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A general collection of anything known or theorized for the future of Desktops mostly. This could be long winded, and result in plenty of conjecture, and some unfortunate trolling, so please support any ideas or information with some form of evidence.
Why am I making this topic?
I am looking towards the future, and wanting to, like everyone else, make a semi future proof rig. Though with that, comes some need of what is currently being tossed around in the www. My future build should be in my sig so if anyone wants to pick at it for these thoughts, that is fine.
DDR4: The starting mhz for it is 2133. I have seen it will be labeled as PC4-17066. So far, supposedly 8gb ones have already shown up, which seems low to me given they are starting to go with 16gb for workstations or servers.
Kingston even showed 12-16gb modules (192gb total), making me wonder why start at 8? Another odd thing that I saw was on the Motherboard, their were 4 empty spaces for memory. Is 192 or 96 going to be a new max?
I don't see why it wouldn't be that long for desktops to be using 16gb or 32gb, most certainly at the start 16gb one would think. Though, 8gb seems to be the standard showing/statement.
DDR4 on shelves
192gb kingston
kingston vid
A stretch translation using microsoft for the site below. DDR5 for circa 2021. Everything else in that site is a beyond some of my understanding. The currently sold PC4-17066 is unknown if for servers or desktops from what I can see. If anyone can pick through it to identify if the information is correct (at least on the ddr3 stuff for authenticity of any other info) please. The memory module info I have seen displayed in other places as well, so it seems legit.
Translated Site
GDDR6: Supposedly going to be coming out sometime this year. Speculation that it will be in the 800 series GPU from nvidia. Size? Well, my understanding of GDDR is limited, and what confuses me most is the jump from 4 to 5 that happened so quickly. I get that it is based on the memory out in the market, so DDR4 is what it will be based on. Size though confuses me greatly. Memory has been going up to 8gbs for...I would like to say 2 years+, yet single core cpus have only recently caught up to this number, most high end sticking to 6gbs, and the med end at 2gb and low at 1gb.
I can barely remember what ddr3 started at, but after a quick search, I found a 1gb around. So, I would like to believe that the standard will be moving to 4gbs for any gpu since 8gb will be the starter for ddr4. With higher end being around 16gbs would be something to imagine. Anyone that has a strong knowledge of GDDR from DDR please enlighten some.
Anyone know how long it took GDDR4 to come out? Might give a time table of expectation for when GDDR6 will come from DDR4.
Virtual Unified Memory vs HSA/hUMA I got nothing on this one. The grasp of utilizing system memory to increase effectiveness of GPU and APU, to increase abilities of CPU calculations/control is all I am getting. Basically a broken down form of Mantle/DX12 to me. HSA seems like a flop so far as very few, in the desktop world, are utilizing it. hUMA..what can be said. I half expected that GPUs would utilize massive amounts of system memory to increase capabilities to amazing end results. Though if APU is a similar means, I expected more utilization, like 20-25% of system ram or more. Perhaps even resulting in larger memory maxes like LGA2011.
Seems like XBone and PS4 are test subjects for which is best from a AMD standpoint. With Mantle being the similar equivalent of how DX12 will affect these two system types.
Pascal and NVlink, or PCIe4 And than their is Pascal and NVlink. NVlink is something that is to replace PCIe, from what I am gathering, and pascal is a titan Z on monster steroids, perhaps. Or Pascal is a replacement for Ram and GPU? Or it is a server motherboard "insert card" (PCIe like) for all intensive purposes. A motherboard for a motherboard to say. Not sure what to think for this. Pascal was not detailed for what it had equipped, except it was just charted, very generally. Unknown of what it used for, memory or a processor core. Though it uses Virtual Memory, and from what seems to be said, to similar end of what I was hoping for hUMA.
I have very little knowledge of PCIe4, thunderbolt and PCIe OCuLink. All I can venture is it is similar yet slower to NVlink perhaps?
