Should I upgrade from AMD FX-4300 to FX-6300?
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 5:06:36 AM
Hi,
Its either do it, or dont. No "get that one instead" etc. Just making that clear, im ina hurry atm.
Atm, I have AMD FX-4300 OC'ed to 4.4GHz, and im thinking of getting the FX-6300, and got plans on OC'ing that one aswell. My main reason is that Im looking for increased performance in BF4, aka more FPS.
So, is it worth it? I mean, will I notice any difference? Cuz if not, then I'd skip it.
Current Setup:
AMD FX-4300, 4.4GHz
8GB 1600MHz RAM
Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB DUAL-X OC
Cooler Master 650w PSU bronze cert....
Its either do it, or dont. No "get that one instead" etc. Just making that clear, im ina hurry atm.
Atm, I have AMD FX-4300 OC'ed to 4.4GHz, and im thinking of getting the FX-6300, and got plans on OC'ing that one aswell. My main reason is that Im looking for increased performance in BF4, aka more FPS.
So, is it worth it? I mean, will I notice any difference? Cuz if not, then I'd skip it.
Current Setup:
AMD FX-4300, 4.4GHz
8GB 1600MHz RAM
Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB DUAL-X OC
Cooler Master 650w PSU bronze cert....
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 5:12:50 AM
Crap... I've looked forward for this upgrade...
I only play on 64slot server, but that doesnt matter? Basically, I must upgrade my GPU inorder to gain any FPS?..
So.. Should I get more RAM...? Buy an SSD? I have a 5400RPM 2,5'' HDD that sucks arse and makes clicking noise, lol...
But SSD wont get me more FPS
I only play on 64slot server, but that doesnt matter? Basically, I must upgrade my GPU inorder to gain any FPS?..
So.. Should I get more RAM...? Buy an SSD? I have a 5400RPM 2,5'' HDD that sucks arse and makes clicking noise, lol...
But SSD wont get me more FPS
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 5:23:18 AM
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July 23, 2014 5:30:00 AM
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July 23, 2014 6:01:02 AM
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TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 6:16:15 AM
I'm going to make you a happy camper. If you already have one 270x, just get another one instead. Two 270x in Crossfire equals one 290x. Your mobo is great for AM3+ and it supports dual x16. Your PSU might not be enough for both those cards though. Either way, buying a 280x when you already have a 270x is a waste. You will get much better performance with the two 270x than just one 280x.
With two 270x, you can always get the 8350/8320 later! Your CPU will get you 60+ frames with those cards in Crossfire on Ultra (may have to adjust AA).
With two 270x, you can always get the 8350/8320 later! Your CPU will get you 60+ frames with those cards in Crossfire on Ultra (may have to adjust AA).
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TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 6:35:29 AM
What do you mean games that do not support Crossfire? A game will use the available GPUs as the settings are increased. I have not played a game that simply did not use my second GPU. For example, Crysis 3 uses 99% of both GPUs. While BF3 only uses around 60% of my second GPU. The way Crossfire works the same way a single card works, they increase performance based upon the demand placed on them.
And you obviously have no experience with the 270x's. They literally equal a 290x. So if you consider a 290x to be ok, then that's your opinion.
270x=2GB; 1280 stream processors; 286-bit all that time two equals 4GB; 2560 stream processors; 512-bit.
290x=4GB; 2816 stream processors; 512-bit.
They both have same clock speeds (which can be adjusted anyway in AMD overdrive). The only difference is a 290x has 256 more stream processors. Go with the 270x and watch your gaming performance skyrocket!
And you obviously have no experience with the 270x's. They literally equal a 290x. So if you consider a 290x to be ok, then that's your opinion.
270x=2GB; 1280 stream processors; 286-bit all that time two equals 4GB; 2560 stream processors; 512-bit.
290x=4GB; 2816 stream processors; 512-bit.
They both have same clock speeds (which can be adjusted anyway in AMD overdrive). The only difference is a 290x has 256 more stream processors. Go with the 270x and watch your gaming performance skyrocket!
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 6:36:44 AM
you do know that vram does NOT add when running in crossfire, right? you obviously have no experience with a 270x crossfire. it will not perform aswel and a 290x, otherwise people would just get 2 270x's and save $100 from a 290x. also, only newer-ish games support crossfire, otherwise, the second card is disabled, and if you force it to run, then you will get less performance than 1 card. also, the bandwidth of cards does not double in crossfire, and the performance in crossfire supported games does not scale 100%. please, dont suggest things to someone when you are not entirely sure what you are even talking about.
