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Is GTX Titan (EVGA / Gigabyte / Asus) A Good Investment?

So this roller coaster ride continues, and just as I made up my mind in favor of 780 Ti over R9 290x, both of these $%#$ cards got sold out : P. And now I'm presented with another choice of $800 GTX Titans from EVGA, Gigabyte and Asus.

Questions:
1. It seems rather an obvious choice while the Titans being more expensive that 780 Ti, but in terms of better future-proofing, would Titan be a better investment, Or 780 Ti beats it here too?

2. If I'm to go with the former, would Gigabyte be the better option considering the reference cooler being replaceable with WindForce later for better OC'ing freedom? Or EVGA gets credit only for its brand name?

Thanks very much in advance guys. It's been great help from you in the past few days.
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  1. i have neither, but, regardless of price, the GTX Titan is better than the 780 ti:
    http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-TITAN-vs-GeForce-GTX-780-Ti

    however price is a concern and you need to decide wether the better performance of the titan is worth the extra premium price.

    as for "future proof", im not sure, but as the GTX titan has better specs... I'm inclined to go with the Titan for "future proof". the reason for the speech marks is that i think neither of them is really future proof. an example of future proof would be the i7 processor, as you pay the premium price for whats called Hyperthreading. games and some programs don't take advantage of this yet, but they will. in the future. i dont think either graphics cards have anything like this. but if you can afford the gtx titan, then get that, but 780ti is SLI is apparently better for gaming.
  2. The 780ti out performes the titan at 1080p but if you want to go up to 4k or do tripple monitors a titan would be best, or you could kick both the titan and 780ti's asses by getting dual gtx 780's (same price as GTX titan) You could also get 2x 760's which are half the price of the 780ti and perform just as good as the titan.
  3. The GTX Titan is a developer/enthusiast card.
    The GTX 780 Ti is a gaming card.
  4. And neither of them are investments because you don't make any money off them.

    Unless you ARE a developer/architect/whatever, then a titan could be considered an investment if it lets you get your work done faster.
  5. In about a year, after the 8xx series comes out you know they are going to introduce a 895 (or whatever they want to call it) dual GPU on one card that has performance that will best the titan at a much lower pricepoint. Unless they hobble their top tier gaming cards to keep the titan from being surpassed.

    GPU tech moves forward too fast to drop more than $400 on a card, IMO. I don't need a bleeding edge card.
  6. a r9 290x is faster and better for higher resolution. As onto the gtx titan i heard it got its butt whopped by the 780's and 760's. I would go for the gtx 780ti(or r9 290x for higher res :) but the titan is a dual core and is made for higher res aswell.

    edit; dual gpu
  7. James Mason said:
    And neither of them are investments because you don't make any money off them.

    Unless you ARE a developer/architect/whatever, then a titan could be considered an investment if it lets you get your work done faster.

    Thanks for taking time to reply.

    Secondly, I assume you're guiding me away from purchasing the Titan. But with all due respect, for you're an expert on these matters (and know much better than me how to transfer knowledge), don't you think it could also have been done, absent this short lecture on the appropriate uses of the word "investment"? :)

    Well thanks anyway mate.
  8. rlakhani11 said:
    James Mason said:
    And neither of them are investments because you don't make any money off them.

    Unless you ARE a developer/architect/whatever, then a titan could be considered an investment if it lets you get your work done faster.

    Thanks for taking time to reply.

    Secondly, I assume you're guiding me away from purchasing the Titan. But with all due respect, for you're an expert on these matters (and know much better than me how to transfer knowledge), don't you think it could also have been done, absent this short lecture on the appropriate uses of the word "investment"? :)

    Well thanks anyway mate.


    I wouldn't waste money on a titan unless you profit $1000 a week from whatever you use it for.

    You never said why you wanted/needed a 780ti/titan, other than future proofing, which is really moot point, because it basically doesnt exist. You'd be better off buying whats right for you now, and then later on buying whats right for you then.
  9. Nope, it's not. Instead...buy a 770 now, then replace it with a 970 in a few years, then replace it with a 1170 a few years after that.....and still have money left over in your pocket.
  10. kunthakenthe said:
    but the titan is a dual core and is made for higher res aswell.

    edit; dual gpu

    I believe the only dual-GPU Titan model is Titan Z, which has 2x Titan Black GPUs.
  11. James Mason said:
    You never said why you wanted/needed a 780ti/titan, other than future proofing, which is really moot point, because it basically doesnt exist.