Pascal and NVlink
More info on Pascal and NVlink
Toms PCIe 4 link
Mantle and DX12: If you watch the video below, mantle has a lot of amazing features that it can deliver. Whether DX12 will be similar to these promises, seems most likely. AMD might be using Mantle to bolster FX for Next Gen, though the man stated by visual approximation a FX 8350 was equal or better than a 4770k, a 4core vs 8 core. Though, it was also stated that the process was being bottlenecked by a single R9 290, with an FX 8350 under-clocked to 2ghz. So in the end, they probably looked the same, because the GPU was the determining factor. It would have been fantastic if he could have shown what multiple GPUs could do with the same processors, though for obvious reasons it might be more prudent not to.
Though it would have to leave the thought that this would mean that the Haswell-E should do an even greater job with Mantle or DX12, if a FX8350 was dumbed down by half and bottlenecked while delivering fantastic results, what would intels best deliver? Is it worth getting the best intel has to offer, or a half or less priced FX chip? If it will be several years(I would guess 3-5 years based on visuals) before most programs (Games) can even break passed an FX 8350, perhaps buying 3-4 gpus, high mid to ultra great gpus of current, is the better option.
Mantle Demo with statment of FX 8350 > I7 4770k
25:35 is when visual demo "starts" or 28:25 for action
39:45 is where AMD FX is compared Intel
DX12 stuff
Though, chances are they will not be coming out with a refresh of AM3+, which is a tragedy if these numbers are near accurate. An LGA2011 allows 4 gpus over AM3+ 3, and PCIe 3.0 to boot, which might be utilized greatly. And of course DDR4. It would be glorious if AMD released something along the lines that they are going to upgrade their motherboards for both of these updates, All that has been hinted to is a possible FX processor coming, which might show AMD is still keeping their high end line alive. Hopefully it isn't the portable FX chip..
FX Unknown
Note: I thought I heard rumors that mantle can be used in other graphic based operation programs, like video editing. But I can't locate such.
Note 2: Unified Memory. I am unable to find the video that stats that some form of near release gpu will allow it to utilize system memory to increase work load. I remember seeing a video about zooming in on a planet with increased details, or some glider/air plane visualization perhaps. Can't remember, though if anyone knows, please post url.
Why am I making this topic?
I am looking towards the future, and wanting to, like everyone else, make a semi future proof rig. Though with that, comes some need of what is currently being tossed around in the www. My future build should be in my sig so if anyone wants to pick at it for these thoughts, that is fine.
DDR4: The starting mhz for it is 2133. I have seen it will be labeled as PC4-17066. So far, supposedly 8gb ones have already shown up, which seems low to me given they are starting to go with 16gb for workstations or servers.
Kingston even showed 12-16gb modules (192gb total), making me wonder why start at 8? Another odd thing that I saw was on the Motherboard, their were 4 empty spaces for memory. Is 192 or 96 going to be a new max?
I don't see why it wouldn't be that long for desktops to be using 16gb or 32gb, most certainly at the start 16gb one would think. Though, 8gb seems to be the standard showing/statement.
DDR4 on shelves
192gb kingston
kingston vid
A stretch translation using microsoft for the site below. DDR5 for circa 2021. Everything else in that site is a beyond some of my understanding. The currently sold PC4-17066 is unknown if for servers or desktops from what I can see. If anyone can pick through it to identify if the information is correct (at least on the ddr3 stuff for authenticity of any other info) please. The memory module info I have seen displayed in other places as well, so it seems legit.
Translated Site
GDDR6: Supposedly going to be coming out sometime this year. Speculation that it will be in the 800 series GPU from nvidia. Size? Well, my understanding of GDDR is limited, and what confuses me most is the jump from 4 to 5 that happened so quickly. I get that it is based on the memory out in the market, so DDR4 is what it will be based on. Size though confuses me greatly. Memory has been going up to 8gbs for...I would like to say 2 years+, yet single core cpus have only recently caught up to this number, most high end sticking to 6gbs, and the med end at 2gb and low at 1gb.
