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July 24, 2014 12:44:04 PM

Ok guys I finally got around to working on my custom loop, this is the first time building one, so any help will be appreciated. Here is what i have so far.>>> what else do yall think that i will need?



XSPC Raystorm AX360 Extreme Universal CPU Water Cooling Kit w/ D5 Photon and Free Dead-Water!

Sleeve My Kit: Yes ($24.99)
Select Your Cable Sleeve Color: Green UV Reactive
Select Your Heatshrink Color: Green
Select Fluid for Kit: XSPC EC6 Coolant - 1L Clear ($15.99)
Select Distilled H20 Additives.: IandH KillCoils - Antimicrobial Silver ($6.99)
Select Tubing Color: XSPC FLX Retail 7/16 x 5/8 - UV Green ($15.49)
$328.45 $328.45


XSPC Razor GTX Titan / 780 / 780 Ti Full Coverage VGA Block V2 - Reference Design $124.99 $249.98
ex-tub-2543

XSPC G1/4" Thread 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD Low Profile Compression Fitting - Black Chrome V2 $5.99 $47.92
ex-blc-1137

XSPC Razor SLI High Flow Bridge (2 Slot) $11.99 $11.99
ex-rad-440

XSPC AX240 Dual 120mm Radiator w/ Aluminum Enclosure - Black $79.99 $79.99

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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 1:02:03 PM

You will need extra tubing. You will need coolant or additives if you are using distilled water. Are you thinking of having two radiators?
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July 24, 2014 1:46:59 PM

terry4536 said:
You will need extra tubing. You will need coolant or additives if you are using distilled water. Are you thinking of having two radiators?


Extra tubing, ok.

I am using XSPC EC6 coolant, will 1L be enough? and I'm going to get a kill coil

Two rads YES lol one near the cpu in the loop and one near the two GPUs in the loop.

Can you think of anything else that i will need? Fittings ect.
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 1:54:12 PM

how big are the rads and your going to need more colant at least get 2l just in case you need extra and you have to think about how your loop is going to be set up on how many 45 degree and 90degree fitting you will need you dont want to put to much of an angle on the compession fitting the tubing could slip out
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July 24, 2014 2:25:15 PM

zachparr2442 said:
how big are the rads and your going to need more colant at least get 2l just in case you need extra and you have to think about how your loop is going to be set up on how many 45 degree and 90degree fitting you will need you dont want to put to much of an angle on the compession fitting the tubing could slip out


Top 360mm and a 240mm in the front. Where do i need to use 45° and 90° fittings?
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 2:30:38 PM

on my case i have two 90s on the rad connected to my fitting to not bend the tubing, i have 2 90s on my cpus for the same reason then a 90 on my sli waterblock then a 45 off that to the res. you want to bend your tuning to much you want it to be as straight as possible. so think about where you are goin go put your rads and res and everything and angle is the tubing going to be.
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July 24, 2014 2:36:04 PM

360 on the top of the case, 240 in the front, and the res will be on the back side of the case beside the rear exhaust fan.

Here is the updated list so far


1039 XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Special Edition Copper (Intel) (Sockets LGA 115x / 1366 / 2011) $119.99 $119.99
ex-blc-1592 XSPC Razor GTX Titan / 780 / 780 Ti Full Coverage VGA Block V2 - Reference Design $124.99 $249.98
ex-liq-218 XSPC EC6 High Performance Liquid Cooling Premix Coolant - 1L - Clear $15.99 $31.98
ex-tub-2543 XSPC G1/4" Thread 7/16" ID x 5/8" OD Low Profile Compression Fitting - Black Chrome V2 $5.99 $47.92
ex-tub-1766 XSPC FLX Premium Grade PVC Tubing - 7/16" ID (5/8"OD) - 2 Meter (6.5 Feet) Retail Pack - UV Green $15.49 $15.49
ex-pmp-238 Alphacool VPP655 Variable Speed Pump - HF Top Edition - Acrylic $119.95 $119.95
ex-rad-440 XSPC AX240 Dual 120mm Radiator w/ Aluminum Enclosure - Black $79.99 $79.99
ex-rad-442 XSPC AX360 Triple 120mm Radiator w/ Aluminum Enclosure - Black $99.99 $99.99
ex-res-166 FrozenQ PC Mods 250mm Liquid Fusion V Series "2nd Generation" Reservoir - UV Cathode - Fluorescent Green Helix $99.99 $99.99
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 2:41:52 PM

sorry here is the sli link http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18973/ex-blc-1421/EK_...
also before you buy angle fittings what i would is install the rads and res and everything but the waterblock for the cpu and gpus and look at the best ways to run your tubing then if you need a angle fitting buy them then, thats what i did, also need some way of draining the system
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 4:07:52 PM

List everything that you are cooling. It isn't clear from the posts.

