Having a hard time quantifying my needs; Input requested!

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Greetings,

I'm looking to move into a desktop (out of my Sager laptop which has been acting as one for quite some time now) but am having issues when it comes to price vs needs. My edgy side wants me to get the most flashy pieces of hardware my eyes come across whereas my budget minded side is trying to make sure I don't get had.

I've been reading through several of Tom's guides to budget hardware pieces and this has been the yield of my research:

GIGABYTE GA-G1.Sniper Z97
Intel Core i7-4790K Haswell
EVGA SuperClocked 02G-P4-2765-KR GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM
SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB

Obviously there are three core components missing in the above list: The case, cooling system, and power supply unit.

Before I ask my questions, let me preface by describing my computer habits: I'm a retired hard-core gamer. In other words, I gamed very hard when I was younger but have since settled down and had a family and now I hardcore game in small spurts. I still like to play the latest games at moderate settings but don't necessarily demand the best. I'm budget minded which is why I'm looking to throw another GTX 780 in SLI with the first one listed above at some point in the future when it's cheaper and I need the extra power (this needs to be kept in mind when it comes to the power supply). Other than gaming, I do programming as a side hobby and generally find myself multi-tasking quite a bit (visual studio, word editors, chrome with 20 tabs open, the norm for hobbyist programmer). I certainly expect smooth operations when I'm doing all of these tasks. As for price, not the biggest factor to me but I'd like to try and stay less than $1,500.

That's really about it. The way I've pinned it in my mind is that I need the quad-core for multi-tasking and the high clock rate on the CPU for gaming (since I've read games generally don't do much better with multiple cores but do significantly better with higher clock rates).

With all that being said, I have the following questions:

1) How much power will I need for this rig (including future expansion)? What's the best rated PSU for the money? I love the idea of power savings, but not willing to drop big bucks for platinum+.

2) I really want to go with a liquid cooling system on this rig. However, I've never done it and really have no idea how to go about it. What's a great beginner system that is easy to install and not overly cluttered?

3) With the previous question in mind, what would be the best case for the aforementioned cooling system?

Sorry the post went a little long, but it said be detailed! Any input on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
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http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intel-delays-higher-end-broadwell-chips-to-july-september-2015/
looks like intel having issue giong down to 14mm on there cpu. pushing back brodwell till next year.
for the money a sealed h110/h111 is good. there also a lot of large brick air coolers that work just as well as seal water units. with the sealed water units if the pump fails...yu have to pull it out and wait for a replacement. big brick colers the only part that fails is a the fan. pick up most fans at local shop. price building case would be the cosair r300 or the r400.
blig bling cases would be the nxzt cases with built in led and fan controlers. pwer supply use a cosair or seasonic or a rebranded sea in 1000w gold module unit. (only need the cables you need plugged in). few things so you dont get buyers remorse. nvidia maxwell will be dropping some time and newer amd gpu. there having issues at the foundry with 20mm chips. they may be skipping 20mm going to 16mm. also intel brodwell was delayed so long that the skylake cpu is dropping soon. when it does drp it have ddr-4 ram and newer mb chipset and 1151 pin mb. the older 1150 mb wont take a skylark cpu. myself if I culd get the laptop to last till xmass or longger I wait buy the newer parts.
 
I need the quad-core for multi-tasking and the high clock rate on the CPU for gaming (since I've read games generally don't do much better with multiple cores but do significantly better with higher clock rates.)

not quite mate... any quad core over 2.6ghz is fast enough for gaming. so even if you were stuck with a core 2 quad you would still have enough cpu grunt.
the advantage of the faster i5's is they can handle the fastest gpu's without bottlnecking on single threaded apps. the older core 2 quads would likely suffer such if you went higher than a gtx 760.
in real terms there isnt any gaming performance difference between say a 4440 non K part and a 4790k (maybe 1-3 fps when used with the same gpu)
 

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Is there any information on the Skylake? I thought the Devil's Canyon was going to be the next one to drop. I don't mind waiting, but at the same time I know that with technology you can play the waiting game literally forever :p
 

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A little confused. Is an i5 with less clock speed better than an i7 with more clock speed when it comes to gaming?
 
for gaming theres little difference... cpu's have been good enough for about 4 generations now. in that time cpus have gotten about 30% faster per thread, but this doesnt translate into higher fps in gaming. it turns in to less percentage of the cpu being used to run the task.

for gaming you dont need the latest and greatest cpu, you just need something that will do the job. so like i said any i series quad core faster than 2.6ghz will do.
 

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Ah, I see what you're saying. Thanks for the help.

Can anyone else help with my other questions?
 

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Interesting. Well, I'm certainly not waiting that long, so I think I'm going to stick with the original CPU I quoted.