Had to scrap last build, input on this new mATX build?

Kirodawg

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I already made a post a few weeks ago with a planned build I was to make, but I had to scrap it.

I have a new build here and just want to see if everything is right with the parts and case, and if I can improve on it or a part I have sucks.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/vPmkWZ

Also had one huge question, Is it better for me to drop the i7 CPU to a i5 CPU(Something like the i5 4570) and spend that money on a better GPU(like a EVGA 780 SC)? This PC will be used for gaming(like Elder Scrolls Online and a few Steam games, as well as general multitasking on the internet with lots of tabs and videos playing etc.

Thanks guys!

 

M0j0jojo

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Definitely agree with other people, you are spending too much money on stuff that will not help performance.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($131.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.97 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master JetFlo 95.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Cooler Master JetFlo 95.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1415.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 
The 4670k was an reasonable choice over the 4770k as ya saved $100 and gave up just 0.1 Ghz.

But with the 4690k being a 3.5 / 3.9GHz and the 4790k being a 4.0 / 4.4 GHz CPU it' a different ballgame. That's a 14% difference at base speed rather than 3% with the old CPUs.

If ya look at it from the usual standpoint, not very attractive ...14% performance for a 42% increase in CPU cost. But this just seems silly. Is it your CPU that will go faster or your whole box that goes faster ? So on a $1200 build, is it worth it to go 14% faster for a 8.5%, very different way to look at things. Still if it came down to

4690K ($240) = MSI 780 Ti ($600) = $840
4790K ($340) = MSI 780 ($450) = $790

I immediately wanna say id take the $790 option if I had to ..... but methinks I'd more likely wait a bit and get the $940 option :) ....

I'd lose the H80 and get a Phanteks PH-TC14-PE air cooler quieter and same temps and saves $30. It will also give ya 7 - 10C better temps than a Hyper 212.

The 780 EVGA Classified is the top card but most reviews put the the SC is the "bottom of the barrel" . Since that review MSI retooled and their card is much faster and much cooler then the Asus which was No. 1 in that review.
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4639/10/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-asus-vs-evga-vs-inno3d-vs-msi-conclusion

Id take the MSI 780 and 4690k if it was a gaming box for +$20 ...so we still $10 ahead over your build with the 770

Id get a PSU capable of doing SLI in future. The EVGA 850 is just $15 more ...but the XFX is $15 cheaper......so if we go that way, we $25 less than from your build

$95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
$120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151108
$120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018

I was gonna change the MoBo and case but ya seems set on a micro ITX build.

If ya willing to go bigger case, the Corsair is again at a ridiculous price of $88 after 10% off w/ promo code GACASETEN, ends 7/23 and $20 MIR ..... that's another $72 saves + $25 you now saved $97
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139010

Id then substitute this combo and upgrade you to the Z97 GD65 w/ the same GSkill memory for just $3 extra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1734248

net savings $94 .....

But the $48 worth of extra fans now become unnecessary in the 500R so our total savings is $142 which leaves ya just $8 short of a MSI 780 Ti
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127770

here's what i say about that .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk
 

Kirodawg

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First, thanks for the replies guys!

So judging by the responses, going i5 instead of i7 and getting a 780 is more beneficial I take it?

Also aesthetics are very important to me(more so than most others), so I am pretty set on that case(Silverstone FT03,due to sleekness and space saving).

That is why I thought going with a AIO liquid cooling would serve better than air due to the way that case is designed, with the stack directional airflow etc? Also was why I got the SP120 fans in there, for the h80, to replace the gray ones it comes with and then use those to replace the silverstone supplied fans. Would an air cooler still be better/quieter in that type of case?

Same goes for the GPU(whether it be 770 or 780),that the "blower" style GPUs would be better in that case, so thats why I am trying to stick to those type of gpu coolers, unless if someone knows that it would not make a difference(I have no solid clue).

Also for the PSU, the one I choose is wrong on the link I gave, its the same PSU but its the newer version without the handle and its only $79(with a $20 MIR so $59 if rebate goes through). Not sure if I am going to SLI in the future but thought the 650watt psu would do me well for awhile since it saves a few bucks. As long as its modular and decent value.
 
i7 to i5 is no loss. 7770 to 780 is a gain.

Air coolers are generally quieter than water coolers.

All custom coler graphics cards have ample cooling. Some better than others. For the 780 I like Asus. Jack says MSI is now better. For a R9 290, I like Gigabyte (good price) but others like Sapphire

Silverstone power supplies are not as good quality as Seasonic, XFX, EVGA Supernova or Antec HCG per http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html That's why we are recommending them.
 

M0j0jojo

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You are spending way too much on the Case

Changed the case to a cheaper one and got a fully modular PSU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek Dark Knight II SD1283 89.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($45.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($159.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($88.97 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Superclocked Video Card ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 350D Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($123.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Cooler Master JetFlo 95.0 CFM 120mm Fan ($16.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1484.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 


Depends.....

The 4770k over the 4670k gives ya 3 % (stock) - 6 % (OC'd) performance improvement for a 6.7% increase in cost on your $1500 box.

OTOH, the 4790k (4.0 Ghz) gives you a 14% performance improvement at stock (can't tell ya at OC as little experience as yet) over the 4690k (3.5 GHz) for the same 6.7% cost increase.

The blower style card is costing you an extra $50 for less speed and way more noise. I would find the AIO cooler and the blower style GFX card to be way to loud for me to sit at the puter under load very long. That $50 savings would put you half way to a 780 Ti. A more roomy case that would let the cooler and GFX card breathe a little would supply the other $50. I find those micro cases, while convenient of ya move them a lot, significantly limit OC's on both GFX and CPU.

Changing the fans for quieter ones on the AIO generally puts you at a thermal performance level less than a $25 Hyper 212.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/power-supplies-psu,8016.html

The only time I buy full modular is when I am going to re-sleeve all the cables. Hybrid modular, where the absolutely necessary cables are hard wired (thereby increasing efficiency, eliminating potential failure points, reducing cost) and only cables that you might not use, is a superior solution. You can't put together a build w/o a 24 pin cable, PCI-E cable, SATA cable and EPS cable, so what is the advantage them having it modular ?