    My bad.
  12. RCguitarist said:
    Nope, it's not. Instead...buy a 770 now, then replace it with a 970 in a few years, then replace it with a 1170 a few years after that.....and still have money left over in your pocket.

    Actually I've got a 770 2GB now, but somehow I suppose it's still lacking a bit here and there. I'm not satisfied with its performance somehow. I played Dragon Age: Origins (2009) and Prince of Persia 4 (2008) recently and I saw drastic frame drops. At Ultra and everything maxed out in DAO, most of the time it remains at 60 (due to monitor RR), but some areas slammed me down to ~15 fps. So I don't think it's capable of running the heaviest of games (if DAO also falls into that category, which is quite surprising). In POP's case, again most of the time it remains 60, but keeps dropping me down to low 50s or even ~50 at more colorful/scenic areas.

    I would've SLI'd this 770 only if it was a 4GB model. There wouldn't have been any better option than that I guess. But unfortunately I'm stuck with this 2GB thing and I wanna get rid of it.
  13. Full system specs?
  14. chimera201 said:
    Full system specs?

    i7 3770
    P8H77-V LE
    16GB Ballistix Elite 1600mhz
    TX750 (V1)
    GB GTX 770 2GB
    128 GB Samsung SSD (OS/System)
    1TB Seagate
    Xonar DX
  15. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    but the titan is a dual core and is made for higher res aswell.

    edit; dual gpu

    I believe the only dual-GPU Titan model is Titan Z, which has 2x Titan Black GPUs.

    yeah i wasnt sure if it was titan or titan z
  16. rlakhani11 said:
    chimera201 said:
    Full system specs?

    i7 3770
    P8H77-V LE
    16GB Ballistix Elite 1600mhz
    TX750 (V1)
    GB GTX 770 2GB
    128 GB Samsung SSD (OS/System)
    1TB Seagate
    Xonar DX



    you really dont need to spend more than 400 or 500 dollars on a gpu unless your sli/cfx and keeping them for a couple years. buy a r9 290x or gtx 780ti is a hefty investment when they will get outclassed by the 800's next year. buy a 400$ good gpu then next year they'll have a gpu that is more powerful for half the cost so sli/cfx and keep for like 3-4yrs or buy a r9 290 or gtx 780 for 300-400$ and upgrade next year or wait for the next gen
  17. Best answer
    rlakhani11 said:
    chimera201 said:
    Full system specs?

    i7 3770
    P8H77-V LE
    16GB Ballistix Elite 1600mhz
    TX750 (V1)
    GB GTX 770 2GB
    128 GB Samsung SSD (OS/System)
    1TB Seagate
    Xonar DX




    I don't think DAO can have frame drops on that system. Maybe it's a software issue. You may have useless programs running in background that is causing the frame drops
  18. kunthakenthe said:
    you really dont need to spend more than 400 or 500 dollars on a gpu unless your sli/cfx and keeping them for a couple years. buy a r9 290x or gtx 780ti is a hefty investment when they will get outclassed by the 800's next year. buy a 400$ good gpu then next year they'll have a gpu that is more powerful for half the cost so sli/cfx and keep for like 3-4yrs or buy a r9 290 or gtx 780 for 300-400$ and upgrade next year or wait for the next gen

    Like I mentioned above, I would definitely have loved SLI'ing this 770 were it a 4GB model. Unfortunately I'm not a very farsighted person and made a mistake at the time, of purchasing this 2GB model. Hence all this fuss.
  19. chimera201 said:
    I don't think DAO can have frame drops on that system. Maybe it's a software issue. You may have useless programs running in background that is causing the frame drops

    Nah I checked again and again. The CPU utilization remained very low even while playing the game and I made sure that none of these programs like GeForce Experience and bla bla were running in the background.

