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Is there any Xeon Processor which can over kill I7 4960X

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July 21, 2014 10:35:30 PM

so the title said it all....
can any xeon processors overkill i7 extreme? and will it cheaper than the i7 extreme which cost around MYR3k in my country?
because i heard Xeon is kidda cheap even the E3 1231V3 can easily better than an i7

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July 21, 2014 10:38:12 PM

um, I know there are xeon E5s that will but I doubt that they are less than $1000.
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July 21, 2014 11:07:37 PM

In a way yes, but in a way no. E3 series processors are about the same as i5's and i7's depending on the model in terms of performance, just in Xeon form. Their costs can be a little more expensive or a little less than the 2 consumer models in general. There is a model that matches the i7-4770, but the E3 is Haswell socket only.

Where Xeon can really beat the extreme series i7's is in their E5 and E7 lines which run on the big sockets (LGA2011), but they can get just as ludicrously expensive as the extremes just to match their performance. Yes, there are 6-cores in the E5 line that cost only $400-500, but that comes at the expense of like 1 GHz of clock speed. The E5's that probably are better all cost between $1000-2000 and you have to pay over $3000 just to get the cheapest i7 according to Intel's product site.

So in general, can the Xeon beat the i7 Extremes? Yes, but not in a cost-effective way (for the average consumer at least). There are equivalent models (E5 series) that cost about the same as the extremes, and models equivalent (E3 series) to the i7-4770/4790 that cost about the same and perform as well, but why bother then? I'd just go with the i7 line.

There are also little specific features such as ECC memory compatibility that the Xeons support vs i7s, but it's probably not important to most people.
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August 8, 2014 4:18:13 PM

Gunmetal_61 said:
There are also little specific features such as ECC memory compatibility that the Xeons support vs i7s, but it's probably not important to most people.


If you're doing anything important with your computer, ECC RAM support should be very important to you. There's a reason why just about every server and workstation class computer today uses ECC RAM. I won't waste time by trying to paraphrase what so many others have already said and written. I'll just provide a link to a good article on the topic:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Advantages-of...
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August 8, 2014 9:49:49 PM

But sorry I wasn't too specific this PC is build for gaming uses . But still does socket 1150 mobo support ECC ram?
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August 8, 2014 10:00:01 PM

You don't need ECC ram for gaming. It's prohibitively expensive, and slower. it's only for business applications where you have to make sure every bit of data is accurate.

Why do you want to use an extreme series CPU for gaming anyways? It's overkill. The NOTICEABLE performance difference in game between it and an i5 isn't really.... noticeable.
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August 8, 2014 10:01:47 PM

Obviously for showing off in my school and among my friend
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August 8, 2014 10:12:01 PM

VGlead98 said:
Obviously for showing off in my school and among my friend


Showing off that you're bad with money?

You could just set it on fire in front of them as well.
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August 8, 2014 11:35:33 PM

James Mason said:
VGlead98 said:
Obviously for showing off in my school and among my friend


Showing off that you're bad with money?

You could just set it on fire in front of them as well.


^This.

I was waiting for someone to finally say that ECC is unneeded. If it was, then all motherboards would come standard with it. Heck, today, not even the most expensive $400 gaming motherboards have it. Having a few bits flipping in a calculation for a virtual gunshot is going to do nothing. That's why the consumer processors don't even support ECC.

I don't mean this in an offensive way, but if you really care about showing off to your friends, spend more to buy a better/second graphics card or get a fancy case and decorate it with lights and water cooling loops. It's not wise to get anything more than an i7-4770K/i7-4790K, but even that is overpowered. Buy an FX-8320 or an i5-4670K/4690K (I assume you know how to overclock...), it'll be more than sufficient. Any motherboard that costs north of $200 will have severely diminishing returns for each additional dollar spent. I'm guessing that most of your friends (especially since they're still in school) aren't going to notice the subtle differences in chip arrangement on the RAM, the different capacitors on the motherboard, etc., so the massive LGA2011 X79 board that you're talking about right now with all these fancy features looks exactly the same to them. You can't even see what CPU in the socket. It's covered by the heatsink.

The general sentiment I find between my gamer friends at school (yes, I am in high school) is that they are very naive in terms of understanding hardware. "i5 sucks, get the i7," is something I hear way too much of. Marketing has driven people to understand that bigger numbers are better, but there is a threshold to what is reasonably powerful and economical for you to buy. For example, the GTX 760 ($250 US) is more than enough for most people, so why waste $2000 on a dual GTX Titan ($1000 US per card) setup which would deliver at best only slightly better perceptible results? Understand that the ultra-high performance equipment is for those that absolutely need it in this day and age. If you wait for as little as even two years, you might find that the cheapest GPU or CPU at that time is as good as the fastest and most expensive one available today. Get what you need, not what you dream of.

You're still living with your parents, right? Be wary of how you spend their money or the money you earned. I would say that you shouldn't spend more than $1,500 on the entire thing.

I'm sorry if this appears jumbled and anger-driven, but I'm just pointing out to you that your level of reasons, needs, and circumstances don't match the level of components we're talking about. Believe me, when I was building my first PC, I had my hopes, but they were dialed down. My parents as of now haven't let me even get a graphics card.
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August 9, 2014 12:38:25 AM

James Mason said:
You don't need ECC ram for gaming. It's prohibitively expensive, and slower. it's only for business applications where you have to make sure every bit of data is accurate.


It's not "prohibitively expensive." I can get a 16GB pair of name-brand, high-quality ECC registered DDR3 DIMMS for my workstation for well under $200. It's about $20-$30 more than that much non-ECC gamer RAM.

ECC RAM is for system stability and reliability, not business data 'accuracy.' Uncorrected bit-flips in RAM can cause corruption of the in-memory OS and applications, not just data on which programs operate. That leads to crashes. That's why you will find ECC RAM used in everything from Cisco switches to Twitter's servers to the computers doing rendering for the gaming, movie, and CAD industries.


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August 9, 2014 12:59:17 AM

Gunmetal_61 said:
I was waiting for someone to finally say that ECC is unneeded. If it was, then all motherboards would come standard with it.

Computer companies are happy to make cheap products for cheap consumers. If what you are doing has no real value and system stability isn't important to you, then go cheap. What I said was that it was the right choice if you do anything important.

Gunmetal_61 said:
Heck, today, not even the most expensive $400 gaming motherboards have it. Having a few bits flipping in a calculation for a virtual gunshot is going to do nothing.

The bits that flipped just changed an instruction and crashed your entire computer part way through a write to your hard drive. I was probably doing electrical engineering before you were born, writing software and firmware in assembly language, so I am very aware of how devastating a bit-flip in the wrong place can be.
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August 9, 2014 1:29:47 AM

fmaxwell said:
Gunmetal_61 said:
I was waiting for someone to finally say that ECC is unneeded. If it was, then all motherboards would come standard with it.

Computer companies are happy to make cheap products for cheap consumers. If what you are doing has no real value and system stability isn't important to you, then go cheap. What I said was that it was the right choice if you do anything important.

Gunmetal_61 said:
Heck, today, not even the most expensive $400 gaming motherboards have it. Having a few bits flipping in a calculation for a virtual gunshot is going to do nothing.

The bits that flipped just changed an instruction and crashed your entire computer part way through a write to your hard drive. I was probably doing electrical engineering before you were born, writing software and firmware in assembly language, so I am very aware of how devastating a bit-flip in the wrong place can be.


Fair enough. I respect your point of view.
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August 9, 2014 3:19:37 AM

Gunmetal_61 said:
Fair enough. I respect your point of view.

That was a very courteous reply and an admirable gesture. Thank you.


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