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MSI Radeon r9 280 GAMING 2-way crossfire vs MSI Radeon r9 290 GAMING

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July 13, 2014 11:19:58 AM

Which would benefit me more?
Buying 2 280 GAMING gpus is a lil more expensive than a singular 290 GAMING so if the 290 is better than both combined then I would probably just get the 290.

I'm trying to handle a Crossover 27Q 2560x1440p LED-P Monitor @ 60hz with these gpus

You can look at my entire specs, if need be, here:
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July 13, 2014 11:25:33 AM

The dual 280s will be slightly better but not by much. I recommend you save money so in the future you can upgrade, cos you can't really upgrade with dual 280s.

The rest of the build looks good. :D 
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July 13, 2014 11:35:16 AM

SachMcFunny said:
The dual 280s will be slightly better but not by much. I recommend you save money so in the future you can upgrade, cos you can't really upgrade with dual 280s.

The rest of the build looks good. :D 


Thanks for the reply, my good sir!

So are you saying the 290 GAMING will not be enough for 2560x1440p? If that's the case any alternative suggestions?

I know that it is hard for a gpu to handle that many pixels but is the 290 GAMING really not good enough? even 2 way crossfire?
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July 13, 2014 11:38:51 AM

I would recommend the single card R9 290 versus the two 280s. The 280s will be a bit more powerful, but upgrading down the road will be more expensive. While a R9 290 now will be cheaper, and upgrading down the road will be cheaper. The difference in power won't be significant, and having a single card won't give you the issues with duel-card setups (micro-stuttering, compatibility issues, etc.).

The rest of your build isn't bad at all.
No k CPU? Not an issue if you don't plan on overclocking
If you aren't overclocking, then you don't need a Z97 chip-set. This chip-set is meant for enthusiasts and overclockers.
1 stick of 8GB ram isn't preferable. Two sticks would be better. If you plan on upgrading to 16GB down the road, just buy another set of 2x4gb ram.
The hybrid Seagate drive is an interesting choice. I can't say much here since I don't have any experience with hybrid drives.

Edit-
290 will work fine for 1440p gaming. The R9 290 is one of the best GPUs out on the market right now.
Two in crossfire will run a 4k setup decently, so 1440p will be nothing.
280s in crossfire will work well too, but for the reasons above I still say the 290 will work fine.
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July 13, 2014 11:52:39 AM

Cryoburn101 said:
I would recommend the single card R9 290 versus the two 280s. The 280s will be a bit more powerful, but upgrading down the road will be more expensive. While a R9 290 now will be cheaper, and upgrading down the road will be cheaper. The difference in power won't be significant, and having a single card won't give you the issues with duel-card setups (micro-stuttering, compatibility issues, etc.).

The rest of your build isn't bad at all.
No k CPU? Not an issue if you don't plan on overclocking
If you aren't overclocking, then you don't need a Z97 chip-set. This chip-set is meant for enthusiasts and overclockers.
1 stick of 8GB ram isn't preferable. Two sticks would be better. If you plan on upgrading to 16GB down the road, just buy another set of 2x4gb ram.
The hybrid Seagate drive is an interesting choice. I can't say much here since I don't have any experience with hybrid drives.

Edit-
290 will work fine for 1440p gaming. The R9 290 is one of the best GPUs out on the market right now.
Two in crossfire will run a 4k setup decently, so 1440p will be nothing.
280s in crossfire will work well too, but for the reasons above I still say the 290 will work fine.


This is very helpful! Thank you!

I should mention that this is my first build. Ever.

That being said, I am not sure if I would want to OC or not (caz it's my first time and from what I've heard it is a bit of a risk).
I've heard people say that you need to "know what you are doing" when OC'ing but is it really that difficult? And what are the noticeable benefits to OC'ing your CPU?

Just for consideration's sake, are there any other good alternatives to the 290 GAMING? I kinda wanna stick with this one but I am also open to other possibly cheaper options.

Thanks again for the help! Kinda new to this stuff :pt1cable: 
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July 13, 2014 2:01:38 PM

jaycalli said:


This is very helpful! Thank you!

