Mini ITX build help

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Looking for tips on mini itx gaming/HTPC It will be used to rip blu ray and hd video content. Probably use raid 1 for video content unless if you guys think otherwise, I would like the case to be as cold as possible hence h80i, the graphics card I picked was based on where the intake and exhaust were, I'd prefer to not blow much heat back into the mobo and get it all out of the case as efficency as possible.

Here's the link to Pcpartpicker.com where my build is.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/QnQvdC

- also would adding 1 more case fan help or not?
 
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At risk of stating the obvious - it's very expensive. Some of the items only you can really know if you genuinely need, others are potentially based on slightly dubious logic, but it's safe to say that there is a huge scope for saving money here, or potentially re-evaluating some priorities.

If you are overclocking then obviously the 4690K is the CPU to get, but if you are genuinely focused on keeping temperatures and presumably noise levels down then it might be worth looking at other i5s as for your usage it's not going to make a vast performance difference and does come with added negative effects (noise/heat/cost etc).

The H80i is about as good a closed loop cooler as your build can manage. There's 140mm rad based options...



Hi,

Here are my opinions on the current part list:


  • -H80i may be a bit overkill if you aren't overclocking your i5. You will be good with a H55 or H60 or even a good air cooler if you are only using for video content and some gaming. But if you really want the H80i, you can leave it there.

    -Do you really need such a high spec board, if you aren't overclocking and just using it for some gaming and video? There are good itx boards for 3/4 or even 1/2 the price that do all the same jobs.

    -Raid 1 should be fine, if you are using the same two drives... you will not notice much of speed drop. Maybe a little more heat in case.

    -Are you planning on doing any major upgrades? If not, your psu is wayy to overkill. You will be more than fine with a 600W or even a 500W. There are good 80+ gold 600W psus that will work better for you. I recommend getting a good 600W psu instead of the corsair AX760.

    -Yes, you can always add more case fans to have a cooler system. If you want to balance noise levels too, either get a PWM fan or a Corsair Quiet AF series fan.

Hope this helps
 

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At risk of stating the obvious - it's very expensive. Some of the items only you can really know if you genuinely need, others are potentially based on slightly dubious logic, but it's safe to say that there is a huge scope for saving money here, or potentially re-evaluating some priorities.

If you are overclocking then obviously the 4690K is the CPU to get, but if you are genuinely focused on keeping temperatures and presumably noise levels down then it might be worth looking at other i5s as for your usage it's not going to make a vast performance difference and does come with added negative effects (noise/heat/cost etc).

The H80i is about as good a closed loop cooler as your build can manage. There's 140mm rad based options which are available to you, but if your focus is heat/noise then it's likely you'll get better results with air than you will with these types of units. A Prodigy is very flexible with regards to air coolers, even with the ODD bay populated, as long as you pick a suitable motherboard for the job. It's worth also pointing out that an air cooler in a case this compact will also effectively self-exhaust as it will line up pretty well with the rear fan mount.

The Maximus VI Impact is a slightly dubious choice right now. It's a fantastic board, effectively the best money can buy, but it's insanely expensive (double the price of some comparable units), due for replacement soon, and doesn't officially support the 4690K out of the box (you need to update the BIOS). Given your budget, it's not a ridiculous luxury, but if you aren't in a rush it might be worth waiting a month or two for it's replacement, even though its featureset is likely to be near identical.

I'd question why you need 16Gb of memory. 8Gb is likely to be enough, and if you are running memory intensive applications, then it's odd that you'd stick with the basic 1600Mhz speed when 1866 or 2133 kits are available for a similar price.

Your storage solution only you can really decide whether or not it's A) what you need and B) if it's worth the cost. As above there are viable alternatives at lower price points.

As mentioned above, a 760W PSU makes little-no sense on an ITX build. Realistically you can run your build on a 500W PSU, and you might want to stretch that into the 600-650W range if you want to find the types of high-end modular PSUs that might appeal to you, as well as giving you flexibility to add any graphics card you like somewhere down the line. On a good day you could spend a third of the price of the AX760i, but half wouldn't be a bad target either as it gives you a bunch of great options under the brands of Antec, Seasonic and XFX.

In a $2000+ gaming build it's a little odd to "only" find a GTX770 but I understand why you've ended up there. If you are running a single 1080P display (as most of us are) then spending more than this is fairly counterproductive, but I'd query your choice of card. It's very expensive for a GTX770, as you can get faster cards with better cooling solutions for significantly cheaper. There is a certain logic to self-exhausting in smaller cases, but the Prodigy isn't that small and has excellent venting around the graphics card meaning it actually has better characteristics than a lot of ATX towers. I would suggest one of these options -
If you are sure a GTX770 is all you need, get a cheaper one with a better cooling solution. You have a lot of options here but the EVGA ACX, Gigabyte Windforce, MSI Twin Frozer and Asus DirectCU II are all very popular.
If that's the kind of price you want to spend, and are happy to do so, get an R9 290. You can pick one up for around the same price with a decent cooler on it which should comfortably outperform a GTX770, and keep temps/noise under control.
If you are adamant that you want a centrifugal fan cooler, then shuffle the budget around, and try to stretch to a GTX780 with a Titan cooler (they did sell these on GTX770s but they are really hard to find at sensible prices) as it's the best reference cooler on the market and works pretty well.