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July 23, 2014 6:40:09 AM
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July 23, 2014 6:42:22 AM
TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 6:47:14 AM
Danbuscus25 said:
you do know that vram does NOT add when running in crossfire, right? you obviously have no experience with a 270x crossfire. it will not perform aswel and a 290x, otherwise people would just get 2 270x's and save $100 from a 290x. also, only newer-ish games support crossfire, otherwise, the second card is disabled, and if you force it to run, then you will get less performance than 1 card. also, the bandwidth of cards does not double in crossfire, and the performance in crossfire supported games does not scale 100%. please, dont suggest things to someone when you are not entirely sure what you are even talking about.Dude, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! I have two 270x and my second GPU has never been disabled when gaming. And to conclude that "everyone" will do it is not even a point. Some people spends hundreds of dollars more on an Intel CPU for gaming. That is not the most economical, but who cares.
And your statement about VRAM is simply WRONG! LOL That is exactly what happens when you use two GPUs. That is the point! Even in Max Payne 3, when you adjust settings, it shows you how much VRAM each setting uses, it shows that I have 4GB (from both of my cards).
And your performance is NEVER decreased with the second card. Dude, please get your facts correct. Please Google Crossfire to learn how it works. The VRAM and bandwidth are increased.
What "newish" games are you referring? My performance in EVERY game I own increased dramatically when I got my second 270x. You obviously have never Crossfired. You are only going off what you think you know from reading threads online!
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 6:47:45 AM
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Danbuscus25 said:
you do know that vram does NOT add when running in crossfire, right? you obviously have no experience with a 270x crossfire. it will not perform aswel and a 290x, otherwise people would just get 2 270x's and save $100 from a 290x. also, only newer-ish games support crossfire, otherwise, the second card is disabled, and if you force it to run, then you will get less performance than 1 card. also, the bandwidth of cards does not double in crossfire, and the performance in crossfire supported games does not scale 100%. please, dont suggest things to someone when you are not entirely sure what you are even talking about.Dude, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! I have two 270x and my second GPU has never been disabled when gaming. And to conclude that "everyone" will do it is not even a point. Some people spends hundreds of dollars more on an Intel CPU for gaming. That is not the most economical, but who cares.
And your statement about VRAM is simply WRONG! LOL That is exactly what happens when you use two GPUs. That is the point! Even in Max Payne 3, when you adjust settings, it shows you how much VRAM each setting uses, it shows that I have 4GB (from both of my cards).
And your performance is NEVER decreased with the second card. Dude, please get your facts correct. Please Google Crossfire to learn how it works. The VRAM and bandwidth are increased.
What "newish" games are you referring? My performance in EVERY game I own increased dramatically when I got my second 270x. You obviously have never Crossfired. You are only going off what you think you know from reading threads online!
*palm face* http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/97541-why-doesnt-yo...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1868829/sli-incr...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321514
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=592231
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-discussion-100000...
http://www.overclock.net/t/953772/list-of-games-that-do... not full list
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2083939/solution...
you need to do more research on what you buy, either that or you are trolling me right now.
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TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 6:54:21 AM
Alanthor said:
Heey, just a thought. What would happend if I keep my current GPU aswell, AND the new one ima buy? Can I like, combine them and get combined performance? xD..Or no, then I need new PSU xDThat is what I was trying to tell you. Get another 270x and run it with your current 270x. The 280x and 270x are not compatible. If you get a 280x, you will have spent an extra $100 for it and your current GPU will be useless. They come with the Crossfire bridge. You literally just pop it in, uninstall and reinstall drivers, then enable CrossfireX in Catalyst Control Center.
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July 23, 2014 6:57:34 AM
TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 6:58:22 AM
Danbuscus25 said:
TheLastof Me said:
Danbuscus25 said:
you do know that vram does NOT add when running in crossfire, right? you obviously have no experience with a 270x crossfire. it will not perform aswel and a 290x, otherwise people would just get 2 270x's and save $100 from a 290x. also, only newer-ish games support crossfire, otherwise, the second card is disabled, and if you force it to run, then you will get less performance than 1 card. also, the bandwidth of cards does not double in crossfire, and the performance in crossfire supported games does not scale 100%. please, dont suggest things to someone when you are not entirely sure what you are even talking about.Dude, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! I have two 270x and my second GPU has never been disabled when gaming. And to conclude that "everyone" will do it is not even a point. Some people spends hundreds of dollars more on an Intel CPU for gaming. That is not the most economical, but who cares.