You seem to be cooling two graphics cards and a CPU. You seem to be running all of that into two radiators all on one pump.

If that is the case, it isn't going to work. The system will not have enough flow to effectively cool everything. You will need two pumps. One loop for the graphics cards and one for the CPU.
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 4:41:44 PM

That's wrong I have a cpu two gpus 360rad a 240 and a 120 rad and it's fine the d5 pumps are good all on one pump
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 6:59:28 PM

I would recommend reading this guide.

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7. Planning a water-cooling Loop: What is one and how many do I want? From the Parts-Buying Guide Sticky:
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The most simple loop is a T-line > pump > water-block > radiator...and around and around. Two loops or a dual loop system needs 2 fill-lines or reservoirs, 2 pumps, 2 or more blocks, and 2 or more radiators. The primary reason for 2 separate loops is to force the GPU loop into running a higher water-air delta T than the CPU loop; perhaps 10°C to 20°C for the GPU loop versus 5°C to 10°C for the CPU loop. This can allow an internal 120.3 to cool an SLI or X-fire GPU loop while another internal 120.2 or 120.3 cools the CPU loop both at satisfactory temperatures. This requires careful planning but is getting easier as the industry trends toward cooler CPU processors. For example, second generation core i7 Sandy Bridge 2600k stock load Thermal Design Power or TDP is 95W compared to the first-generation core i7 920 at 130W. In Dual Loop versus Single by Gabriel Rouchon, the chief thermal architect at Swiftech, the data and explanation are detailed. And even when a water-cooler chooses a single loop, some get a second pump as backup for pump redundancy. If you run two pumps in series - inside one loop - one pump provides back-up in case the other fails. You don't need the Koolance reservoir system to run two or dual loops. If you are certain about running two loops the XSPC acrylic dual 5.25 inch reservoir for two Laing DDC OEM pumps is only $50. Bay reservoir pump/top combinations efficiently use case space.
To make a loop, use enough tubing to avoid kinks. 6 feet is usually enough for a medium-size loop inside a case. Shorter loops with smaller tubing avoid blocking air-flow inside the case. Stay above 3/8 inch internal diameter to avoid limiting water-flow but there is no advantage to tubing over 1/2 inch internal diameter. Anti-kink coils don't remove kinks but some like the looks. Zip-ties on a kink can push the kink further down the tubing until it reaches a fitting. It might allow one to wait until next scheduled maintenance to fix it.

Loop order matters. Choose a layout that puts the reservoir or T-line/fill-line immediately before the pump inlet to get the best filling. Pump filling is important to prevent the pump from running dry since the pump cools itself with water and a dry pump can equal a dead pump in a short time. Otherwise loop order is rarely important. The loop flow-rate is usually high enough in simple loops that water temperature varies by 1°C or less inside the entire loop. In high-performance loops, some record differences of several degrees. On EOCF, one water-cooler with a very high-performance system and 2 VGA cards in SLI tested the second VGA card 3°C to 5°C hotter than the first when in series but got equal temperatures with VGA cards in parallel. For most water-coolers, a few degrees rarely matters. Route tubing to avoid clutter and preserve air-flow. Avoid kinks to preserve water-flow. For complex loops, discuss it on your forum thread.



"The Beginning to Water-Cool Guide updated for 2014"
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t355358.html
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 7:31:01 PM

are you watercooled and do you have two pumps and two loop. a single pump and loop is good enough to get the job done. if you looked the video he was cooling a CPU, two GPUs and Quad Radiator,Triple Radiator,Dual Radiator, and Single Radiator. with him only cooling a cpu two gpus and two rads he will be fine no need for extra pumps and loops i have a similair set up plus another rad and my flow is fine and its set to 3 which is medium setting
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a b K Overclocking
July 24, 2014 7:32:39 PM

as long as you have the flow and enough rad space to cool the water its fine, the water is moving fast through the waterblocks it doesnt matter what order you have them in as long as the res is above and before the pump
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July 25, 2014 7:38:59 PM

zachparr2442 said:
are you watercooled and do you have two pumps and two loop. a single pump and loop is good enough to get the job done. if you looked the video he was cooling a CPU, two GPUs and Quad Radiator,Triple Radiator,Dual Radiator, and Single Radiator. with him only cooling a cpu two gpus and two rads he will be fine no need for extra pumps and loops i have a similair set up plus another rad and my flow is fine and its set to 3 which is medium setting


