same channel. You can use an app like Wifi Analyzer that will show you all the networks around you and which channel (1,6, or 11) would be best to use. Also make sure your router is set to 20Mhz channel width on the 2.4gGhz band.
My recommendation, if possible, would be to get a router that also supports the 5Ghz band. This band has many more channels to use. But this would only be helpful if your devices can also use the 5Ghz band.
Here is a little analogy about Wifi and the problems with few channels in a highly populated area:
Think of wireless Ethernet like a CB radio (or walkie-talkie). Only one person can talk at a time and you can only talk or listen at one time but not both. That is exactly how wireless network radios work. So if you have 5 devices in your house using your wireless that is like having 5 people using CB radio's together. Only one person can talk at a time. Lets say your neighbors also use CB radios. Lets say they use the same channel as your CB radio's. Lets say they also have 5 people talking. Now you can only talk when the other 9 people are not talking. This is how you get interference from your neighbors on WIFI networks if they are on the same channel. Now your Wifi is encrypted so your neighbors can't get your data. So for the CB analogy, lets say your neighbors use a language you cannot understand and you use one they can't understand. So your conversations are still private but you have to share CB airtime with them because they are on the same channel.
 

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Well, I understand that, but when I put my computer in the living room I get -34 or so and have good data (10MB/s). When it's in the bedroom and I have -50 I get very spotty data (inconsistent 1-2 MB/s).
 
Ok but -50 is good enough on almost all routers to get the maximum speed. So -34 or -50 should not make a difference. The router should be able to transmit at max speed. Most likely you are getting less interference in your living room and that is why you get better throughput. The best thing to do is download a Wifi Analyzer app. Then you can see if your getting more interference in the bedroom. The analyzer should not only show you all the other wifi signals going on but it should show you their signal strength also. In fact getting a more powerful router could possibly slow you down more. This is because many routers can adjust their output for best efficiency. If your router is very strong (loud) it will force other Wifi routers around you to also start transmitting louder which can cause you even more interference.
In my house my 2.4Ghz signal in my den is -54. I have moderate interference as I can see about 4 other Wifi signals on my channel (now they are fairly weak), but my throughput stays around 26Mbit/s. This throughput stays the same even if I move into the room with the router. If I had less interference I should be able to get close to 40Mbit/s.
 
The signal levels mean very little when you also have strong interfering signals. If you were to take 2 radios and play them on different stations and turn them both up very loud you would be able to hear both but neither would sound good because you are still hearing both stations. To continue this example if you were to stand closer to one radio you would hear it better but you could still hear the other radio. This is why your devices work better closer to the router.

You can't really fix this problem other than to try to avoid your neighbors by using different channels or bands. The only true solution is to move far way from everyone else. They do make some new paint coatings that have metal in them to block signals but in a apartment that is not likely a option.
 

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That makes sense. But doesn't it follow that I can fix it by just buying a super powerful router that will be way louder than everyone else?

 


In theory it may be possible but there are two problems. One problem is how well your device can ignore competing signals that are present but not as powerful. All equipment is different but most experts seem to agree that if your signal is 30db greater than a competing signal, your router and devices may be able to mostly ignore it. So to get a router "loud" enough, you would need to see what the loudest competing signal is and then hope you can get at least 30db better. Now even if that was possible, the largest obstacle is that the government limits the max output Wifi radios can have. Most ship with the ability to put out the max if they need to. So in other words most WAP's and Wifi routers will be the same as far as transmit power. There are small differences in antenna design and the software that controls signal rejection and such, but they are mostly alike for the same technology (wireless G, N, AC, etc). Then even if you could get one more powerful, that is only half of the signal path. The other half of the signal path is from your device back to the router. So unless you somehow turn the power up on your device, it still won't help the speed. Here is an example I see over and over:
I get many questions about Wifi outdoors. In fact there was one on this forum recently where someone was getting a good signal level at 300 yards but his handheld device could not get anything over Wifi. This is a classic example of a powerful Wifi signal from the AP to his device, but the device does not have the power to send the signal back at the same level. In fact his device was not powerful enough to get a useful signal back at all and thus he could not communicate over Wifi.
 
Solution
Not legally. The transmission power is regulated by the government and all router generally transmit at the legal maximum. There are some you can directly import from china that can transmit over the limit. Still this is only have the problem, you would need large transmitters on your end equipment also since the router need to hear their signal. In most cases the router not detecting the end device is the much more common issue
 


lol scary how much we think alike!