And your statement about VRAM is simply WRONG! LOL That is exactly what happens when you use two GPUs. That is the point! Even in Max Payne 3, when you adjust settings, it shows you how much VRAM each setting uses, it shows that I have 4GB (from both of my cards).
And your performance is NEVER decreased with the second card. Dude, please get your facts correct. Please Google Crossfire to learn how it works. The VRAM and bandwidth are increased.
What "newish" games are you referring? My performance in EVERY game I own increased dramatically when I got my second 270x. You obviously have never Crossfired. You are only going off what you think you know from reading threads online!
*palm face* http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/97541-why-doesnt-yo...
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1868829/sli-incr...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321514
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=592231
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/pc-mac-discussion-100000...
http://www.overclock.net/t/953772/list-of-games-that-do... not full list
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2083939/solution...
you need to do more research on what you buy, either that or you are trolling me right now.
Dude, you sent links of others spitting their garbage opinions just like you! I know what I have and have seen the performance increase. Before, with just one card, I could not run Titanfall on Insane texture because it required 3GB of VRAM. With both cards I can run it. Also, on Max Payne 3, it clearly shows that I have 4GB VRAM. Max Payne 3 lets you see how much VRAM is used for every setting changed. Also, here is a link to the r9-295x2. It clearly shows the specs of two r9-290x combined! Unless you know more than AMD that makes these cards, or games like Max Payne 3 that clearly shows how much VRAM the game is actually using.
But it is not a surprise you simply quoted anonymous bloggers. They just spit their opinions like you do. Actually use the hardware before you try to explain how it works!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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i never said to run the 280x AND the 270x, i said get the 280x, and sell the 270x. a 270x crossfire would only have 2gb vram, 256-bit bus, it would not scale 100%, it is not supported by all games, and has issues with microstutter, it will use more power, produce more heat, use more pcie lanes, and he would need a new psu aswell.
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http://forums.anandtech.com/archive/index.php/t-2157696...
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/why-cant-cros...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1365868/please-does-vram-sta...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2010010605...
when you have 2 270x's, there will be 4gb physical vram, 2gb usable vram, as the current vram from the top card is mirrored to the vram of the bottom card. do you really think all these people are lying? if so, go ahead and make a thread on here asking 'does vram add when you run 2 graphics cards in crossfire' and i GUARANTEE you will get a bunch of 'no's
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/why-cant-cros...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1365868/please-does-vram-sta...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2010010605...
when you have 2 270x's, there will be 4gb physical vram, 2gb usable vram, as the current vram from the top card is mirrored to the vram of the bottom card. do you really think all these people are lying? if so, go ahead and make a thread on here asking 'does vram add when you run 2 graphics cards in crossfire' and i GUARANTEE you will get a bunch of 'no's
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TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 7:10:26 AM
Larger PSU probably. Although they state for Crossfire you only need 600watt. It will scale based upon how high you set the graphic settings and the game. Yes, some games scale better than others. The most graphically intense games will scale. Like I said, Crysis 3 uses 99% of BOTH my cards on all maxed settings, so does TR3.
Games use the resources available of any GPU configuration (1, 2 or 3) based upon how graphically intense the game is and how high you place the settings. I could not run Wither 2 maxed out with Uber settings without it being choppy. With my second card, I run it averaging 60 fps with Uber sampling and it is smooth as butter.
Also, I have not experienced ANY micro-stuttering. From my understanding (although I'll admit I have no experience with micro-stuttering in Crossfire), the micro-stutter occurs when you crossfire two different, yet still "compatible" cards. Both my 270x are the exact same make and model. I never have had any issues with microstuttering.
Again, you are just stating what is generally known about hardware. And using more pcie lanes?? That is the purpose of buying a mobo with multiple lanes, to use them! DUH! How is that an issue to use lanes to increase the performance of your PC? That is the point.
He can believe someone who actually has two XFX Double D r9-270x in Crossfire, or he can believe someone who is just regurtitating what they have read in online forums from other people who have no experience in the matter. I provided the OP with advice to save money and increase performance, but the choice is his. I will not continue to debate with someone who has never used the hardware they have such strong, unfounded opinions.