I can barely remember what ddr3 started at, but after a quick search, I found a 1gb around. So, I would like to believe that the standard will be moving to 4gbs for any gpu since 8gb will be the starter for ddr4. With higher end being around 16gbs would be something to imagine. Anyone that has a strong knowledge of GDDR from DDR please enlighten some.
Anyone know how long it took GDDR4 to come out? Might give a time table of expectation for when GDDR6 will come from DDR4.
Virtual Unified Memory vs HSA/hUMA I got nothing on this one. The grasp of utilizing system memory to increase effectiveness of GPU and APU, to increase abilities of CPU calculations/control is all I am getting. Basically a broken down form of Mantle/DX12 to me. HSA seems like a flop so far as very few, in the desktop world, are utilizing it. hUMA..what can be said. I half expected that GPUs would utilize massive amounts of system memory to increase capabilities to amazing end results. Though if APU is a similar means, I expected more utilization, like 20-25% of system ram or more. Perhaps even resulting in larger memory maxes like LGA2011.
Seems like XBone and PS4 are test subjects for which is best from a AMD standpoint. With Mantle being the similar equivalent of how DX12 will affect these two system types.
Pascal and NVlink, or PCIe4 And than their is Pascal and NVlink. NVlink is something that is to replace PCIe, from what I am gathering, and pascal is a titan Z on monster steroids, perhaps. Or Pascal is a replacement for Ram and GPU? Or it is a server motherboard "insert card" (PCIe like) for all intensive purposes. A motherboard for a motherboard to say. Not sure what to think for this. Pascal was not detailed for what it had equipped, except it was just charted, very generally. Unknown of what it used for, memory or a processor core. Though it uses Virtual Memory, and from what seems to be said, to similar end of what I was hoping for hUMA.
I have very little knowledge of PCIe4, thunderbolt and PCIe OCuLink. All I can venture is it is similar yet slower to NVlink perhaps?
Pascal and NVlink
More info on Pascal and NVlink
Toms PCIe 4 link
Mantle and DX12: If you watch the video below, mantle has a lot of amazing features that it can deliver. Whether DX12 will be similar to these promises, seems most likely. AMD might be using Mantle to bolster FX for Next Gen, though the man stated by visual approximation a FX 8350 was equal or better than a 4770k, a 4core vs 8 core. Though, it was also stated that the process was being bottlenecked by a single R9 290, with an FX 8350 under-clocked to 2ghz. So in the end, they probably looked the same, because the GPU was the determining factor. It would have been fantastic if he could have shown what multiple GPUs could do with the same processors, though for obvious reasons it might be more prudent not to.
Though it would have to leave the thought that this would mean that the Haswell-E should do an even greater job with Mantle or DX12, if a FX8350 was dumbed down by half and bottlenecked while delivering fantastic results, what would intels best deliver? Is it worth getting the best intel has to offer, or a half or less priced FX chip? If it will be several years(I would guess 3-5 years based on visuals) before most programs (Games) can even break passed an FX 8350, perhaps buying 3-4 gpus, high mid to ultra great gpus of current, is the better option.
Mantle Demo with statment of FX 8350 > I7 4770k
25:35 is when visual demo "starts" or 28:25 for action
39:45 is where AMD FX is compared Intel
DX12 stuff
Though, chances are they will not be coming out with a refresh of AM3+, which is a tragedy if these numbers are near accurate. An LGA2011 allows 4 gpus over AM3+ 3, and PCIe 3.0 to boot, which might be utilized greatly. And of course DDR4. It would be glorious if AMD released something along the lines that they are going to upgrade their motherboards for both of these updates, All that has been hinted to is a possible FX processor coming, which might show AMD is still keeping their high end line alive. Hopefully it isn't the portable FX chip..
FX Unknown
Note: I thought I heard rumors that mantle can be used in other graphic based operation programs, like video editing. But I can't locate such.
Note 2: Unified Memory. I am unable to find the video that stats that some form of near release gpu will allow it to utilize system memory to increase work load. I remember seeing a video about zooming in on a planet with increased details, or some glider/air plane visualization perhaps. Can't remember, though if anyone knows, please post url.
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