I should mention that this is my first build. Ever.

That being said, I am not sure if I would want to OC or not (caz it's my first time and from what I've heard it is a bit of a risk).
I've heard people say that you need to "know what you are doing" when OC'ing but is it really that difficult? And what are the noticeable benefits to OC'ing your CPU?

Just for consideration's sake, are there any other good alternatives to the 290 GAMING? I kinda wanna stick with this one but I am also open to other possibly cheaper options.

Thanks again for the help! Kinda new to this stuff :pt1cable: 


Yeah, overclocking can be risky. It can shorten the life-span of your components, and make them run hotter. You can get some pretty big performance boosts though, so its a balance depending on what you are comfortable with.
Some cards/chips are good overclockers, others are not, research is key when it comes to overclocking.

Plenty of people will by a cheaper CPU that isn't a great match for a better GPU. Then heavily overclock the CPU to get balanced performance.

Alternatives for the R9 290-
280X (cheaper alternative, not as powerful, somewhere in between the 280 and the 290)
GTX 770 (Nvidia equivilant to the 280x)
GTX 780 (Nvidia equivilant to the R9 290. These cards are almost equal in performance. Some games just happen to run on Nvidia better, others run AMD better. GTX 780 is more expensive though.)
R9 290X (More powerful than the R9 290, really just minor differences and a healthy OC. Price is steeper though)

The R9 290 is one of the best cards available as of now. Especially for the price. I'm actually going to put this card into my next rig once I get everything sorted.
Feel free to ask any more questions you might have!
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July 13, 2014 7:59:25 PM

Instead of getting the CPU I have picked out now I might just get a k series in case I wanna OC. I think I can do it if I do the research, I mean I probably spent 5+ hours deciding what monitor would be best for me and I'm still torn between the Crossover 2755 and the Eizo fs2333. And as far as I can tell the eizo wins in everything except looks (freakin important!!!).

Do you have any suggestions for a K series CPU?
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July 13, 2014 8:22:00 PM

jaycalli said:
Instead of getting the CPU I have picked out now I might just get a k series in case I wanna OC. I think I can do it if I do the research, I mean I probably spent 5+ hours deciding what monitor would be best for me and I'm still torn between the Crossover 2755 and the Eizo fs2333. And as far as I can tell the eizo wins in everything except looks (freakin important!!!).

Do you have any suggestions for a K series CPU?


Ah, I remember doing that. Spending days and days at a time just to pick out a component... I'm going to be doing that again soon. We've all been there.
I couldn't find the specific 2755 monitor that you are refering to, do you have a link? The 2333 monitor isn't 1440p, its 1080p. It won't look as nice due to the lesser resolution. It would be easier on your GPU if you wanted to run a multi-monitor setup though, and a bit nicer on your wallet.
Main things to consider is TN vs IPS. TN monitors tend to have higher-refresh rates, and blacks are nicer. IPS monitors have great colors, and the viewing angles are significantly better.
After you pick which one, it comes down to resolution and quality of the monitor. A bad IPS monitor can have worse colors than a good TN monitor for example. Make sure you check reviews. If you can, pop over to a BestBuy or Microcenter to check out different monitors for yourself.

When it comes to Intel's K series, it really comes down to budget. For gaming, the i5 4670k has become pretty standard. I would pick up the newer 4690k though. If you got some extra cash to spend, you can get a i7 4770k or a 4790k. This is nicer for 'future proofing' due to the hyper-threading capabilities of the i7s. Its by no means required though.
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July 13, 2014 8:39:27 PM

Oh sorry, forgot to mention the 2755 is a Crossover IPS monitor (1440p) with 6ms gtg vs the fs2333's 3ms which I'm okay with that, only thing I am not sure of is latency for the 2755. I wasn't able to find any testing samples for that. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough. I'm hopeful it isn't too bad but it shouldn't be anyway.