    PS. You'll wonder if I disagree with you then why I selected this particular reply as the best answer. Well I didn't..I wasn't lighting my cigarette when I mistakenly clicked it LOLL....
  20. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    you really dont need to spend more than 400 or 500 dollars on a gpu unless your sli/cfx and keeping them for a couple years. buy a r9 290x or gtx 780ti is a hefty investment when they will get outclassed by the 800's next year. buy a 400$ good gpu then next year they'll have a gpu that is more powerful for half the cost so sli/cfx and keep for like 3-4yrs or buy a r9 290 or gtx 780 for 300-400$ and upgrade next year or wait for the next gen

    Like I mentioned above, I would definitely have loved SLI'ing this 770 were it a 4GB model. Unfortunately I'm not a very farsighted person and made the mistake at the time, of purchasing this 2GB model. Hence all this fuss.


    yeah always get the 4gb version of a card for sli/cf unless it can handle 4gb(r9 290x) or 6gb(titan and gtx 780ti) 4gb 770 cant use full 4gb properly.
  21. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    you really dont need to spend more than 400 or 500 dollars on a gpu unless your sli/cfx and keeping them for a couple years. buy a r9 290x or gtx 780ti is a hefty investment when they will get outclassed by the 800's next year. buy a 400$ good gpu then next year they'll have a gpu that is more powerful for half the cost so sli/cfx and keep for like 3-4yrs or buy a r9 290 or gtx 780 for 300-400$ and upgrade next year or wait for the next gen

    Like I mentioned above, I would definitely have loved SLI'ing this 770 were it a 4GB model. Unfortunately I'm not a very farsighted person and made the mistake at the time, of purchasing this 2GB model. Hence all this fuss.


    rlakhani11 said:
    chimera201 said:
    I don't think DAO can have frame drops on that system. Maybe it's a software issue. You may have useless programs running in background that is causing the frame drops

    Nah I checked again and again. The CPU utilization remained very low even while playing the game and I made sure that none of these programs like GeForce Experience and bla bla were running in the background.

    PS. You'll wonder if I disagree with you then why I selected this particular reply as the best answer. Well I didn't..I wasn't lighting my cigarette when I mistakenly clicked it LOLL....


    cpu utilization shouldnt be high in games because a game usually doesnt use all a cpu's resources
  22. kunthakenthe said:
    cpu utilization shouldnt be high in games because a game usually doesnt use all a cpu's resources

    Well that's it then. If background applications don't matter and CPU utilization doesn't go high while gaming, what could be the possible cause of drastic frame drops? Yes I've heard quite a few times that these unexpected things do happen with torrented/pirated games which aren't cracked properly sometimes. But not in this case. I purchased 14 games during the recent Origin sale and it's one of them. And then POP 4 too.

    Plz help me guys I'm stuck badly here. If my GPU is not the issue then why am I bearing all this headache of purchasing a new one? :S
  23. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    cpu utilization shouldnt be high in games because a game usually doesnt use all a cpu's resources

    Well that's it then. If background applications don't matter and CPU utilization doesn't go high while gaming, what could be the possible cause of drastic frame drops? Yes I've heard quite a few times that these unexpected things do happen with torrented/pirated games which aren't cracked properly sometimes. But not in this case. I purchased 14 games during the recent Origin sale and it's one of them. And then POP 4 too.

    Plz help me guys I'm stuck badly here. If my GPU is not the issue then why am I bearing all this headache of purchasing a new one? :S

    so updated drivers. No bad overclock am i correct. Games are optimized. Have you enabled anything that your card cant handle ( ultra shadow,high tressfx, etc)
  24. kunthakenthe said:
    so updated drivers. No bad overclock am i correct. Games are optimized. Have you enabled anything that your card cant handle ( ultra shadow,high tressfx, etc)

    Yep. Latest drivers (337.something) and no overclocking. But don't you think (unlike Crysis games) DAO and POP4 are the games which this mid-high end 770 should eeeeesily handle at Ultra/everything maxed-out 1080p? And especially when I don't do MSAA or any AA for that matter, over 4x??
  25. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    so updated drivers. No bad overclock am i correct. Games are optimized. Have you enabled anything that your card cant handle ( ultra shadow,high tressfx, etc)

