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July 19, 2014 9:42:26 PM

I am having framerate issues it seems regardless of what I try. There isn't a large framerate difference between low and extreme graphics for me.

When testing my GPU seems to lock at 50 percent and regardless of Unit size/Graphics settings CPU core 1 is always 100%.

I have all updated drivers and even bios.

System:
FX-4350 stock 4.2 ghz
8 gb 1333 mhz
Radeon HD 7950 3 gb
Toshiba 120 gb SSD
WD 1 TB HDD

Any ideas?

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July 19, 2014 10:05:53 PM

Dealer of Aces said:
I am having framerate issues it seems regardless of what I try. There isn't a large framerate difference between low and extreme graphics for me.

When testing my GPU seems to lock at 50 percent and regardless of Unit size/Graphics settings CPU core 1 is always 100%.

I have all updated drivers and even bios.

System:
FX-4350 stock 4.2 ghz
8 gb 1333 mhz
Radeon HD 7950 3 gb
Toshiba 120 gb SSD
WD 1 TB HDD

Any ideas?


Horrible multi-cpu implementation basically, it likes to use 1 main thread.

You are cpu bottlenecking. Overclocking your cpu is all you can do to gain some fps sadly.

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July 19, 2014 10:06:04 PM

Total war is highly dependent on CPU power and likes to have more cores so if you had say an FX-8320 you would likely get more FPS than your FX-4350. Although the best CPU for that games seems to be the i7-4960x ivybridge-E (not that most people can afford it) and it will likely love the new 8 core 16 thread i7 haswell 5960x series when it is released later this year.

Benchmarks to show effect of GPU vs CPU ->
http://www.overclock.net/t/1426315/gamegpu-total-war-ro...
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July 19, 2014 10:16:54 PM

caqde said:
Total war is highly dependent on CPU power and likes to have more cores so if you had say an FX-8320 you would likely get more FPS than your FX-4350. Although the best CPU for that games seems to be the i7-4960x ivybridge-E (not that most people can afford it) and it will likely love the new 8 core 16 thread i7 haswell 5960x series when it is released later this year.

Benchmarks to show effect of GPU vs CPU ->
http://www.overclock.net/t/1426315/gamegpu-total-war-ro...



So without replacing my processor theres nothing I can do :/  . What are the performance increases with getting an 8350?

And is it worth it to purchase a new motherboard and an i5 processor?
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July 19, 2014 10:34:09 PM

Dealer of Aces said:
caqde said:
Total war is highly dependent on CPU power and likes to have more cores so if you had say an FX-8320 you would likely get more FPS than your FX-4350. Although the best CPU for that games seems to be the i7-4960x ivybridge-E (not that most people can afford it) and it will likely love the new 8 core 16 thread i7 haswell 5960x series when it is released later this year.

Benchmarks to show effect of GPU vs CPU ->
http://www.overclock.net/t/1426315/gamegpu-total-war-ro...



So without replacing my processor theres nothing I can do :/  . What are the performance increases with getting an 8350?

And is it worth it to purchase a new motherboard and an i5 processor?








They have the 4350 benched, close to your fps?
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July 19, 2014 10:42:30 PM

Given what is on the benchmark graphs the CPU upgrade to an 8 Core 8350 would be about equivalent to getting an i5-2500K based on that benchmark. it should raise your fps a decent amount the Titan got and fps increase of 8 in the minimum (almost 80% boost) and 8FPS (about a 33% increase) avg over the FX-4300 when moving to an FX-8350. (the i5 gets 1fps min more and 4 avg more about 5% faster on average). Mind you it is still gonna be slow. Given how rough this game seems to be on hardware but it should be better than what you are dealing with now.

I'm not sure what improvements Ivybridge and Haswell might give over Sandybridge but it seems to get truly playable FPS in that game you would need an overclocked 6-core Sandybridge-E or Ivybridge-E.....
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July 19, 2014 10:58:54 PM

caqde said:
Given what is on the benchmark graphs the CPU upgrade to an 8 Core 8350 would be about equivalent to getting an i5-2500K based on that benchmark. it should raise your fps a decent amount the Titan got and fps increase of 8 in the minimum (almost 80% boost) and 8FPS (about a 33% increase) avg over the FX-4300 when moving to an FX-8350. (the i5 gets 1fps min more and 4 avg more about 5% faster on average). Mind you it is still gonna be slow. Given how rough this game seems to be on hardware but it should be better than what you are dealing with now.

