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July 11, 2014 4:12:29 PM

Hi

I'm new to whole the gaming-building thing. First off; BF4, FIFA 14 and 15 SOON, CS 1.6, CS:GO are the games I'd like to play

My needs are to play 90 fps average on bf4 1080P on ultra

I searched a lot myself and found out Intel VS AMD, Intel is a bit more expensive but you get less stutter and a little less problems but AMD gives a extraordinary price/performance, MANTLE makes it only better!!.

First I looked into the gtx's cards of intel but than the R9 290 and R9 290X took my attention since they're less expensive in my area.

I can get them litteraly for almost half the price of a GTX 780, so they're more in my catch of sight.

The cheapest one I found is the R9 290 Tri-X 4GB OC, I first wanted to go for this one but than I found a youtube video that a bit dissapointed me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE66cR8DOZo

Because a normal R9 290 video I looked amazed me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQlLeyIur0 (Look around 9:03) This R9 290 performed better than a factory OC.. which I find really weird..

Than there is the R9 290X Tri-X 4Gb video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHFZSNic4s

This last one really amazed me, it gives a 780TI performance. But it'll cost me 200 bucks more than the R9 290 Tri-X and I could get a gtx for that price..

So, I really take you guys suggestions really serious. You guys need to help me out here, other suggestions are always welcome
But please stay objectif, however I would like a GTX card, I can not dissrespect an AMD card.

My CPU will be a 4770K I think, Mobo is unknown (will be something midrange that easily can handle overclocking)

Maybe a question someone can answer: If I bought the R9 290 Tri-X 4GB OC, can I reach the performance from a R9 290X Tri-X 4GB OC like on the last video? :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKHFZSNic4s

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July 11, 2014 4:58:16 PM

Before looking at these cards you have to recognize the huge shift that has occurred in what we are seeing from cards "outta the box". In recent years we have been able to manage a 10% to 25 or even 30% manual overclock once w take cards out of the box. The reference here is the stock or reference speed. A card may be factory OC'd say 8% and when you add another 12% on top of that, that's what I refer to as a 20% OC.

The R9 series changed all that. These cards are very aggressively clocked. While on one hand this is a good thing, as you are guaranteed that the card will run at this speed. OTOH, many are disappointed that when they manually overclock, you don't get the thrill of taking it much further. I typically get 20 - 25% OC's on the 7xx cards, not quite as high as some older 5xx series cards which have done 30%. My luck on the R9's has been less so with OC's ranging from 7% to 16%.

As such, in my experience......the cards sit as follows:

780 Ti OC
780 TI / 780 OC
290X OC
290X

This is echoed on many review sites such as Linus where they test all cards "Bawlz to the Wall".

So when comparing the cards, whether they are reference speed, factory overclocked, manually overclocked (and how far), water or air cooled all come into play. Resolution also plays a key factor .... in general the R9's do betetr at higher resolutions, but even here we see anomalies.

The 290x gets 92 fps on BF4 at 1920 x 1080, edging out the reference 780 Ti's 87 but at 2560 x 1440, the 780 Ti edges the 290x 64 to 59. Again, keep in mind, you will have a bit more overclocking headroom on the 780 Ti than on the 290x.

Prices had pretty much settled with reasonable price differences associated with the difference in performance. MSI threw a monkey wrench into the mix with their $599 780 Ti

But the 290x has dropped yet again and can be found hovering about $500 .... if it's even cheaper where you live, this should make the decision easier. With the $500 290x's and the best rated (9.9 at techpowerup) 780 Ti at $600, those $670 and $700 780 Ti's make no sense whatsoever.

In short, it's hard to say either one is a bad choice. I generally recommend the 780 Ti to users if they got the dough ..... the 780 if they comfy with manual OC'ing and the 290/290x if they more of a plug and play kinda guy. What I do find quite baffling is that just about the same amount of 780 Tis have been sold (0.43% of market) as all R9 cards combined (0.44%).