    Yep. Latest drivers (337.something) and no overclocking. But don't you think (unlike Crysis games) DAO and POP4 are the games which this mid-high end 770 should eeeeesily handle at Ultra/everything maxed-out 1080p? And especially when I don't do MSAA or any AA for that matter, over 4x??


    your right about that a gtx 770 is a mid-high range card.

    see if this helps

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2012613/gtx-770-low-gpu-usage-fps-drops.html

    seems like thier core issues or something with gtx 770's and a cpu

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1973216/bf4-huge-frame-drops-gtx-770.html

    seems like the gtx 770 is having issues or something

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385484
  26. kunthakenthe said:
    rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    so updated drivers. No bad overclock am i correct. Games are optimized. Have you enabled anything that your card cant handle ( ultra shadow,high tressfx, etc)

    Yep. Latest drivers (337.something) and no overclocking. But don't you think (unlike Crysis games) DAO and POP4 are the games which this mid-high end 770 should eeeeesily handle at Ultra/everything maxed-out 1080p? And especially when I don't do MSAA or any AA for that matter, over 4x??


    your right about that a gtx 770 is a mid-high range card.

    see if this helps

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2012613/gtx-770-low-gpu-usage-fps-drops.html

    seems like thier core issues or something with gtx 770's and a cpu

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1973216/bf4-huge-frame-drops-gtx-770.html

    seems like the gtx 770 is having issues or something

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385484



    That is completely BF4's problem
  27. chimera201 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    so updated drivers. No bad overclock am i correct. Games are optimized. Have you enabled anything that your card cant handle ( ultra shadow,high tressfx, etc)

    Yep. Latest drivers (337.something) and no overclocking. But don't you think (unlike Crysis games) DAO and POP4 are the games which this mid-high end 770 should eeeeesily handle at Ultra/everything maxed-out 1080p? And especially when I don't do MSAA or any AA for that matter, over 4x??


    your right about that a gtx 770 is a mid-high range card.

    see if this helps

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2012613/gtx-770-low-gpu-usage-fps-drops.html

    seems like thier core issues or something with gtx 770's and a cpu

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1973216/bf4-huge-frame-drops-gtx-770.html

    seems like the gtx 770 is having issues or something

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=385484



    That is completely BF4's problem


    yeah but hes talking about multiple games and if he has bf4 this may help him.(sorry if it doesnt)
  28. kunthakenthe said:
    chimera201 said:
    That is completely BF4's problem


    yeah but hes talking about multiple games and if he has bf4 this may help him.(sorry if it doesnt)

    Haven't played BF4 yet.

    I've seen minor frame drops in almost all the games I've played, mostly being pre-2012. But this continuous and consistent drop, especially in most of those compact areas of "Deep Roads" (mines or something) in DAO has really been frustrating and annoying, considering the fact that I spent almost $500 on the GPU.
  29. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    chimera201 said:
    That is completely BF4's problem


    yeah but hes talking about multiple games and if he has bf4 this may help him.(sorry if it doesnt)

    Haven't played BF4 yet.

    I've seen minor frame drops in almost all the games I've played, mostly being pre-2012. But this continuous and consistent drop, especially in most of those compact areas of "Deep Roads" (mines or something) in DAO has really been frustrating and annoying, considering the fact that I spent almost $500 on the GPU.


    wait you spent 500$ ON A GTX 770 you got played. but how bad are the drops is it like normally 60fps when walking then when turning in a crowed area its like 40-45fps or is it 20fps. the first one is normal however the second one isnt
  30. also what temps are on the gpu it could be throttoling
  31. Actually I purchased it almost a year back and it's not onlyabout GTX 770 or any other GPU for that matter, everything is expensive like in any other corrupted-down-to-its-roots poor country know what I mean? Secondly, you're correct on "60fps normal and 40-45 crowded places". But 20fps and below is exclusive to the DAO example I gave above. It has happened only in those situations in a couple of games or so.