I'm not sure what improvements Ivybridge and Haswell might give over Sandybridge but it seems to get truly playable FPS in that game you would need an overclocked 6-core Sandybridge-E or Ivybridge-E.....


A 5ghz 8350 will match a stock 2500k.


You need an overclocked i5 or better to begin to get playable fps.
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July 19, 2014 11:11:27 PM

maxalge said:
Dealer of Aces said:
caqde said:
Total war is highly dependent on CPU power and likes to have more cores so if you had say an FX-8320 you would likely get more FPS than your FX-4350. Although the best CPU for that games seems to be the i7-4960x ivybridge-E (not that most people can afford it) and it will likely love the new 8 core 16 thread i7 haswell 5960x series when it is released later this year.

Benchmarks to show effect of GPU vs CPU ->
http://www.overclock.net/t/1426315/gamegpu-total-war-ro...



So without replacing my processor theres nothing I can do :/  . What are the performance increases with getting an 8350?

And is it worth it to purchase a new motherboard and an i5 processor?








They have the 4350 benched, close to your fps?


That basically what i'm getting. Thanks, seems without paying out an arm and a leg the game blows for framerate.
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July 19, 2014 11:18:46 PM

FOLLOW UP QUESTION:

With those system specs what would be good settings to play at? More so, what settings particularly effect cpu performance?
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July 20, 2014 1:44:42 AM

Dealer of Aces said:
FOLLOW UP QUESTION:

With those system specs what would be good settings to play at? More so, what settings particularly effect cpu performance?


What resolution you want to play at?

Which specs?

The problem is the game itself is crappy cpu optimized. But basically army size is probably the killer of cpu's.
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July 20, 2014 10:23:10 AM

maxalge said:
Dealer of Aces said:
FOLLOW UP QUESTION:

With those system specs what would be good settings to play at? More so, what settings particularly effect cpu performance?


What resolution you want to play at?

Which specs?

The problem is the game itself is crappy cpu optimized. But basically army size is probably the killer of cpu's.



I play at 1080p since changing the resolution has never affected framerate. Currently my shadows are turned to low, water to low, sky to low, and the projectile thing turned to medium. Everything else is high with AA on AF 2x Textures ultra unit detail extreme. Still lag in battles 10x10 (with unit size at small)
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July 20, 2014 11:18:05 PM

I question when those GPU tests were made. last month or 1 month after release of Rome2? I get 70FPS on ULTRA with the following rig. Nothing is o/c'd. Only DOF and Vegetation shadows are OFF.
Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz 32 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 800MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
ASRock Z87 Extreme6 (CPUSocket) 36 °C
Graphics
ASUS VH236H (1920x1080@60Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (EVGA) 31 °C
Hard Drives
224GB Crucial_ Crucial_CT240M50 SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
932GB Seagate ST1000DM ST1000DM003-1CH1 SCSI Disk Device (SATA) 30 °C
Optical Drives
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223L SCSI CdRom Device

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July 21, 2014 12:12:03 PM

DelroyMonjo said:
I question when those GPU tests were made. last month or 1 month after release of Rome2? I get 70FPS on ULTRA with the following rig. Nothing is o/c'd. Only DOF and Vegetation shadows are OFF.
Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i5 4670K @ 3.40GHz 32 °C
Haswell 22nm Technology
RAM
8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 800MHz (11-11-11-28)
Motherboard
ASRock Z87 Extreme6 (CPUSocket) 36 °C
Graphics
ASUS VH236H (1920x1080@60Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (EVGA) 31 °C
Hard Drives
224GB Crucial_ Crucial_CT240M50 SCSI Disk Device (SSD)
932GB Seagate ST1000DM ST1000DM003-1CH1 SCSI Disk Device (SATA) 30 °C
Optical Drives
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223L SCSI CdRom Device



I believe nvidia released drivers specifically to help their cards in rome 2.

Those benches were on a 7970.


Intel + nvidia = massive fps boosts in rome 2. Like you said went from low 40's @ high to beyond 60fps @ ultra 1080p.
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