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Hello.
Last time I discussed about having an unlimited budget PC build; I now have a Windows 7, it's not that good but I doesn't need to be necessarily 'the best'. Just that it exceeds my needs.
I've asked a lot of people around YouTube and my big brother (who is a computer expert) and they said my biggest problem is the GPU.
I'd basically want something that can run any game, no framerate drop/lag, max settings, possibly with Skype and Chrome opened at the same time. (if I'm using Twitch, walkthrough, multiplayer chat etc.) Original idea was that it was under 1200 euros for GPU+CPU combined, but my big brother says I don't need to waste that much. That annoys me, but the biggest concern isn't the money. Even if it was 50 euros or something I couldn't probably afford for it until like after a month.
Also that they could run big programs like Adobe CC products and Sony Vegas 13.
In addition, I am lacking in HDD space, and I am looking for a suggestion of a 1TB HDD (NOT SDD) with higher than 7200RPM.
I am planning on making a website after I have finished my build.
I have also decided that I will be making videos with Action! by Mirillis or OBS, with 480-720p resolution. 1080p isn't really necessary. I will be using HandBrake to compress the videos, and Sony Vegas Pro to edit it, (I will be overediting most of the time, but not always) so it might take a lot of space.
People have said I probably should add more RAM (up to 16GB) but I think it's not going to be the end of the world with 8GB. If I have the money for it I'll buy it, you don't need to give any recommendations.
I don't want more than 1TB internal space because not a lot of 2TB have more than 7200RPM, and even then they're not that good. If I need more space I will buy external HDDs.
I also might do animation now and then, but I think if the build is good enough to handle gaming and editing then I think it will do fine with animation (Flash, that is of course)
If I someday, hypotethically saying, become rich, I could seek for better parts. But mainly the problem is the GPU and the CPU.

Sorry for the wall of text. Anyway, here are my specs:

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93GHz 40 °C
Wolfdale 45nm Technology
RAM: 4.00Gt Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 398MHz (6-6-6-18)
MOBO: Hewlett-Packard 2820h (XU1 PROCESSOR) 42 °C
GPU: DELL E1910 (1440x900@60Hz)
Intel Q33 Express Chipset Family (HP)
NOTE: I have two physical graphics cards, those are what I got when I bought this PC for 115 euros.
HDD: 149GB SAMSUNG HD161GJ ATA Device (SATA) 27 °C
Optical Drives: HUAWEI Mass Storage USB Device
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH40L ATA Device
Soundcard: High Definition Audio -device

UPDATE: Note that whatever you say, I care that the GPU is a NVidia card, and that the CPU is an Intel i7. Preferably with at least 3gHz and quad-core.
 
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You can try this. You won't find a 1Tb 10000rpm drive for under $200

Nothing from your old comp can really be used.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: PNY XLR8 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($136.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($55.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1243.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

EDIT: case is a placeholder you will have to pick your own.
 
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Hmmm... That's in dollars.
I can't buy from crap places like Newegg or Amazon. Only eBay.
Also real budget is under 1500 euros. I'm willing to go a little higher, since I'm saving and buying them one by one. I WILL get a HDD with 10000RPM.
I'm only 13 and I don't know how to get money. My mother doesn't trust the interweb and I can't get a job.
 
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My bad I just saw where you said euros. In that case you can bump the GPU to a 770 and still be in budget. I am afraid you will have to scour your local ebay for those parts though if that is the only place you can get them from.
 
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Oh, also I won't be overclocking. 4gHz for a CPU is lovely, but reviews say this one isn't really good...
Also, I asked for an NVidia GPU. GTX series seem to be good for everything.
Fine, 7200RPM. But I won't be getting an SSD. Video editors can't render if your computer contains even a trace of SSD.
And what do you mean by scour? eBay is wider than Amazon, since Amazon only ships to US. eBay ships worldwide.
 
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Why would you want a 10000 RPM drive you really have no use for it get a smaller SSD and larger HDD cheaper and better performance. Also I would save up the money first then start getting the parts. otherwise you will end up with a mismatched system.

