Can I cut this price?

memorycode · Jul 17, 2014

Basically I am going to build my own gaming pc and got a build off of a website/YouTuber (I have never done this before.. Forgive me.) I want this PC to be able to play games and record (mainly Minecraft, but also FPS games like Call of Duty) with steady frames. This PC should work I hope, but it is a little too high of a price for me. Can you cut it in any way with little to no differences?

Thank you so much... seriously.

List of parts: http://pastebin.com/An16d1f3

13thmonkey · Jul 17, 2014

depends what you are paying for them

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

This keeps the same components, but shaves $100 off:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/J8X97P
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/J8X97P/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($111.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $396.66

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

If you let us know what your actual budget is, we can make recommendations for changes.

Cheers!

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

Pastebin is blocked at work, so I cannot see your list. Sorry...

General tips: look for deals, using a site like PCPartpicker, or the specific store (e.g. Newegg) where you want to buy. Consider equivalent products, for example on video cards.
Avoid extra bling, and non-core parts that can be added later, like extra fans, LEDs, sound cards, etc.
Make sure your PSU isn't oversized (which adds cost). Use http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to figure your needs, rather than manufacturer recommendations, which attempt to account for liar-labeled junk. A 380W Antec Earthwatts is a much better PSU than a "650W" Diablotek.
Even if they are otherwise decent, avoid bang/buck Losers, no matter how often they are parroted, like the Hyper212 EVO CPU cooler, when a much cheaper near-equivalent exists (e.g. Masscool, NZXT, or Enermax).

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

Ah, now that I can see the list from volcanoscout, the only thing I'd change there on that budget is the PSU; the Corsair CX is made with inferior Samxon capacitors that do not tolerate heat well and have been cited for early failure.

memorycode · Jul 17, 2014

Thanks for all of the respones. My budget is but not limited to the 500-600 dollar range because I have to buy other components like a monitor, keyboard and dvd drive. Oh, and if you could in any way keep the merchant to only Amazon or Newegg that would be great.

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

Here it is with an Antec VP-450:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/j8v2WZ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/j8v2WZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.73 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($77.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($111.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $404.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I was going to wait until he came back with a budget, but it's only a few dollars difference

Gorgonzer · Jul 17, 2014

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zksvdC
Can go with an APU build. Still will be able to play and record your selected games, and save for a good card down the road. The budget only allows for a x4/260x max and thats pretty much basic entry level for gaming. With the APU you can get a respectable card in the future without wasting money on a gimpy GPU. The APU processor and the X4 are comparable performance wise.

Graphiicz · Jul 17, 2014

Onus :

While the capacitors aren't as good as some of the Japanese brands, they aren't terrible. I think it'd handle a R7 260X, so it's not a big problem if he's already bought it.

Here are a couple more good options:

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-power-supply-fdpsuin2b500w
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1450sx2b9

Although they're more expensive than the CX430.

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

Here it is with Amazon and Newegg:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4LByt6
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4LByt6/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($86.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($124.67 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $448.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

It's @ $44 more this way. The question now is, do you want this build at the lowest price possible, or do you want to upgrade to the $600 mark? There's plenty of room for maneuver there with variations on CPU, mobo, GPU, RAM and PSU.

I'm hoping the $600 mark doesn't include hard drives and peripherals - if it does, you will have to scale the build back some.

memorycode · Jul 17, 2014

Thanks for all the help once again. I have this build from volcano all from amazon. Is this a good build for Minecraft with recording or Call of Duty (or FPS games) with recording? I just want a reliable PC in the 500-600 range

. Overall with the OS, monitor, keyboard and dvd drive the price is $682. I dont want to go any higher, so is this ok?

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Rj76pg) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Rj76pg/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad760kwohlbox) | $84.74 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-a78me35) | $57.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit4g3d1609ds1s00) | $84.99
**Video Card** | [Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-1003662l) | $124.67 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-spec01redled) | $59.05 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Antec 450W ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-vp450) | $37.99 @ Amazon
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $449.43

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

With recording, I believe you will ultimately want a more powerful CPU, but I don't think you can cut anything to get it. I don't see a hard drive there either, or peripherals. You may need to increase your budget to allow you to start out with an i3 (planning to upgrade eventually to i5). You might look around on YouTube and see if people are able to successfully play and record those games with an Athlon X4.

