£1300 GBP Complete Gaming System Build

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Hi all

I've read bits of various guides and frankly I'm lost. I don't mind coming in under budget if the money isn't needed. Any help will be very gratefully received.

Approximate Purchase Date: Within 3 weeks.

Budget Range: £1300 After Rebates and After Shipping

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, home admin

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Case, PSU, mobo, CPU, 32GB RAM, Graphics card, Cooling, 1 x 1TB SATA HDD, 1 x 3TB HDD

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: dabs.com (happy to use other sites)

Location: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom

Parts Preferences: Intel Core i5-4790K Haswell
(or if a better option / better for future Intel Core i7-4930K Sandy Bridge-E)
Graphics Geforce GTX 780Ti (1 or 2 cards)

Overclocking: Initially no, later maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Quiet and cool please. Home with cats, so something that protects from hair. Play all sorts of games, want to get great performance for the Crysis / Bioshock / Deus Ex series’ and the upcoming Batman Arkham Knight.

Why Are You Upgrading: I’m currently running Windows Vista 32bit on a Crosshair 2 motherboard and 4GB RAM. It’s time for a step to a modern system with real gaming power. Touch screen helpful for grandson.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Julian
 
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"Any help will be very gratefully received."

This is the most courteous thing I have even read on any forum in a decade. Anyway, let's get to solving your issue.

Taking into consideration your needs here's how I'd prioritize the CPU i5 -3570K > i5 - 4790K > i7 - 4930K

The reason being that 4th generation Haswell offers higher theoretical performance which, in real world, translates to a marginal 'perceived' improvement which you are never going to benefit from. Clock for clock and 4th generation chip is 6% more powerful than a 3rd generation one, which adds a net total of 250 MHz extra power to your system. The most processing intensive entity on your list (gaming) doesn't use that much power and CPU is almost never a bottleneck in...
you can start from this build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£245.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.25 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£107.94 @ Aria PC)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory (£128.81 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.04 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.18 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB DirectCU II Video Card (£515.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.74 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: SeaSonic EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£63.74 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£36.00 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1297.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 

firstrig

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"Any help will be very gratefully received."

This is the most courteous thing I have even read on any forum in a decade. Anyway, let's get to solving your issue.

Taking into consideration your needs here's how I'd prioritize the CPU i5 -3570K > i5 - 4790K > i7 - 4930K

The reason being that 4th generation Haswell offers higher theoretical performance which, in real world, translates to a marginal 'perceived' improvement which you are never going to benefit from. Clock for clock and 4th generation chip is 6% more powerful than a 3rd generation one, which adds a net total of 250 MHz extra power to your system. The most processing intensive entity on your list (gaming) doesn't use that much power and CPU is almost never a bottleneck in any gaming rig. In fact, there are very few games that are capable enough to use the quad core processor. Most are optimized only to use two cores. So the 'on paper' benefit that a 4th gen processor has over a 3rd gen never translates into any real world advantage, not to mention the extra cost.

On the contrary Haswell brings its own negative aspects to the mix and has a net negative impact. Like higher operating temperatures and lower overclocking potential. The 4th gen chips also have superior onboard graphics compared to 3rd gen, again, a feature which is redundant to you given that your dedicated GPU will bypass it, but you will still end up paying a premium for it anyway. Basically, a 4th gen chip costs you more and brings no value to the table. They are more suited for Laptops and portable devices. The 3rd gen chips also overclock better than the 4th gen chips and are more sturdy (resilient) in the face of high operating temperatures.

It's the same thing with i7. It is relatively more powerful but adds no practical value to your setup since it is unlikely that your system will ever stretch to its limits to ever use it. My verdict : go with the i5 - 3570K. It's a good combination of power, stability and value. Beyond a certain point, the law of diminishing returns kicks in and a cutting edge CPU means nothing more than a higher price/performance ratio. The i7 is recommended for people who work with applications which rely on raw power and have the capacity to leverage multicore technology, like Photoshop and 3D modeling engineers, animation specialists. 'Better future compatibility' is a farce to scare people into buying things they don't need.

More often than not (read : always) the GPU is the bottleneck in a gaming PC. Allocate a higher % of your budget to this. A one piece GPU is preferred over dual GPU SLI for compatibility reasons and especially for your 'quiet and cool' requirement. Some games that are incompatible with SLI end up giving poorer performance than a single card setup.

Cooling and noise : Go for a custom water cooling loop. This will reduce the number of intake fans and as a result keep your system from sucking in less air and consequently, less cat hair. It will also be cooler than the average air cooled PC.