    That's the filthiest and nastiest part. Only once have I seen GPU temp touching 80C while gaming, and that too, again, in some pre-2012 game that I don't remember. But it happened only once! Else, never above 78C. I'm being very very specific here but that's actually the case. I used Afterburner/PrecisionX to increase the temp limit to 95, exactly assuming the same that it may be throttling the clocks due to the default 80C GPU Boost 2.0 limit or something, but that too for no good. My GPU turned back to me and said, nice try man! :)
  32. rlakhani11 said:
    Actually I purchased it almost a year back and it's not onlyabout GTX 770 or any other GPU for that matter, everything is expensive like in any other corrupted-down-to-its-roots poor country know what I mean? Secondly, you're correct on first two accounts. But 20fps and below is exclusive to the DAO example I gave above. It has happened only in those situations in a couple of games or so.

    That's the filthiest and nastiest part. Only once have I seen GPU temp touching 80C while gaming, and that too, again, in some pre-2012 game that I don't remember. But it happened only once! Else, never above 78C. I'm being very very specific here but that's actually the case. I used Afterburner/PrecisionX to increase the temp limit to 95, exactly assuming the same that it may be throttling the clocks due to the default 80C GPU Boost 2.0 limit or something, but that too for no good. My GPU tuned back and said, nice try man! :)

    huh so is fan speed at 100 thats a high temps for playing some old games. dipping down 20fps is also unacceptable.
  33. The reason behind gpu temp being this high could be the ambient temp which is mostly in high 20s or low 30s (sometimes mid 30s).

    As far as this 80C is concerned, I remember this being "MAX" temp that GPU-Z displayed, implying it touched 80C and was by no means average temp. But a more worrying factor now is that I somehow recalled the game in which it happened. It was indeed Prince of Persia 4 which not only was released in 2008, but its graphics are more like conceptual artwork in motion rather than standard heavy-duty graphics. How on earth the temp peaked so high in such a game, is beyond me.

    I purchased HAF 932 chassis and completed the switch just this morning. I can't say for sure that all this was due to the lack of optimal airflow; only time will tell.

    PS. I'm using the standard front/side 230mm fans for "in" and top 230mm/rear 140mm fans for "out", just in case you wanna know.


    EDIT: This could really sound like a stupid question, but is there any relation between high gpu temps with high cpu temps? My cpu temps have also been around high 70s but never 80 or above.
  34. rlakhani11 said:
    The reason behind gpu temp being this high could be the ambient temp which is mostly in high 20s or low 30s (sometimes mid 30s).

    As far as this 80C is concerned, I remember this being "MAX" temp that GPU-Z displayed, implying it touched 80C and was by no means average temp. But a more worrying factor now is that I somehow recalled the game in which it happened. It was indeed Prince of Persia 4 which not only was released in 2008, but its graphics are more like conceptual artwork in motion rather than standard heavy-duty graphics. How on earth the temp peaked so high in such a game, is beyond me.

    I purchased HAF 932 chassis and completed the switch just this morning. I can't say for sure that all this was due to the lack of optimal airflow; only time will tell.

    PS. I'm using the standard front/side 230mm fans for "in" and top 230mm/rear 140mm fans for "out", just in case you wanna know.


    EDIT: This could really sound like a stupid question, but Is there any relation between high gpu temps with high cpu temps? My cpu temps have also been around high 70s but never 80 or above.


    do you have haswell they run hot. I dont like the temps of your build at all. you probably should get some fans with high CFM which moves more air in/out. dont know why it did that let me think
  35. So, a couple of days' testing after installing HAF 932 and Hyper 212 +, I can say my 3770 has had miraculous fall in temps. Both HWMonitor and CoreTemp show:

    Idle = 35 36 35 39 (easily high 40s and sometimes low/mid 50s before)
    Prima95 1.5 hour Blend test = 63 68 65 63 (surely high 70s before)

    I was trying all the graphical mods for Watch Dogs yesterday and I did expect some improvement on the GPU part too due to the much better airflow of HAF. While my VRAM was getting choked badly (went up 2039MB max at 99% load), during the entire time I tested the game, I didn't see the temps going above 74C. So that's just a few degrees below the previous scenario.