What reviews are you reading the 4790K (haswell refresh) is as good as it gets before you end up in the $1000 range.
 
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Techspot's and Kitguru's reviews.
 
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I think you've misunderstood what they are saying. The CPU (iGPU still crap) is fine but they don't think it is any more than an incremental upgrade over haswell. In all fairness it isn't but it is the same price as haswell so there is no real reason to pick a haswell over the refresh if it is in the budget.
 
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Ah, I see. I was wondering if I could trade the overclocking ability for something better, I dunno, like for more threads or cores?
 
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That note about Newegg and Amazon being crap kinda bugged me because Ebay is the place where you'll get robbed of the most because its really hard to find a legitimate electronic and used ones are just a no no. Also I don't see why you need 10000RPM HDD, I see your trying to make your rendering faster but you need to realise a good CPU and GPU are also significant factors in the process of rendering but mostly the CPU but ultimately it will still take a while depending on what your rendering, some large rendering companies harness the power of several computers to lower the rendering time from a few months to a few days which is still a long time. The 4790K will more that satsify your needs for rendering and gaming, don't let reviewers turn you done, take it from a consumer's POV because they aren't biased liked some reviewers are. Coming from your Core 2 Duo the 4790K will blow anything you have out of proportion not to mention the stock 4.0Ghz clock.

Also I'm not sure where you heard that Video editing software don't like SSDs but thats crap. SSDs can be used to render projects while an HDD is where you can store these rendered projects.

Take my word for it, the kit that Spectre recommended you is spectacular however since your in euros you can upgrade even more. Exchange that 760 for a 770 and upgrade the PSU to an XFX 650W or any HX,TX or RM Corsair PSU above 650W
 
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That 4790K is a quad core meaning 4 cores, now its threaded which gives you 4 virtual cores, giving you 8 cores in total. What more do you need? your not building a top notch high processor to find the energy needed to bend space, your just doing video editing. the 4790K will be fine.
 
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I need you to forget threads, cores and GHz as the absolute measure of a CPU's performance. The processor design has far more to do with the performance than those do. For ex even the lowly i3-3217U (1.8GHz) is nearly the same performance as the C2D E7500 (2.93 GHz)

Now to answer your question:
Yes then non-K version is slightly cheaper as are the mobo's that go with it. (getting more threads and cores of the same generation cost more than the K unlocked processor does) You could also drop down a processor if you wanted. Really for your use though it sounds like an i5 will work just fine a 4690 which is a fair bit cheaper.
 
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I need you to forget threads, cores and GHz as the absolute measure of a CPU's performance. The processor design has far more to do with the performance than those do. For ex even the lowly i3-3217U (1.8GHz) is nearly the same performance as the C2D E7500 (2.93 GHz)

Now to answer your question:
Yes then non-K version is slightly cheaper as are the mobo's that go with it. (getting more threads and cores of the same generation cost more than the K unlocked processor does) You could also drop down a processor if you wanted. Really for your use though it sounds like an i5 will work just fine a 4690 which is a fair bit cheaper.
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I want an i7, but I guess I'll do it then. I just hope 80% of the money from the CPU you mentioned isn't because of the ability to overclock, because I don't wanna bother overclocking. It will explode my computer.
I'm not going to listen to BlankInsanity because he's being a real jerk. He goes jumping into conclusions telling I'm not going to use the computer to bend space. I'm a student wizard, you know
Anyway thanks for the build, but I will not buy an SSD, and I want an NVidia. Every other brand is a no-no.
 
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Ohk so you get tutored online if that what a "student wizard" is. I don't see how I'm being a real jerk. Your just being impractical with your money but.. that's none of my business. I'll leave it be. No one is forcing you to overclock and only the really expensive $1k CPUs are built around OCing, rarely. The 4790k is simply an unlocked which allows you to OC it, you can simpply get a non-k 4790 it'll share the same performance as a stock 4790k.

Also an unlocked CPU is roughly $20-$40 then a locked version of the same CPU. nowhere near 80% of the price of the CPU.