Hard disk : Opt for a (256 GB SSD for OS and games + 2 TB Mechanical Hard disk combo) instead of a single 3TB HDD. The former makes the system faster in general and games load faster.

The 32 GB ram is an overkill if you aren't going to be creating a RAMDisk system or leveraging a quad channel RAM. 1866 (8GB X 2) dual channel RAM works best for you.

Case : I think, your interests will be better served if you mod the case instead of using a high end ready-made case. Use a bare bones roomy case as a template and build on it. Add a custom water loop, add rubber grommet mounts to fan mounts. OR you can commission a carpenter and build the PC inside the desk. This will keep the system constantly elevated, hence less cat hair, and it will also provide a good sound buffer. Check these

http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/3nov6.jpg

http://www.sweclockers.com/image/red/2013/08/26/Redharbringer_0007_Layer+3.jpg?t=original&k=c329a166
 
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Juey

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Thanks for your help, both firstrig and AMD Radeon. A new world of questions has now opened up to me though, so I'd be really grateful if you could please help again.

I'd be happy to go with the i5 -3570K CPU with 16GB RAM. Having had a look at this, it's a socket 1155 which would run the Intel Z77 chipset. The memory runs a little slower and I'm not sure it supports higher than 1600MHz (getting lost here again), but I'm thinking I wouldn't really notice this - is that right? I also want to run Windows 8.1 for the touchscreen for my grandson :) Any problems there?

The other question is the best ASUS gaming motherboard to go with this setup and the single Geforce GTX 780Ti graphics card. I guess the other issues, like the exact cooling package and case, can then flow on from what basic components I use. I should be able to put something together from your advice. I loved the pics of the carpentry solutions as well, thanks. I may go that way in addition to my build efforts.

Thanks for taking the time for the help so far.

Best wishes
Julian
 

firstrig

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Gen 3 has its memory speed threshold at 1600, but anything above 1333Mhz is still an overkill. GTX 780ti is a beast of a card; You wont have any problems with games of Windows 8 at all. To give you an idea of the overkill margin, let me draw your attention to the recently released Intel G3258 chip aimed towards the budget gamer, it's dual core and even that doesn't stop it from running all modern games at fantastic framerates. This is because as far as gaming applications are concerned, your GPU acts as the de facto power house so your CPU will almost never bottleneck your system.

As for the mother board, any Z77 chipset board would do just fine. Motherboards from all popular brands are equally good. Try and avoid the gimmicky 'gaming motherboards' which tend to be exceptionally overpriced. Invest in getting a good sound card + 5.1 speaker setup to experience the immersive sounds that modern games produce.

Something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 will serve your needs well. ~130$

As for the liquid cooling, here's the detailed guide :

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky
 

Juey

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Thanks again to you both for your help. I've now moved along a long way in my choices. I think for the money the 3rd generation with decent graphics card route is the right choice. So I now have:

Corsair Carbide 200R Compact USB 3.0 ATX PC Case - CC-9011023-WW http://www.awd-it.co.uk/corsair-carbide-200r-compact-atx-pc-case-cc-9011023-ww.html?gclid=COu5s7nkx78CFWjJtAodBQYA2g
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS http://
Intel Core i5-3570 S1155 3.4GHz 6MB http://
G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBSR1
9-9-9-24 timings, dual channel http://
System Disk - Crucial M550 CT256M550SSD3 mSATA 256GB SATA 6Gb/s MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) http://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-256gb-m550-msata-solid-state-drive-9CHN.html
Storage Disk - Seagate 3TB Barracuda SATA 6GB/s 64MB 7200RPM 3.5" Hard Drive http://
Asus GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB PCI-Express 3.0 HDMI DirectCU II OC http://
Corsair 1000W RM1000 RM Series Power Supply (Overkill, but putting in some deliberate latency) http://
Monitor - Acer T232HL http://

I've had a brief look at the water cooling thread, but I think I need water cooling to my head to make me understand. I was rubbish at maths and science at school, and once I get to TDP & Calculating Delta-T I just lose it. However, I will return to it afresh.

Any comments on the above spec would be very helpful and, once again, very much appreciated.

Best wishes
Julian
 
If you want custom water cooling setup, you want a bigger case than a Corsair 200R. If you want a AIO water cpu cooler then make sure you check compatibility the case for spacing issues.
Generally having more fans will be more quieter than less fans. If you have more fans, you can pull/push the same quantity of air at a lower RPM hence a quieter fan speed for the same cooling performance. If you have less fans, to get to the same cooling performance then you need to increase your fan speed. This is true if you control your fans' speeds. Of course there will be a point where adding more fans will give you no benefit, it will depend on the case you choose.
Also you may want a case where the front panels and power button is not on the top incase your cats jumps on top of your case and turns on/off your pc.
 