That is what i thought too, i have seen alot more hardcore loops ran off of a D-5 pump than what i am planning.
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 7:46:54 PM


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as long as you have the flow and enough rad space to cool the water its fine, the water is moving fast through the waterblocks it doesnt matter what order you have them in as long as the res is above and before the pump


If the temperatures of your components do not matter, then why in the world are you spending all of this money on cooling them. That doesn't make any sense at all.

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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 8:41:57 PM

What are you taking about water cooling works buy using an enclosed heatsink and water removes that heat then goes to a rad and it's cools the water moves fast though the system it doesn't matter what order you have them in as long as you have enough rad space and the pump is below and right after the res. Idk what your taking about with the temp stuff nobody mention that
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 8:44:31 PM

Please exit the forum if you don't know what your talking about or you haven't water cooler before
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 8:46:30 PM

Anyways there are a bunch of water cooling videos on YouTube type on jays2cents he does some good videos on builds and what to buy and everything
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 8:50:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7BdBPSx92M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9jEczwCZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghk-kWqUrpE watch this one for sure its the myths about watercooling and stuff about 14mins long

i spent hours on youtube before i started build my loop and my loop is fine im at 4.9ghz hottest i see on a stress test is 52c and in gaming its arpund 45c max my gpus never reach 35c thats the reason you watercool
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July 25, 2014 10:01:46 PM

zachparr2442 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7BdBPSx92M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9jEczwCZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghk-kWqUrpE watch this one for sure its the myths about watercooling and stuff about 14mins long

i spent hours on youtube before i started build my loop and my loop is fine im at 4.9ghz hottest i see on a stress test is 52c and in gaming its arpund 45c max my gpus never reach 35c thats the reason you watercool


I have watched all of those already, thank you. My question is what fittings am i going to need for the setup that I'm looking to do.
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 10:58:06 PM

it all depends on how you run your loop and where your rads and everything is located think about where your gpus cpu and where your rads and res and pump will be then think about how can you get the tubing as straight as possible without bending it in my loop i have 12 compression fittings 7x90degree 6x45dgree 1xyfitting with bitpower drain on it, and i also have 2x25mm spacers male female
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July 25, 2014 11:15:25 PM

zachparr2442 said:
it all depends on how you run your loop and where your rads and everything is located think about where your gpus cpu and where your rads and res and pump will be then think about how can you get the tubing as straight as possible without bending it in my loop i have 12 compression fittings 7x90degree 6x45dgree 1xyfitting with bitpower drain on it, and i also have 2x25mm spacers male female


ahhhhhh Crap so just buy a shit load of fittings and send back what i dont use?
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a b K Overclocking
July 25, 2014 11:16:53 PM

you can or sell them on ebay you wont get all your money back but some
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a b K Overclocking
July 26, 2014 12:06:58 AM

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What are you taking about water cooling works buy using an enclosed heatsink and water removes that heat then goes to a rad and it's cools the water moves fast though the system it doesn't matter what order you have them in as long as you have enough rad space and the pump is below and right after the res. Idk what your taking about with the temp stuff nobody mention that


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Please exit the forum if you don't know what your talking about or you haven't water cooler before




Zachparr , how old are you? You have a grand total of 12 best answers. But I guess that makes you the expert to tell me to get off the forum. The whole idea of cooling air or otherwise is to cool the computer components.

And by the way I have roughly 20 times as many best answers as you. And I have 2000 more answers than you.
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a b K Overclocking
July 26, 2014 12:50:26 AM

so answering questions on a forum makes you an expert. as i said above i am overclocked at 4.9ghz at 45c max while gaming and my gpu's barely reach 35c now on air i was able to reach 4.7ghz at 55c while gaming. The point of watercooling is o1. its better than air. 2. you can make a system quiet. 3. its a hobby. now terry how many customs loops have you built for people or have of your own. the pump is strong enough to handle the job plus more i prove that with the video. water cooling will cool your parts to half the temp of my gpus and allow overclockers to reach a point where air can not, again prove that with the video also. just because you have more answers than me doesnt mean you know more that i do about something
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 11:45:51 AM

Is there anything that we didnt answer or anything esle you need help with.
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July 28, 2014 12:15:21 PM

Just trying to figure out exactly what i need to buy....
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 12:19:36 PM

so your going to cool your CPU, dual gpus, and push though a 360rad and a 240rad?
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 12:24:40 PM

so for your cpu block you will need two fittings, either barb or compression, then your rads will us 4, then your gpu since you have the link will use 2more, then your pump res will use another 2, so thats 10 fittings, then you will need angle fittings and some type of drain plug, the angle are made so you dont have to bend your hosing.
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July 28, 2014 12:26:22 PM

zachparr2442 said:
so your going to cool your CPU, dual gpus, and push though a 360rad and a 240rad?