Two more questions, why no SSD? is it because reviewers said its bad for video editing?(I wonder where) and also why so hooked on Nvidia, I mean I love Nvidia but there are AMD orientated software out there, where your Nvidia card won't work best at.

Oh and lastly, you clearly don't know anything about overclocking if you think your going to "explode your computer"
 
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No, by student wizard I meant student wizard... You know, magic. I know it's unrelated to computers, but whatever.
I just want to know if there's a locked version of the same CPU, so I can save some money. By 'exploding my computer' I meant that it's like a smartphone battery: if you load it even when it's 100% and it starts to heat, the battery will be damaged and lose it's effiency, respective to overclocking. It was a metaphor, I wasn't actually expecting it to explode...
I have heard SSD's don't work properly with video editing because "SSD's don't move when they write files" or basically said that it doesn't write the files directly, only afterwards. I'm not sure if this 'rumor' is true, and even if I got an SSD I'm worried it won't fit in my case/hard to configure. I am going to build it myself. And I'm not sure if I'm going to use it... I use external HDD's for extra storage.
I want an NVidia because my brother (and a couple of other experts via YouTube) said that, no matter what, DO NOT CHOOSE ANYTHING ELSE THAN NVIDIA. And besides, it's like comparing Intel with AMD. AMD makes me feel like I need to throw up, even if they say it's better than an Intel. Please, just give me a NVidia GPU.
I feel insecure about the CPU cooler. I'm also afraid I will lose my files if I change the motherboard.
What about the case/PSU? Please don't say the USB's are in the back. It really breaks my OCD.
Now, what about the OD? Can I watch, burn, make etc. movies?

In summary, change GPU to NVidia, forget about SSD, change CPU to locked version, fetch more info about OD/MOBO/CPU cooler, the end, everyone's happy.

I'm only 13 so I don't know how I'm supposed to get the money... I need to make my build before next year.
 
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if you overclock a CPU yes, it damages it but no it won't lose it's effeciency, you'll only recognize problems after 6-8 years with the CPU being overclocked and by then your going to be upgrading your CPU anyway regardless of it being OCed or not. Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i7-4790-Processor-BX80646I74790/dp/B00J56YSLM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405703218&sr=8-1&keywords=4790

those 'experts' on youtube clearly aren't experts, because both Nvidia and AMD have their faults respectively. AMD creats card close in power to Nvidia cards at "half the price" however they are less efficient resulting in higher TDPs but this is solved by using any non-reference card, this is the ideal solution when you don't have a large budget for GPUs. Nvidia are alot more effecient resulting in lower TDPs but their cards can be very pricey. It's all up to you. I chose Nvidia because alot of developers are using their game works software.

On the SSDs term. Wether you have a 10000 RPM HDD or a 5400 RPM your rendering rate will remain the same, same goes for if you have an SSD. The rendering speed is dependant on the power of your CPU(which can be decreased by OCing signifcantly) so wether you buy an SSD, or an over-expensive HDD your rendering speed will remain the same.

Pleassee don't use external HDDs, I understand you want it for storage and backup purposes but your better off using a normal 7200 RPM HDD for primary use and maybe 2x 7200 RPM HDD in Raid 1 for storage, this is alot more safer, backup wise than an external HDD imo.

Your files are stored on your HDD, when using a new motherboard you have to either wipe your old HDD or get a new one an install your OS on that, then simply copy your old stuff over and re-install any software.

Your getting a high-end CPU so your going to want a high-end PSU. such as this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139054&cm_re=Corsair_RM-_-17-139-055-_-Product

The CPU cooler Spectre chose for you is a nice medium budget cooler than even Overclockers use, so expect great results on a locked CPU.

oh and yes the OD can burn, read and write.
 
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CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£214.99 @ Ebuyer)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£24.25 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£158.36 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£130.79 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.70 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£38.70 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (£229.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case (£89.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£82.00 @ Ebuyer)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1087.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

There you go, that should be way under 1500 euros. couldn't get a way to put the prices in euros but w.e, oh and don't buy from ebay -_-

*edited
you might wanna get some more fans to fill up all those fan slots, and if you want we can change that CPU cooler for a closed water loop
 
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