    But man that's one reason to upgrade to 780 Ti right there. I tried Supersourav99's "Pure Visuals" mod which according to him is intended for 780 Ti SLI and R9 290X Tri-CF, and boy the game looks something I've never seen before. My 770 2GB did run it though, but not satisfyingly enough. For once I agree with Ubisoft's scaling down the PC version. But that's another discussion.
  36. rlakhani11 said:
    So, a couple of days' testing after installing HAF 932 and Hyper 212 +, I can say my 3770 has had miraculous fall in temps. Both HWMonitor and CoreTemp show:

    Idle = 35 36 35 39 (easily high 40s and sometimes low/mid 50s before)
    Prima95 1.5 hour Blend test = 63 68 65 63 (surely high 70s before)

    I was trying all the graphical mods for Watch Dogs yesterday and I did expect some improvement on the GPU part too due to the much better airflow of HAF. While my VRAM was getting choked badly (went up 2039MB max at 99% load), during the entire time I tested the game, I didn't see the temps going above 74C. So that's just a few degrees below the previous scenario.

    But man that's one reason to upgrade to 780 Ti right there. I tried Supersourav99's "Pure Visuals" mod which according to him is intended for 780 Ti SLI and R9 290X Tri-CF, and boy the game looks something I've never seen before. My 770 2GB did run it though, but not satisfyingly enough. For once I agree with Ubisoft's scaling down the PC version. But that's another discussion.


    get a r9 290 cf it will be boss and cheaper if your on a budget but if you have money you could get 780ti but f your sli'ing them i would recommended you the r9 295x2 same price,crossfired, and stronger
  37. kunthakenthe said:
    get a r9 290 cf it will be boss and cheaper if your on a budget but if you have money you could get 780ti but f your sli'ing them i would recommended you the r9 295x2 same price,crossfired, and stronger

    You meant to say 290x CF right?

    And yes actually I was also thinking about taking the 290 (non-X) CF route. It may not only cost me around the same (give or take $50), but it could also relieve me of GPU upgrades for at least a couple of years. Don't you think?
  38. rlakhani11 said:
    kunthakenthe said:
    get a r9 290 cf it will be boss and cheaper if your on a budget but if you have money you could get 780ti but f your sli'ing them i would recommended you the r9 295x2 same price,crossfired, and stronger

    You meant to say 290x CF right?

    And yes actually I was also thinking about taking the 290 (non-X) CF route. It may not only cost me around the same (give or take $50), but it could also relieve me of GPU upgrades for at least a couple of years. Don't you think?

    well the r9 290 is almost similar just a few fps less than a r9 290x and gtx 780ti for that matter. but if your trying sli'ing the gtx 780ti the r9 295x2 would be the same price,crossfired already(dual gpu you dont have to activate cf), and faster than a titan/780ti sli. r9 295x2 can max out crysis 3 at 4k. if your just going to buy one 780ti however you could just sli two 760's they scale well enough thier just as storng as it and if you overclock them enough they can become 770's. but r9 290 would be cheap if on budget or r9 295x2 if sli 780ti( 1600$ for two 780ti or r9 295x2 for same price with tax and shipping included)
  39. So what I've been able to conclude so far, is that in any case, Titan is not worth it for gaming ever just bcoz of its 6GB VRAM, which is its only selling point for gaming IMO. Now I can see why they couldn't put at least 4GB on 780 Ti, which every gamer/reviewer is talking about. 4GB 780 Ti would've badly restricted the Titan to be used only for development purposes.

    So I think I'll go for 780 Ti for now. Sticking with Nvidia for me is peace of mind all the way. Also, no matter how rarely PhysX is being used in games today, I'm all for it and can't go with Radeons at all :). I've got multiple options for 780 Ti too. But for that I'll start a new thread.

    Thank you very much to all my friends who enlightened me with their insights on the matter.
  40. rlakhani11 said:
    So what I've been able to conclude so far, is that in any case, Titan is not worth it for gaming ever just bcoz of its 6GB VRAM, which is its only selling point for gaming IMO. Now I can see why they couldn't put at least 4GB on 780 Ti, which every gamer/reviewer is talking about. 4GB 780 Ti would've badly restricted the Titan to be used only for development purposes.

    So I think I'll go for 780 Ti for now. Sticking with Nvidia for me is peace of mind all the way. Also, no matter how rarely PhysX is being used in games today, I'm all for it and can't go with Radeons at all :). I've got multiple options for 780 Ti too. But for that I'll start a new thread.

    Thank you very much to all my friends who enlightened me with their insights on the matter.



    welcome enjoy that baby
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