Graphiicz · Jul 17, 2014

Anniversary Pentium with an Asus motherboard may be a good idea. They can overclock even on stock cooler.

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

That would be great to start, for playing OR recording, but with only two cores, I'm not how well it could handle both at the same time. It would be a fantastic experiment; I'd love to hear the results. I don't feel right asking someone to take a risk I wouldn't take myself though. One definite upside is the availability of substantial CPU upgrades.

Graphiicz · Jul 17, 2014

Onus :

Well Minecraft uses 2 cores I believe (maybe one, but certainly not more than two) and the G3258 has pretty good performance even at stock clock speeds. Even adding a cheap cooler such as the 212 Evo would probably get a decent overclock.

However, you're right about the recording aspect. However, if he wanted to he could try it out, and if it doesn't record too well, he can save up for a CPU upgrade. It's too early after the release to tell how well it does, unfortunately.

All depends on how desperate he is to start recording.

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

Masscool has a 120mm tower that cools almost as well (1C-3C) as the Hyper EVO, but is much cheaper. Xigmatek has a new 140mm cooler (if it will fit) that is only $30 right now. The Hyper 212 EVO isn't bad, but it is a bang/buck Loser that sells because it is parroted.

memorycode · Jul 17, 2014

So what I have now isn't a good recording/playing start? I have every part I need and am ready to order whenever.

Graphiicz · Jul 17, 2014

Onus :

Oh, believe me I am not a fan of the 212 Evo. If you've seen my other posts, you'll know that. I haven't bothered to look into low budget cooling because it simply isn't worth it in most cases. However, the G3258 is an exception for that since it overclocks so easily, and even a small boost in clock speed can have a noticeable difference.

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

Here's an Amazon list including upgrades including bumping the RAM, PSU, and GPU, which should give a nice bump to gaming and the PSU should last you through several years and upgrade cycles. It's more than you'll need, but head room is nice and it costs the same as lower tiered models that have less wattage. When you eventually upgrade your mobo and CPU, you can carry on with all the other components. Again, there's lots of wiggle room:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LLgC4D
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LLgC4D/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($194.67 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.05 @ Amazon)
Total: $595.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

memorycode · Jul 17, 2014

volcanoscout :

Here's an Amazon list including upgrades including bumping the RAM, PSU, and GPU, which should give a nice bump to gaming and the PSU should last you through several years and upgrade cycles. It's more than you'll need, but head room is nice and it costs the same as lower tiered models that have less wattage. When you eventually upgrade your mobo and CPU, you can carry on with all the other components. Again, there's lots of wiggle room:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LLgC4D
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/LLgC4D/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($194.67 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.05 @ Amazon)
Total: $595.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

That is way to expensive, I just dont have the money. What I have now, is that ok for gaming?

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

What you have now should be able to play games on "enjoyable" settings, probably mostly "High" for the specific games you listed. While there is no upgrade path for the CPU, there is for the graphics card, up to whatever you like.

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

For this build, I'd spend $20 on this and call it good - it'll fit (case clearance is 153mm, TX3 is 139mm), don't have to worry about RAM clearance, doesn't need a backplate, and has decent performance. :

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr910htx3g1

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

memorycode :

volcanoscout :

That is way to expensive, I just dont have the money. What I have now, is that ok for gaming?

I guess I misunderstood what you said about your budget. It'll be a decent gamer - not cutting edge, but no slouch either. The only thing missing from your final build is a hard drive.

volcanoscout · Jul 17, 2014

Okay, not sure how I missed the hdd in the previous lists. Here's an Amazon part list including it:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PdhYmG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PdhYmG/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($84.74 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A78M-E35 Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($80.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($124.67 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.05 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $495.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

This is $45 more than the list you liked, but can't do without a hard drive. You know, I can understand the attraction of ordering everything from one website, but you could save quite a bit by ordering from the other websites too - the price list includes tax and shipping, so there's no real benefit to limiting yourself even if you have Prime. In fact, you could sign up for the free introductory offer for the NetRunner(?) program at NewEgg and get the same free two-day shipping, then cancel your membership. Just sayin'....

Onus · Jul 17, 2014

Decent, but that case price looks high. I'd think you could find something like a Rosewill Challenger or even a Blackbone for around $40.

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