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Tradesman1

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No worries, tested and working with the rest of the mobo components - i.e. when MSI sent out their Z87 mobos for review, turned out they found the ethernet controller didn't work and had to immediately issue a BIOS update for it, would have thought they would have been testing :)
 

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how do you know msi have the poor QC?
well,i think you should update the new mobo RMA info. from here,

Motherboards:
Article posted on May 10th 2013:

Average Failure rates:

- Gigabyte 1,19% (vs 1,77% before)
- ASUS 1,79% (vs 2,34% before)
- ASRock 2,09% (vs 1,67% before)
- MSI 3,05% (vs 2,24% before)

Compared to the previous period, Gigabyte and Asus do better, Asrock and MSI less. Gigabyte is in an obvious lead, while MSI's number surpasses 3%, which is worrying to say the least. If we look more specifically at LGA 1155 Z77 Express motherboards, here is the ranking we get:
- Gigabyte 1,70%
- ASUS 1,87%
- ASRock 1,91%
- MSI 3,57%

A high percentage of the high return rate for MSI motherboards is then related to their Z77 models. Of all models here are the 5 most returned ones:

- 5,88% ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
- 5,59% ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP
- 4,94% MSI Z77A-G45
- 4,10% ASRock 960GM/U3S3
- 4,09% ASUS P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3

Here then, is the reason for the high overall failure rate of MSI boards, the Z77A-G45, one of their models. Without this one, MSI's average plummets to 2.03% on all Z77 boards and 2.19% for the average of all their boards.
Thankfully this seems resolved because the next period (sales between October 2012 and April 2013), the failure rate of the Z77A-G45 drops down to 1.45%. (Read next article posted right below for more info)

Article posted on October 30th, 2013:

Average Failure rates:

- Gigabyte 1,43% (vs 1,19% year before)
- MSI 1,83% (vs 3,05% year before)
- ASUS 1,86% (vs 1,79% year before)
- ASRock 2,09% (vs 2,09% year before)

MSI considerably improved it's rate compared to the previous year, which had a rate of 2.03%. if you were to exclude one of their main model (the Z77A-G45) which had a failure rate of 4.94%. The manufacturer returns from fourth place to 2nd place, and Gigabyte still leads the pack despite a higher failure rate this year.

If we look more explicitly at the failure rates for LGA 1155 Z77 express motherboards, here is the result:

- MSI 1,88%
- ASUS 2,01%
- Gigabyte 2,44%
- ASRock 3,51%
 

Tradesman1

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Yes data over a year old, take a look at the longer term as to how their sales have been decreasing each and every year since about 2008, and they have fallen from the #3 in sales with a healthy lead over # 4 to lose 3rd place to ASRock back around late 2009 early 2010 and the Rock (and of course GB and Asus have all three continued to distance themselves from MSI.
 

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so,you mean the msi improve there QC is not truth?did you have msi mobo?why are you so sure the msi mobo QC is too bad?
 

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Of the rigs I get trouble calls on (mobo wise), I get twice as many problem MSI mobos than any two other manufacturers put together (and since I don't build on MSI, most of these are referrals. I also keep up with the industry as best I can, and things like them shipping out all those NEW Z87 mobos with the problem ethernet tells one a little something, they've also done the same with wireless, back with the P67 after the initial recall, then sent out the boards w/ the SATA fix, problem was in about 4-5 models of the mobos they were using overly tight DRAM sockets resulting in constant boot, restart loops - they knew about it, and disclaimed any knowledge, no recall or anything else (not real honest).... One might expect that something might slip through with some mobos, but about separate models? IN the Z87s they had other problems also other than ethernet and wireless, and it's been no one thing, ports going bad within 30-60 days (other ethernet, USB, etc), bad PCI-E slots, bad SATA controllers, etc. Of the other builders and IT folks I network with across the country,can't think of any that will use MSI mobos......there's always a chance you'll get a bad mobo and that ends up costing the builder money, makes absolutely no sense to build on a mobo you have no faith in, and companies that are steadily dropping in sales doesn't inspire much faith either