Also I am planning on playing consoles on it too once in a while when I feel like chilling out. There shouldn't be any issues playing a 1080p game on a 1440p screen right? (Kinda dumb question but needs to be asked ;p)
I plan on blowing roughly 1500 bucks on this build. I just got outta HS, still living with parents for prob 2 years of commun college so saving money isn't an issue (unless they start making me pay rent LOL). Logically it makes sense to go ahead and spend more money now because that means less money later #mylogic

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July 13, 2014 11:50:16 PM

jaycalli said:
Oh sorry, forgot to mention the 2755 is a Crossover IPS monitor (1440p) with 6ms gtg vs the fs2333's 3ms which I'm okay with that, only thing I am not sure of is latency for the 2755. I wasn't able to find any testing samples for that. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough. I'm hopeful it isn't too bad but it shouldn't be anyway.

Also I am planning on playing consoles on it too once in a while when I feel like chilling out. There shouldn't be any issues playing a 1080p game on a 1440p screen right? (Kinda dumb question but needs to be asked ;p)
I plan on blowing roughly 1500 bucks on this build. I just got outta HS, still living with parents for prob 2 years of commun college so saving money isn't an issue (unless they start making me pay rent LOL). Logically it makes sense to go ahead and spend more money now because that means less money later #mylogic

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When it comes to latency everyone is different. Some say that 8ms latency is 'killn my 360 mlg noscope drop trikshotz'. While others won't even notice a difference. I prefer IPS monitors myself, but I haven't had a decent TN panel so I'm a bit biased.
Either way its not a bad decision.

Gaming at a lower resolution on a higher resolution is usually fine. You can get scaling issues depending on settings/monitor, where the image is stretched a bit, but I have a similar setup and I got used to it (wasn't that bad).
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July 14, 2014 2:06:14 AM

jaycalli said:
SachMcFunny said:
The dual 280s will be slightly better but not by much. I recommend you save money so in the future you can upgrade, cos you can't really upgrade with dual 280s.

The rest of the build looks good. :D 


Thanks for the reply, my good sir!

So are you saying the 290 GAMING will not be enough for 2560x1440p? If that's the case any alternative suggestions?

I know that it is hard for a gpu to handle that many pixels but is the 290 GAMING really not good enough? even 2 way crossfire?


Sorry for the late reply.

The R9 290 is an amazing GPU. I have a single R9 290X which I use to play on my 1440p QNix (also Korean), and sometimes on my 3 Asus 1080p monitors, and it's amazing. Good framerate and in most games I can play on High at least with AA on. Both GPUs were made to run at higher resolutions than the standard (1080p) so they both run 1440p easily.

And then in the future when you fell you need a little more power in your PC you can buy a second R9 290 - but for now one is definitely fine.

Hope I helped :D  and enjoy your gaming!
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July 14, 2014 4:43:22 AM

SachMcFunny said:
jaycalli said:
SachMcFunny said:
The dual 280s will be slightly better but not by much. I recommend you save money so in the future you can upgrade, cos you can't really upgrade with dual 280s.

The rest of the build looks good. :D 


Thanks for the reply, my good sir!

So are you saying the 290 GAMING will not be enough for 2560x1440p? If that's the case any alternative suggestions?

I know that it is hard for a gpu to handle that many pixels but is the 290 GAMING really not good enough? even 2 way crossfire?


Sorry for the late reply.

The R9 290 is an amazing GPU. I have a single R9 290X which I use to play on my 1440p QNix (also Korean), and sometimes on my 3 Asus 1080p monitors, and it's amazing. Good framerate and in most games I can play on High at least with AA on. Both GPUs were made to run at higher resolutions than the standard (1080p) so they both run 1440p easily.

And then in the future when you fell you need a little more power in your PC you can buy a second R9 290 - but for now one is definitely fine.

Hope I helped :D  and enjoy your gaming!


Don't worry! :) 

What model Qnix do you have? Is it good for playing FPS games (like bf4 ofc)? And can you OC?

I'm trying to find a good 1440p IPS/VA/AH-IPS/what have you that has a negligible amount of latency and response time (if possible, I realize this is slightly difficult). A better question is would I even notice any lag or delay if I were playing intensely in a game like bf4?

Could you give me some suggestions? Appreciate it!
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July 14, 2014 5:29:04 AM

What model Qnix do you have? Is it good for playing FPS games (like bf4 ofc)? And can you OC?