Here is the link of a r9-295x2, which is literally a Crossfired GPU with two r9-290x. Look at the specs. They are all doubled.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Games use the resources available of any GPU configuration (1, 2 or 3) based upon how graphically intense the game is and how high you place the settings. I could not run Wither 2 maxed out with Uber settings without it being choppy. With my second card, I run it averaging 60 fps with Uber sampling and it is smooth as butter.
Also, I have not experienced ANY micro-stuttering. From my understanding (although I'll admit I have no experience with micro-stuttering in Crossfire), the micro-stutter occurs when you crossfire two different, yet still "compatible" cards. Both my 270x are the exact same make and model. I never have had any issues with microstuttering.
Again, you are just stating what is generally known about hardware. And using more pcie lanes?? That is the purpose of buying a mobo with multiple lanes, to use them! DUH! How is that an issue to use lanes to increase the performance of your PC? That is the point.
He can believe someone who actually has two XFX Double D r9-270x in Crossfire, or he can believe someone who is just regurtitating what they have read in online forums from other people who have no experience in the matter. I provided the OP with advice to save money and increase performance, but the choice is his. I will not continue to debate with someone who has never used the hardware they have such strong, unfounded opinions.
Here is the link of a r9-295x2, which is literally a Crossfired GPU with two r9-290x. Look at the specs. They are all doubled.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 23, 2014 7:14:05 AM
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^^ ok first of all, a 295 x2 is a dual gpu crossfire of 290x's (you already know that) and has 8gb physical vram, and 4gb usable vram. yes, some games will scale about 100%, while most wont, and there are a ton of games that get no benifit from 2 cards. instead of running a single 280x at 16x, he would have to run 2 270x's either both at 8x, halfing the available bandwidth, or one at 16x and one at 8x.
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TheLastof Me
July 23, 2014 7:22:01 AM
Danbuscus25 said:
^^ ok first of all, a 295 x2 is a dual gpu crossfire of 290x's (you already know that) and has 8gb physical vram, and 4gb usable vram. yes, some games will scale about 100%, while most wont, and there are a ton of games that get no benifit from 2 cards. instead of running a single 280x at 16x, he would have to run 2 270x's either both at 8x, halfing the available bandwidth, or one at 16x and one at 8x.Again wrong. The amount of VRAM used is dependent upon the graphic intensity of the game as well as how high he sets the settings, particularly anti-aliasing. However, that goes for just one card also.
Most importantly, you just proved my point about not knowing what the hell you are talking about. His motherboard (you did not even check the specs), supports DUAL x16 lanes!!! I even mentioned that when I first recommended the Crossfire.
So, should he believe someone who just stated what they thought they knew about a matter but was wrong (with pcie lanes), or should he go with someone who actually gave specifics regarding popular game titles (Witcher 2, TR3, BF3, Max Payne 3, Titanfall). I own all these games and played them before and after Crossfire. The difference was night and day (especially with AA and Ultra textures, etc).
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July 23, 2014 7:22:36 AM
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July 23, 2014 7:24:09 AM
Alanthor
July 23, 2014 11:23:44 AM
Im back!
I had some trouble mounting the GPU, cuz my case was too got damn little, lol.. So I had to improvise, hahaha. As u can see, my case is completely demolished and so on...
But it sure works ^^
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And I couldnt refuse to buy this LED sleeve. Holy mother of god it's STRONK!
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And yes! I did buy an SSD. I bought the GPU as stated, and Samsung SSD 840 EVO 120GB.
I had some trouble mounting the GPU, cuz my case was too got damn little, lol.. So I had to improvise, hahaha. As u can see, my case is completely demolished and so on...
But it sure works ^^
And I couldnt refuse to buy this LED sleeve. Holy mother of god it's STRONK!

And yes! I did buy an SSD. I bought the GPU as stated, and Samsung SSD 840 EVO 120GB.
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 3:47:57 PM
Alanthor
July 23, 2014 4:03:59 PM
Alanthor
July 23, 2014 5:11:54 PM
Yea I guess.. I hope I can choose from a list what games I'd like to get. Btw, do u know anything about cloning a OS? If so, please check my other thread.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2231149/bought...
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2231149/bought...
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Alanthor
July 23, 2014 5:16:53 PM
Thanks mate!
Check my other thread, I need help
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2231149/bought...
Check my other thread, I need help
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2231149/bought...
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July 23, 2014 11:26:43 PM
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