GTX 780 vs GTX 770

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I was thinking of getting the GTX 770 4gb because it has more vram than the 780 I want since games may start using more vram. I want this for longevity too, which GPU could play games at Ultra still in the future? The GTX 770 4gb or 780 3gb?
Is that extra vram worth it for the 770?
And which brand of 780 should I get if I do get a 780?
 
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As far as I know, the 770 won't be able to utilize all that 4 GB VRAM properly due to its 256-bit memory bus. The 780 has a 384-bit bus, allowing more effective VRAM usage. Also, the 780 should last you longer than the 770 because it is superior in almost every aspect. I'd say spend a bit more than a 4 GB 770 to get a 3 GB 780.

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As far as I know, the 770 won't be able to utilize all that 4 GB VRAM properly due to its 256-bit memory bus. The 780 has a 384-bit bus, allowing more effective VRAM usage. Also, the 780 should last you longer than the 770 because it is superior in almost every aspect. I'd say spend a bit more than a 4 GB 770 to get a 3 GB 780.
 
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^ This. Nothing more to say really.
 
The width of the memory bus has nothing to do with how much VRAM can be utilized.
The amount of VRAM used will depend on resolution and detail of the game.
3GB is plenty up to 2560x1440 resolution.

The only reason to choose a 4GB GTX 770 is for SLI.
The GTX 780 is a much better card.

As mentioned above, the R9 290 is faster and cheaper than the GTX 780 but it is hotter and doesn't have Nvidia specific features.
If you don't have a brand preference and don't need Nvidia specific features, it would be a better choice.
Make sure though that any R9 290 you look at has a good cooler.
 

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In my opinion Asus is #1 however there are other good brands for Video cards like EVGA, MSI and Zotac to name a few...

I would stay far away from Gigabyte graphics cards!
 


Most people would stay away from Zotac.
Gigabyte make great quality cards.
Asus are usually quieter, but more expensive.
 

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I disagree, Zotac make great reference cards...
I'm not sure about their non reference cards however Zotac is a much bigger player in the Graphics Card business than Gigabyte.
I find that their cards are high quality.

Gigabyte is more known for their Motherboards however i'm not a fan of their graphics cards...
I will never buy a Gigabyte graphics card again!

Asus is the best in my opinion however if you can find a Zotac reference card for a 100 dollars cheaper you should consider it.

 

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How did Zotac become one of the worlds largest graphics producers if most people avoid them?

Below is their story from the website

http://www.zotac.com/about-us.html

Established in 2006, ZOTAC is the world’s largest and most innovative manufacturer of graphics cards, mini-ITX motherboards and mini-PCs. ZOTAC system components, and mini-PCs can be found in all continents around the globe.
Derived from the terms “zone,” for being distinct in the PC components and systems business, and “tact,” for our superior skill, experience, quality and manufacturing capabilities. Combined, “ZOTAC,” represents technological strength and experience blended with a fresh approach on the industry’s ever-changing needs.
ZOTAC entered the market with an expanded lineup of NVIDIA® GeForce® based graphics cards, which included the passive-cooled ZOTAC GeForce® ZONE Editions and class leading overclocked ZOTAC GeForce® AMP! Editions, in addition to the standard GeForce® series lineup. ZOTAC has since expanded its focus to include motherboards, mini-PCs and innovative accessories worldwide.
ZOTAC products are manufactured to the most rigorous quality standards that combine world-class quality control, reliability, features and performance with superior end-user and channel support.
With 44 SMT lines, over 6,000 workers and a combined 100,000 square-meters of factory space, ZOTAC features a full array of state-of-the-art facilities and machineries. In addition, ZOTAC has over 130 R&D professionals in Hong Kong, China with warranty and service centers in strategic countries to enable effective and efficient worldwide as well as localized sales and marketing support.
Since the introduction of ZOTAC into the PC components, ZOTAC products continually win awards from influential media all around the globe and continually exceed customer and journalist expectations.
The ZOTAC commitment to our customers is to bring the latest products and technologies to the market with superior value and quality. Needless to say, ZOTAC is the right choice for high-quality and high-performance components with exceptional value.
 


I don't know how they measure "largest". Gigabyte and Asus have been around a lot longer and virtually every computer outlet stocks both. They have a well founded reputation based on selling reliable products over many years. I find it hard to believe Zotac would manage to sell anywhere near as many graphics cards as either of those manufacturers. I would expect them to be competing more with manufacturers like Galaxy or Powercolor.
 

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Your opinions and expectations are not factual...

Gigabyte is a 2nd largest player in the Mother board business however their graphics business isn't very large.
People sometimes mix up the two categories and Assume Gigabyte is a big player however when it come to graphics cards even MSI is a bigger player than Gigabyte.

Below is info from softpedia


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Like everywhere else, there is a lot of competition on the motherboard industry, as companies race against the others in their quest to secure contracts and enchant customers.

ASUS has led in terms of shipments for quite some time, but Gigabyte is a close second. A very close second if recent reports are to be believed.

During the first quarter, Gigabyte shipped 4.9 million motherboards, just a little behind ASUS' 5 million.

Thus, by the end of the year (2013), ASUS may very well be relegated to second place.

Since the two accounted for 47% of the total motherboard market in 2012 (40 million), the change in ranking won't really affect consumers much, although the reputation of being “the best” could color opinions here and there.