I'm trying to find a good 1440p IPS/VA/AH-IPS/what have you that has a negligible amount of latency and response time (if possible, I realize this is slightly difficult). A better question is would I even notice any lag or delay if I were playing intensely in a game like bf4?

Could you give me some suggestions? Appreciate it![/quotemsg]

I have the QNIX X2710 Evolution II 27" which is IPS, 1440p and AMAZING.

I don't notice much lag between my Qnix (8ms) and my Asus (2ms). Unless you are a super-ultra-mega-FPS gamer then you won't notice much difference. Even then it's fine to play FPS and all games on, but most of the time I prefer to use my Asus.

I'm not sure if you can OC it cos I haven't been bothered since I got it a few months ago.
I have no dead pixels and no screen tearing. My only complain would be the stand is a bit too "plasticy" for my liking.

What is your budget?
I would recommend:
QNIX X2710 Evolution II 27" ($320)
Shimian QH270 ($350)
Yamakasi Q270($380)
ASUS PB278Q ($500)

I guess the Koreans like Q :p 
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July 14, 2014 5:53:51 AM

SachMcFunny said:
What model Qnix do you have? Is it good for playing FPS games (like bf4 ofc)? And can you OC?

I'm trying to find a good 1440p IPS/VA/AH-IPS/what have you that has a negligible amount of latency and response time (if possible, I realize this is slightly difficult). A better question is would I even notice any lag or delay if I were playing intensely in a game like bf4?

Could you give me some suggestions? Appreciate it!


I have the QNIX X2710 Evolution II 27" which is IPS, 1440p and AMAZING.

I don't notice much lag between my Qnix (8ms) and my Asus (2ms). Unless you are a super-ultra-mega-FPS gamer then you won't notice much difference. Even then it's fine to play FPS and all games on, but most of the time I prefer to use my Asus.

I'm not sure if you can OC it cos I haven't been bothered since I got it a few months ago.
I have no dead pixels and no screen tearing. My only complain would be the stand is a bit too "plasticy" for my liking.

What is your budget?
I would recommend:
QNIX X2710 Evolution II 27" ($320)
Shimian QH270 ($350)
Yamakasi Q270($380)
ASUS PB278Q ($500)

I guess the Koreans like Q :p [/quotemsg]

I wouldn't say I am that hardcore of a FPS gamer lol, but I do in fact enjoy them :) 

If I do get one I doubt I'd overclock it either (at least for a while). Mainly because I think I'd be more than happy with 60 fps (considering I have an extensive console history :p )

I could probably throw down no more than $500 (if it's a REALLY good deal). However most of what you recommended me is right in that sweet spot :) 

Pretty much, my only worry atm is the fact that I've heard that monitors with multiple inputs (HDMI, DVI, etc) have a significantly higher latency (I believe about 2 frames longer)... I am not sure if this is true or not. This does kind of bug me because it would be really ideal if I could get a multi-input monitor so I can play console as well... Is yours multi-input or no? It's really hard to have a good judgement on this for me because the only monitor I've ever used extensively is my current laptop. So I have nothing to base my judgement on except for reviews and what the word on the net is.

Yes, yes they do :D 
because he's quagmire, quagmire, giggigidi do

I was also looking at the X-star, seems about the same as the Qnix based on what I've read
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July 14, 2014 6:26:52 AM

Edit -- I think I figured out my plan, I'll just buy the Crossover 27Q LED-P DVI-D only (was my original plan lol) and buy a separate monitor that I can use for my console in the future. It's not worth the risk of input lag gained from multi-input monitors (which I hear can go up to 92ms). I am probably being more paranoid than I should but oh well :) 
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July 14, 2014 8:07:14 AM

jaycalli said:
Edit -- I think I figured out my plan, I'll just buy the Crossover 27Q LED-P DVI-D only (was my original plan lol) and buy a separate monitor that I can use for my console in the future. It's not worth the risk of input lag gained from multi-input monitors (which I hear can go up to 92ms). I am probably being more paranoid than I should but oh well :) 


Sounds like a good plan :D 
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