That is correct.
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July 28, 2014 12:27:17 PM

zachparr2442 said:
so for your cpu block you will need two fittings, either barb or compression, then your rads will us 4, then your gpu since you have the link will use 2more, then your pump res will use another 2, so thats 10 fittings, then you will need angle fittings and some type of drain plug, the angle are made so you dont have to bend your hosing.


45°? how many do you think that I will need?
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 12:29:13 PM

depends on where you put everything at just think about where everything is going to be located at in your case draw it on paper if you have then, think to your self will this tupe go into that fitting without bending tthe tubing, if the answer is no, then you need to get a angle fitting for that area.
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 12:31:02 PM

this is an example of some of the stuff i needed to get for my build i already had some parts

ex-tub-1174 Alphacool G1/4 45° Rotary Fitting Adapter - Chrome 7 $7.49 $52.43
ex-blc-1179 EK GeForce 670 GTX VGA Liquid Cooling Block - Acetal + Nickel CSQ (EK-FC670 GTX - Acetal + Nickel CSQ) 1 $112.99 $112.99
ex-blc-1213 EK FC Bridge Dual Parallel CSQ - SLI Connection - Plexi (EK-FC Bridge DUAL Parallel CSQ Plexi) 1 $24.99 $24.99
ex-tub-1218 Bitspower Luxury Reusable 3/4" OD Hose Clamp - Black (BP-SLTC7AL-BK) 2 $4.99 $9.98
ex-rad-263 Swiftech MCR320-XP eXtreme Performance Triple 120mm Slim Radiator - (MCR320-XP) 1 $72.95 $72.95
scr-229 M3 x 30mm Pan Head Screws - Stainless Steel - Black - 4 Pack 6 $2.50 $15.00
ex-blc-1375 Koolance CPU-380A AMD Liquid Cooling CPU Block - (No Fittings) 1 $76.99 $76.99
mes-32 ModRight ModMesh 500mm x 500mm x 1.0mm Maltese Cross Aluminum Mesh Panel - White 2 $1.00 $2.00
ex-tub-2300 XSPC X-Large Tubing Cutter - 1 Inch Cut Diameter 1 $11.99 $11.99
uvp-11 Brush-on Clearneon UV Reactive Clear Coat Paint - Natural Green 1 $22.99 $22.99
ex-tub-2474 Bitspower G1/4 Male to Female Extender - 25mm - Black Sparkle (BP-BSWP-C62) 4 $6.75 $27.00
ex-tub-1183 Alphacool G1/4 90° Rotary Fitting Adapter - Chrome 5 $5.99 $29.95
ex-tub-423 Bitspower G1/4 Thread 1/2" ID x 3/4" OD Compression Fitting - Silver (BP-CPF-CC5) 2 $7.99 $15.98
ex-tub-155 Bitspower G1/4" Chrome Stop Plug w/ O-Ring (BP-WTP-C06) 4 $2.99 $11.96
ex-tub-1563 Bitspower G1/4" Mini Valve - Deluxe White (BP-MVV-DWBK) 1 $25.99 $25.99
ex-tub-1166 Alphacool G1/4 Male to Male Extender - 4mm - Deep Black 3 $3.99 $11.97
ex-tub-1195 Alphacool G1/4 Thread 90° Rotary 1/2" ID Barbs - Chrome 1 $6.49 $6.49
ex-tub-315 Bitspower Black Sparkle G1/4" Barb Fitting - 1/2" ID (BP-BSWP-C01) 2 $3.49 $6.98
ex-tub-1154 Alphacool G1/4 High Flow Y Connector 45° - Chrome 1 $6.99 $6.99
ex-pmp-216 EK D5 X-RES Top 140 - Acetal - Laing D5 / Swiftech MCP655-B/655/655-PWM 1 $74.99 $74.99
Item Total: $620.61
Shipping: $45.48
Tax: $0.00
Grand Total: $666.09
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a b K Overclocking
July 28, 2014 12:32:07 PM

i always buy extra you can always send them back if you need to, or call them in person and ask about sending things back also.
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July 28, 2014 1:08:07 PM

....aghhhhhhh.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
July 29, 2014 10:26:56 AM

Here is the answer that I have provided to anyone and everyone new to watercooling and is in the watercooling sticky:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky

Understand what you need to buy before you just start asking complete strangers on web forums what you should be spending your own, hard earned money on. Understanding what you need helps you make informed decisions not only about what, but WHY you are doing so.