As for the CPU, I don't see the 4770k ..... the 3.4 GHz 4670k / 3.5 Ghz 4770k presented quite a quandry for gamers on whether to spend the extra $100 since games don't benefit from hyperthreading. However, now with the 4690k at 3.5 Ghz and the 4790k at 4.0 Ghz I'd find it harder not to get the 4790k ....14% (13% on turbo) performance improvement for 9% more money on a $1200 box.
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July 11, 2014 6:53:46 PM

Thanks for the suggestion but it didn't make it easier for me to choose for one or the other gpu =D

So you say the 4670K would just do fine? I was thinking of an 4770K because of future games, I've red alot about games using hyperthreading so that why I chose that.

If I choose for a 4670k could I combine it with any gpu the coming couple years. Or will I get bottlenecked in 2-3 years?


Other suggestions are welcome guys. Anyone that has these cards that want to say something?
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July 11, 2014 7:04:22 PM

Emiin said:
Thanks for the suggestion but it didn't make it easier for me to choose for one or the other gpu =D


Did ya read the part about .....

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I generally recommend the 780 Ti to users if they got the dough ..... the 780 if they comfy with manual OC'ing and the 290/290x if they more of a plug and play kinda guy.


Buy the best card you can afford. If you comfy overclocking ....

1. 780 Ti OC
2. 780 OC
3. 290X OC
4. 290 OC

or if not overclocking ....

1. 780 Ti
2. 290X
3. 780 / 290

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So you say the 4670K would just do fine? I was thinking of an 4770K because of future games, I've red alot about games using hyperthreading so that why I chose that.


No, I wouldn't buy a 4670k / 4770k today .... like buying a 2014 model car after the 2015 models come out and paying the same price. I'd buy the 4790k . I just noted that it was easier to justify a 4670k cause of the small performance difference (0.1 Ghz) on gaming boxes. Today the 4790k id 0.5 GHz faster than the 4690k so there's more incentive to spring for the extra $100




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July 12, 2014 11:10:07 PM

Ok.. It'll be a gtx 780
But I'm having a dillema about which one..
Asus, evga or inno3d
The last one has the best cooling and crushes every other 780 out of the box because it's high overclock. It almost has titan performance.. And it's a lot cheaper than the evga one. While the asus is the 2nd cheapest. But I don't plan on overclockking manually.

Which one would you guys prefer and why?
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July 13, 2014 3:35:30 PM

Anyone?
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July 14, 2014 3:15:10 PM

They wrote this review just for that question :) 

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/4639/10/nvidia-geforce-...

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All four manufacturers - ASUS, EVGA, Inno3D and MSI - made something special out of their GeForce GTX 780. The card that impressed us the most, however, was the ASUS GTX780-DC2OC-3GD5. The new cooler works like charm, and its performance is clearly reflected by the test results. The card also manages to stay very quiet and offers the best overclocking potential thanks to the new cooler. ASUS earns the Gold Award for its card.

We can't leave out the card from MSI. While it's slightly less overclocked and has less overall overclocking potential than the cards from Inno3D and EVGA, it's extremely quiet under load, the most silent of them all. It's also significantly cheaper than the other three, so if you're not planning on extreme overclocking, this MSI card is the best option.

An honorable mention goes to the Inno3D card. Out of the box it's the fastest, and while you can yourself get the other cards to the same level of performance, it's nice to have it guaranteed if you're not an experienced overclocker.

The EVGA ACX Superclocked also isn't a bad card. The only problem is that about the same amount of money will net you the ASUS card, a card which is superior in terms of cooling, noise and overclocking potential. EVGA will have to drop its prices to MSI levels to keep its card interesting.


Outta the box is immaterial if you are overclocking. From the review above:

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The Inno3D comes the most overclocked out of the box, but the full overclocking potential isn't as high as with ASUS and EVGA.


It must be noted that since this review, MSI re-released their card with a higher clock (954 MHz) . The MSI OCs very well now and runs the quietest.....its also the cheapest ..... under water tho, I like the Asus which on air is a bit louder.
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