As for case cooling on a Prodigy, it comes with two 120mm fans which are absolutely fine if you want low noise levels but don't move a lot of air. If you are going high end, overclocking etc, then you are probably best to ditch both and replace them with larger, higher quality options. At the back a quality 140mm is ideal, though a good 120mm will do the job. At the front you can fit a 230/200mm fan (not much different in diameter despite the name) which is good for airflow but not great for noise levels. If keeping the noise down is a big priority then I'd suggest going for a 140mm as it has a better mounting location than a 120mm. Two fans is all you need for this case to guarantee decent airflow, the vented top panel should let any excess heat find it's way out naturally.
 
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I picked the i5 4690k so that if I wanted to OC I could.

I thought the fan on this gpu would give a better exhaust location but I am open to dual fan gpus. I just didn't want to dump hot air straight onto my motherboard. If it doesn't make a difference I'm ok changing it out to a 770 around 240 USD.

As for ram I'm running mine craft server at 8 gb ram that's why 16gb.

And for the motherboard I mainly wanted the m.2 for fast ssd connection along with good OC ability. Plus I thought the sound card was excellent. I was going to run 5.1 or 7.1 dolby and assumed this would give a better sound.

As for PSU I just guessed on size of a atx build, il change it to a 600 gold plus or higher

Any other tips?

O and I will be getting a Sony 4k in the winter, so when that happens this will be mainly high end home theatre system with a 28 in monitor on the side for pc games such as flight simulators, LOL, along with Skyrim online, along with similar games like Europa Universalis, Sid Meyers Civ 5, etc
 

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Well if you plan to try and game at 4K, then you'll really struggle on a GTX770. Tbh there isn't a good 4K gaming card right now, you can get playable on most high end cards but if compromises the settings dramatically then it's not worth it. It is worth pointing out though that most of the games you mention are reasonably low end when it comes to graphical demands, which will work in your favour, but if you intend on perhaps picking up AAA games in the next year or so you might be disappointed with the results on your new monitor.
As for coolers, you really don't have to worry. Axial coolers (the multiple fan versions) are pretty messy when it comes to where they spill airflow, but they produce much better cooling on the card itself, which in turn means they generally run slower and therefore quieter. Some hotter air will likely spill over to the motherboard, but remember the graphics card PCB itself is going to be a wall which stops this, and the large vented section at the top of the case will provide an exit to any build-up. In a case like an EVGA Hadron Air, or Silverstone FT03-Mini, your logic would be 100% solid.

One thing I notice is that you refer to 80Plus Gold. While increased efficiency is great, it's much easier to achieve these ratings at higher wattages due to fixed losses from components. This means that attempting to buy a 500W 80Plus Titanium PSU is impossible (or at the very least insanely expensive, I'm sure there will be one eventually) but at say 1000W, it's likely you'll get a Platinum unit for a very reasonable price.
I'm not saying not to get an 80Plus Gold unit but at the 500-620W range most of the good options are actually 80Plus Bronze so it's worth considering these rather than ruling them out for a relatively insignificant reason, when the likes of the Corsair CS and RM would remain as they have 80Plus Gold but probably aren't as good quality.
 

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I wouldn't game at 4k just play movies and such, I have a 28 in monitor for pc games.

And that was another question I had, should I mount the h80i on the top or back of the case? Which would give me better airflow?

As for the games I play I don't plan on playing 1st person shooters or anything overly intensive such as BF4 or COD I have a lot of friends that prefer xbox 360/one for that stuff, I went for the gtx 770 because I figured overkill now would last me a few years longer while I have a job that gets me good discounts on parts
 

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Personally I wouldn't use a H80i at all, I'd go for an air cooler as you get better performance at a lower price with lower noise levels.

If you do prefer to stick with the H80i, it's definitely better on the rear of the case. The top is an option, but if you intend to use the ODD then you might run into issues with cables struggling to fit or even be unable to use it at all.
 



The top will give slightly lower tempertures ( heat rises etc... ) and the rear will give better airflow.
 

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If I don't have an lga 1150 cpu is it possible to update the bios or shut I go with a 4670k since I won't really be able to take advantage of the .1-.2 difference in clock speed