That being said, I would suggest learning as much as you can to help yourself out so you can seek advice for specifics based on what you understand your loop needs to be.

Also, there is more hostility in this thread than needs to be. I understand that there are different methodologies for watercooling based on your priorities and budget. Some feel that ultimate cooling power at all cost is the only way in a watercooling loop or solution; hence the argument for dual loops and multiple pumps. This is your best case scenario for performance as well as available, physical space for the build. You can do a single loop with either 1 or 2 pumps. I've run a loop on a single D5 with CPU, 2x SLI and 2x 360 rads for years without an issue or problem with cooling performance. I currently do not overclock, but have in the past.

There is a misinterpretation that watercooling automatically means you must overclock and you must push everything to the ultimate max. If this is your intention, watercooling is one cooling solution that can help allow this, but it's not a 1:1 correlation. For me, it's more about the hobby and the art of it more than anything else, and that is shared by many others as well. It can also be a way to run fairly quiet with proper fan configuration for the radiators being chosen.

All in all, watercooling can account for different needs and solutions based on personal preference and desired result. One methodology does not cover every loop build.
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July 29, 2014 11:20:10 AM

rubix_1011 said:
Here is the answer that I have provided to anyone and everyone new to watercooling and is in the watercooling sticky:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/277130-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky

Understand what you need to buy before you just start asking complete strangers on web forums what you should be spending your own, hard earned money on. Understanding what you need helps you make informed decisions not only about what, but WHY you are doing so.

That being said, I would suggest learning as much as you can to help yourself out so you can seek advice for specifics based on what you understand your loop needs to be.

Also, there is more hostility in this thread than needs to be. I understand that there are different methodologies for watercooling based on your priorities and budget. Some feel that ultimate cooling power at all cost is the only way in a watercooling loop or solution; hence the argument for dual loops and multiple pumps. This is your best case scenario for performance as well as available, physical space for the build. You can do a single loop with either 1 or 2 pumps. I've run a loop on a single D5 with CPU, 2x SLI and 2x 360 rads for years without an issue or problem with cooling performance. I currently do not overclock, but have in the past.

There is a misinterpretation that watercooling automatically means you must overclock and you must push everything to the ultimate max. If this is your intention, watercooling is one cooling solution that can help allow this, but it's not a 1:1 correlation. For me, it's more about the hobby and the art of it more than anything else, and that is shared by many others as well. It can also be a way to run fairly quiet with proper fan configuration for the radiators being chosen.

All in all, watercooling can account for different needs and solutions based on personal preference and desired result. One methodology does not cover every loop build.


Thanks for your response rubix, I have a good grasp of everything that I need other than the number of angled fittings that i will need, and i have been looking on overclockers.net at others who have build in my case for a template. All I need now is to determine how many and what angles that i need and where i need them.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
July 29, 2014 11:53:31 AM

My intention wasn't necessarily directed just to you, but to anyone that has read the thread and may/may not be well-versed. It was a blanket statement, so to speak.

Your best bet might be a mock up of your loop to see what you will need. I don't know how feasible this is in your current build, but should give you the best idea of how to route your tubing and what fittings might be best. Flexible pipe cleaners or stiff wire is also a nice help in order to mock up your tubing routes and help you figure out where to put your runs and decide on fittings.
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July 29, 2014 12:04:00 PM

rubix_1011 said:
My intention wasn't necessarily directed just to you, but to anyone that has read the thread and may/may not be well-versed. It was a blanket statement, so to speak.

Your best bet might be a mock up of your loop to see what you will need. I don't know how feasible this is in your current build, but should give you the best idea of how to route your tubing and what fittings might be best. Flexible pipe cleaners or stiff wire is also a nice help in order to mock up your tubing routes and help you figure out where to put your runs and decide on fittings.


That's a good idea thanks.
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