That said, ASRock will probably keep the third spot, unless MSI somehow supplants it (in 2012, they shipped 7 and 6 million, respectively
 

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Is there any legitimate source you—or anyone—can cite for this myth? I see it perpetuated everywhere, and it doesn't change the fact that my GTX 770 reports 3.8 GB of VRAM in use in Watch Dogs. Bandwidth has nothing to do with capacity.

That being said, I cannot recommend the 4 GB GTX 770. It costs the same as some R9 290's, which are faster AND come with 4 GB in their default configuration. Skip the 780 entirely unless you're gaming at 1440p. R9 280X or GTX 770 2 GB for 1080p.
 

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Gigabyte is not good at this generation - they have tons of issues with both Radeons and GeForces - I was about to buy Gigabyte and then I read all the forum posts with TONS of issues their boards having and I am happy I did not go for it.

Asus is always great, MSI is decent.

Don't touch EVGA - they are major assholes with the way they treated their old developer with new PrecisionX.
 

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if you want a 770, I would reference the zotac gtx 770 amp, it has been an amazing card for me, however I have had problems with the fans which is apparently common with zotac cards.
 

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What type of problems with the fans?

 

Mahisse

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I'm sorry I may misunderstand your post. Are you saying that you are recommending a card that you had personally issues with? That doesn't compute :D
 

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After a lot of use, around 7-12 hours a day for 4 months, they have begun to make loud buzzing noises, its start out quiet, but after a few hours becomes louder then the rest of the case fans and CPU cooler. I have been told it may be lubrication problem where it is wearing out, but I am going to try and get it replaced as I really love the card


 

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Well the card is great itself, its performance has been outstanding, haven't had any problems running any games. But i have had my own problems with the fans yes. If we are supposed to help someone with a choice, is it not good to state both the bad and good sides of it?
 

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Asus and EVGA SC ACX are the coolest running cards (usually at similar temperatures in real-life scenarios) while MSI twin frozr cards tend to run the quietest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIl-W4hqrA I would personally go for the EVGA SC ACX or the EVGA FTW ACX if you can afford that

The difference in performance between the gtx 780 and gtx 770 is about 10-15 frames in 1080p and higher at higher resolutions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQAbBU43mpo

The only reason to choose an nvidia card over an AMD one is physx and sometimes power consumption, but in this case with high ends cards its physx. If you want physx grimmjow660, then go for nvidia, if you dont want physx then go for AMD no questions asked. AMD does provide better price: performance
physx supported games as of now:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geforce.co.uk%2Fhardware%2Ftechnology%2Fphysx%2Fgames&ei=L8PPU7iYJ5CV7Ab3r4GICA&usg=AFQjCNE3TUN5Yr4-onO-7UCeTZrcTyqYKw&bvm=bv.71667212,d.ZWU

Now the question of whether to choose a gtx 780 or 770. only real-purpose of the gtx 780 is the ability to play at higher resolutions like 2560x1440p on a single card. A gtx 770 is fine for resolutions upto 1920x1200, it'll barely scrape 2560x1440p but will not handle things like Metro last light at everything maxxed out.
So bottomline is if you want to play at resolutions at or above 2560x1440p in the near future (before october/ november because thats when the gtx 8xx series is rumoured to come out) get a gtx 780 3gb card if you can afford it.
If you dont currently have the budget then getting a 4gb gtx 770 ready for sli might be a better option for when you do have the budget

EDIT: forgot to mention the gtx 770 will indeed be unable to utilize all that 4gb of vram, the gpu simply isnt powerful enough to demand that much vram. However for sli configurations 4gb per card is what your looking for. Because SLI is weird. when you sli two 4gb cards, your total effective vram will still only be 4gb
 


This is the second time you have copied and pasted a huge slab of irrelevant text.
Zotac history blurb from their website tells you nothing about their quality.
This slab of text states Gigabyte is the second largest motherboard manufacturer but contains no information at all about their graphics business.

lewisdc then states that the card performance is great but the fans are causing problems. The performance of the card is very similar to any other card with the same chipset and memory configuration from any other manufacturer. The differences between the manufacturers is in the quality of components used (e.g. capacitors) and the cooling solutions they provide. I'd be interested to see articles supporting his statement "problems with the fans which is apparently common with zotac cards", but if that is the case it is a very good reason to choose another manufacturer. The performance will always be very similar between manufacturers, quality is where they differ potentially affecting reliability.
 

mr91

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PC Partner owns Zotac and other graphics card manufacturers...

Check out the article below...

http://www.techpowerup.com/182893/palit-and-pc-partner-beat-asus-in-graphics-card-market-share.html

The information I'm providing is relevant and I hope you can connect the dots and learn something...

lewisdc has some problems with his fans however Gigabyte has tons of problems such as coil whine and other strange noises coming from the fan.

Just Google it and you will find many articles.

Sometimes cards from other manufacturers also have problems with their non reference solutions....

That's why I recommend an Asus gtx 780 for the OP because there is a lower chance that there will be problems.

" BTW the gtx 780 is a much better choice than the gtx 770 2 and 4 gb in my opinion"

I've tested many Zotac reference cards and I have some friends that own Zotac reference cards and they are really happy with them.

As I said earlier I have no experience with the Zotac non reference cooler and can't comment.