Why are there no Xeon E5 chips for Haswell socket?

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I have noticed that if you are shopping for Xenons, you are out of luck if you want anything beefier then an E3. Yet all of the Uber 6, 8, 10, 14000 core chips all seem to be tailored to the 2011 socket.

Do you think they will eventually make higher end Xenons for the 1150 socket or will they continue to keep things in the 2011 family?
 
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I see, now I understand.
Well it all depends on the type of workload.
At present the Ivy Bridge Xeon E5 it is still a good investment, but honestly I would wait a few more months to see the real differences. There are still some unknowns to see, such as the use of DDR4, new chipset, prices and so on; in favor of the Haswell Xeon E5.

A matter of fact is that the Xeon E5 with Haswell microarchitecture will certainly be superior in performance vs Ivy Bridge, but we need to see the price difference and the actual "processor power" that your client require. Of course there will also be "cheaper" models with less cores 6~8~10 etc.

As I said in a previous message, there will also be new solutions from Intel: such as the Xeon paired with a...
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First off, Xeon. Only the one "n"

Second, that is as designed. The LGA1150 Xeon chips are based on the Haswell architecture. LGA2011 chips are currently based on the Ivy-Bridge E architecture. There really is no direct comparison.
 
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There is a bit of confusion... I will try to answer you between the lines.

For sure there will be the Haswell microarchitecture for the Xeon E5, even just for the fact that Intel covers a large percentage in the server environment with them.
They will soon hit the market, but will use DDR4 memory (this means new motherboards).

p.s. keep in mind that the Xeon E5 are used in multi socket motherboards; two~four socket.
and only the Xeon E3 (Haswell/Haswell-R) can be used in the 1150 socket.

There is also to say that Intel will offer some new solutions for servers, but that's another topic.
 
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Ok I just wanted to build something with more oomph then the E3 but I didn't want to buy a 2011 motherboard if it was going to be phased out in favor of 1150 motherboards that can handle the big boys.
 
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You're still making the same mistake :) do not mix them up, the Xeon E5 needs a workstation motherboard, while the 1150 socket is located on consumer/mainstream motherboards.
Hope it helps,
Cheers.

p.s. Now I can see your specs; Well, you're ok, the only thing that slows down your platform is the video card (although I do not know if you're a gamer).
TBH, I don't even know why you need these powerful processors; here we are talking about 18 cores 36 threads on a single CPU for the top model.

p.s.s Right, it's better an Ivy Bridge/Haswell extreme edition (which is yet another "league") if you really want a CPU with more cores, and it's still an overkill.
 
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@Comgen: Oh I am happy with what I have. As far as video goes I dont game much. most of my favorites are yesteryear games like CIV 4 and such. only modern game I play is DIalbo III.

The research I am doing here is for future builds. I have been getting more requests for servers and extremely high end work stations. One client wanted to be sure she could upgrade beyond whatever she starts with which is why I didn't want to go with an E3 for her. yes its unlikely she will ever tax even an E3 but I have to give them what they ask for.

P.S. I guess what I was really looking for was if I am going to build a high end server for someone, am I safe investing in 2011 sockets or will they be swept under the carpet tomorrow by a Haswell based line of E5 chips.
 
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I see, now I understand.
Well it all depends on the type of workload.
At present the Ivy Bridge Xeon E5 it is still a good investment, but honestly I would wait a few more months to see the real differences. There are still some unknowns to see, such as the use of DDR4, new chipset, prices and so on; in favor of the Haswell Xeon E5.

A matter of fact is that the Xeon E5 with Haswell microarchitecture will certainly be superior in performance vs Ivy Bridge, but we need to see the price difference and the actual "processor power" that your client require. Of course there will also be "cheaper" models with less cores 6~8~10 etc.

As I said in a previous message, there will also be new solutions from Intel: such as the Xeon paired with a FPGA component. but that's another story.
In the end, if the power demand is not so excessive, you can choose for her a Xeon E5 Ivy Bridge which falls within her budget and that's it. but still I advise you to wait a few months to see the Haswell version.
 
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They are going to re-use the LGA2011 form factor, but it will not be backwards or forwards compatible. To get a Haswell E chip you will have to wait for the release of the X99 boards and the chips. An X79 board won't be able to run Haswell E and the X99 boards won't be able to run the Ivy and Sandy Bridge E Cpus. At least that is my understanding.
 
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@ Comgen: fair enough. To be honest I have a hard time seeing an single individual ever running out of room even with the modest chips. when I fist got my E3-1230 I opened up every program I had on my desk top and loaded every game I had, most of them are turn based so they less graphics bound and more CPU hungry. even with everything running full tilt and throwing a hundred gigs of file transfers between the drives and rendering a large photo in Adobe, I still barely cracked 43%. and that was a totally unrealistic work load because there is no reason I would ever be doing all those things at once.

Not to say I haven't been tempted. of course 8 and 12 cores look very shiny but then realism kicks in and I know I would never tax those chips. I try to talk most of my clients down because I make same whether you are getting an i5 or an E5-2630 But a lot of people are sold on the industry telling them they need more and more. "going to run Photoshop?? you will need at least 12 cores for that!"
 
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E5 doesn't need a workstation board. Not sure where you got that idea.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X79%20Extreme4/?cat=CPU
http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P9X79_DELUXE/HelpDesk_CPU/
http://www.gigabyte.us/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=4050


 
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My first point was about the difference between sockets, and in correlation to the E3 which is the only Xeon that works on the 1150.
Perhaps I should have used "different" instead of "workstation" but that was not the problem, because what I wanted to say and to make understand was other. (or formulate the sentence in a different way, but my English is not perfect).
Then DHFF made to understand that the socket 1150 could have handled the "big boys" aka E5, so I just wanted to clarify it again.

And you're right, the E5 is compatible and on different motherboards, but TBH is mainly used on multi socket motherboards (Supermicro, Asus) but again everything depends by the needs of the OP (and his needs were not clear at the beginning, at least for me, then after DHFF made ​​it clear).
I mean if his demands were just gaming and stuff with little workload, for sure I would have also mentioned the single socket option... well not really, as I said would have been only an overkill.

I apologize if I was not clear.
Cheers.
 
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No worries Comgen, I understood what you were getting at. I was also aware of the options for boards when it comes to E5 chips, I had already done some research and early shopping for this client. you were a huge help.
 
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I know DHFF that we had understood each other, this is what matters.
But it is also fair to specify things if they are not fully comprehensible, the logainofhades comment was welcome.
I'm glad to hear that, hope all goes well.

Cheers.
 
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