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Your specs are perfect. If custom water cooling seems intimidating then you can buy ready-made closed loop liquid cooling kits. These are simple plug and play units and don't need any calculation or maintenance whatsoever. However, the golden rule is 'the cheapest air cooled pc will always outperform a cheap liquid cooled pc and an expensive liquid cooled pc will always outperform the costliest air cooled pc'. Liquid cooling is one of those things which outshine every other alternative by a large margin but only after a certain threshold of investment. Just like buying a sports car.

Take a look at closed looped systems that are popular among enthusiasts these days :

NZXT Kraken X60, or Corsair Hydro H100i, or Swiftech H220.

Also, if you find a (single pair) 8GB X2 RAM kit instead of a (double pair) 4GB X4 kit, that'd be great. This is secondary to the fact that your usage pattern will rarely necessitate the use of more than 6GB RAM and a 4GB X2 kit will be more than enough. Games use very little RAM by themselves. Even the most demanding games don't use beyond ~3GB RAM, add ~2GB for your OS and your system will never need more than 8GB RAM. In a gaming application, the graphics card takes up the responsibility of the heavy lifting and acts as a high speed de facto RAM in itself.

2 sticks for dual channel can be up to 50% better than 1 stick in single channel but 4 sticks of ram in quad channel (which your setup doesn't support) are only 2-4% better than 2 sticks in dual channel. For a 2% theoretical increment in speed the tradeoff is quite hefty given that more sticks will generate more heat, they will also consume more space and obstruct air flow and make the case less roomy and hamper ventilation. To add to it, if you use liquid cooling, which requires less fans than a typical air cooled system, the problem will only get compounded. It will create 'heat eddys', they are the analogous thermal equivalents of dust bunnies characterized by the formation mini hot pockets within your PC chamber due to an obstructed ventilation.

I have never been a fan of touch screens so I can't comment upon that. All I can say is that for the beast of a system that you are building, the screen doesn't do justice to it. After all, the screen is where the glory of that fantastic processing power of the PC will be ultimately showcased. The last thing you'd want is for the monitor to bottleneck it, because it will be like buying a Ferrari and using it exclusively to make trips to the local grocery. I'd go for at least 1440p monitor. Something like the ASUS PB278Q will serve you well. It's an IPS panel with low input lag and widest color gamut in that range.
 

Juey

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Thanks very much for the extra help firstrig.

I'm going with the NZXT Kraken X60 kit for the water cooling and swapping to 8GB X2 RAM GSkill dual channel. Unfortunately that gorgeous ASUS PB278Q isn't touchscreen, so I'm looking at the Acer T272HUL 27" LED LCD.

Going shopping for quotes tomorrow and should have the system (either self-build or shop built) in a couple of weeks time.

Thanks so much for the help, I can't wait to get going with it.
 

firstrig

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You're welcome.

I recommend self-building it instead of getting it shop built. Not only is it easy, but it will also give you the confidence to tweak it later otherwise you'll feel intimidated to open and fix something if there are snags in the future and you will have to rely on the shop guy for future mods. It doesn't take more than 15 minutes of actual assembly work excluding the unboxing time. Just screw the motherboard to the case and start putting your parts in. This tutorial makes for a good reference : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsyxM_j3Y4U

Final touches :

Throw in a 10$ HDMI cable in case you want to enjoy all that HD content on your large screen home TV.

If your case comes with fan slots that aren't populated with fans, make sure to add your own fans.

If there are fan intakes that don't come with air filters, throw in an air filter mesh and cover them up, but don't leave them open by any chance. This will keep dust and cat hair from entering your case. Again, there are a lot of fancy air filter 'kits' that are pricey and equally pompous. Some of them come with magnetic spots to latch on to your metallic case. It's all a waste of money, plus magnets have a bad influence on computer circuits, plus the cat or a kid can easily pull it off. Just get a regular air conditioner filter sheet (~8$) from any hardware store and trim out suitably sized patches to fit your fan vents. This allows you to secure it to the fan with a screw. Always filter intake vents, never cover exhaust vents.

During your first boot in the BIOS select AHCI mode for your hard disks.

Once your PC is up and running, calibrate your monitor using a free online color calibration tool or download a custom ICC profile from TFTcentral (free). This will give you more accurate color reproduction as opposed to factory defaults which tend to be off the mark.

Done.