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supervirus5

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Since my old thread didn't get any replies for 2 days I decided to re-post it I hope it's not a probem , I didn't get any solutions neither any suggestions about what should i upgrade .

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Well I made a little mistake and I bought a pc without researching a bit further and so on i got this specs .

CPU : AMD FX(tm)-8120 Eight-Core Processor 3.1 Ghz
RAM : Kingston HyperX - x1 - 8GB I don't know it's Hz yet.
GPU : Sapphire HD 7850 1GB - <--- I guess this is the worst thing i have ever done in my whole life .
HDD : 500 GB WD Blue Edition .
Mother Board : GIGABYTE 970A-D3 rev 3.0 - <--- That's because I updates the BIOS from the website to the latest version i hope . 
Power Supply : Cooler Master Extreme 2 525 - <--- That's another problem that made me can't Change the GPU no 8 pin connector .
CASE : Cooler Master K380 Mid Tower <--- srry I forgot to add this important part .
Monitor : ViewSonic VG1930VM 75 Hz , 1440x900 Max Resolution 

[b]My Monitor is kinda old but i still like itthe thing is that some games runs less than 75 Fps at 1440x900 resolution with some games in the lowest settings made me super sad .[/b][i][/i]

Games like Dragon Nest cant' run on stable 75 fps on lowest settings and sometimes drops to 20~35. 
Leauge of legends on lowest settings still drops to 45 in some time .

And for PC cooling My Room is always at 23 C , because of the air conditioning system + 4 fans inside the computer case .
Guys can anyone tell me what should i think of upgrade/change in order to make this pc good for today's games at least to run on 1440x900 resolution with a stable fps more than 75 FPS . ( Because my Screen Refresh rate is 75 fps ) and i can see the difference between 60 and 75 :)  .

I wanted to add that All these games was running on lowest settings + My PC is virus free + adware free as well so it's not a Software problem i guess .

From what I think it's either not the original Graphics Card , or Something is just wrong , How come that this specs can't run old games at 75 Hz Stable ? How ?

Thanks in advance .
 
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coozie7

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Doesn't look to be that bad, I've a feeling something is holding things up.
Check Task Manager (hold Ctrl+Alt+Del) and check the Performance, Applications and Tasks tabs, see if anything is taking up a lot of memory or CPU time.
If there's anything other than the System Idle Process taking up a fair bit of memory or CPU time your system my be infected with malware or a virus.
Usual housekeeping check: Update all the drivers: sound, chipset, motherboard and video.
Check the internet connection is OK and running at its proper speed and, obviously, don't play online with other apps/browsers running. ;)
Probably the system has the strongest card it can handle with the current PSU, a single 6 pin PCI-E lead isn't enough to run a significantly faster card, you'll need to swap that for one of 550-600 Watts with 1x6 and 1x8 (or 1x 6+2) PCI-E leads: Antec, Corsair (preferably not the 'CX' 'VX' or 'VS' ones), Silverstone, Seasonic, XFX Pro series, FSP Aurium series or Rosewill Capstone series are good.
 
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Sorry to disappoint you but my system has no viruses and there is no thing taking CPU usage neither GPU usage

you can confirm this with me if you insist via Teamviewer or anything else you would like to check with.

and from what i have seen in your reply does that mean i have to change my PSU in order to change my GPU .

right . to which gpu :) ?
 
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First thing I would upgrade is that PSU. You have an absolutely lowest quality PSU. I would not be comfortable running anything on that PSU, let alone a gaming rig. So upgrade that immediately. Here is a reference list. (http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html). I would recommend Tier 2(b) and above. 650 watts will give you plenty of headroom in a single gpu build. -- could probably get away with less, but I would use a power supply calculator to get a better idea (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp)

The CPU and GPU are of sufficient quality (1 GB of vram is a bit low, but at 900p it is probably not too much of a bottleneck). But if it is the worst decision you've made in your life, I'd say you're doing a pretty awesome job at life!

The single channel RAM is probably not ideal, but I don't think it should really be affecting in game performance.

I would upgrade that PSU and then reassess how your system is performing. From there you can upgrade your GPU if you'd like and your budget permits, but the 7850 shouldn't prevent you from playing any games at 900p (you may have to make graphic options tweaks, but games will be playable).
 
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My budget is around 500~600$ i hope .

And I'm buying this parts from a PC mall in Egypt , How can i tell that I'm buying the original Stuff .

If i recall correctly Every part was sealed Correctly with it's Package.
 
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Do you mean that Maybe what makes me can't run games on 75 Might be the PSU ? Might be that PSU what is limiting my GPU ?

I can tell that there is no way for that GPU to not run games on lowest settings on 75 FPS please i'm on 1440x900 resolution not a big deal because that card was made to run on 1920x1080 if I think correctly .

Still No body suggested me which GPU should i buy after upgrading my PSU , what about giving me a PSU + GPU Combo :p
 
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I'm not disappointed-I'm delighted to be wrong! Quite a few users have similar issues and it turns out to be software/internet rather than the CPU/GPU so you've just confirmed the issue is probably elsewhere.
Just one last software point: AMD cards, particularly the 1Gb ones, don't like anti-aliasing, I know you said the games are running at lower settings, but do make sure AA is turned off, both in the game menus and drivers.
A decent card would be the R9 280 or GTX760, anything less than a R9 270X will not really be enough of an upgrade to justify the cost, as this handy chart shows: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-review,review-32899-7.html
Without knowing which parts are available to you I can't make any specific recommendations about a power supply.
 
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Like I said, I can't give any specific recommendations, I just do not know what parts are available to you in Egypt.
All I can suggest is that you look for one with 550-600 Watts with 1x6 and 1x8 (or 1x 6+2) PCI-E leads: Antec, Corsair (preferably not the 'CX' 'VX' or 'VS' ones), Silverstone, Seasonic, XFX Pro series, FSP Aurium series or Rosewill Capstone series are good.
If you cannot find any of those, please link to parts you can source so we can advise further.
 
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The PSU might not be giving consistent power delivery which could result in sub-par performance. The bigger concern is a ripple or power surge damaging your parts.

Now that you gave a price of $ 500-600 (is that US dollars??) I can make a GPU recommendation. A solid quality PSU like a 650w Corsair HX (its on the top of my head) is about $130-150, any brand from the first 2 tiers of that list will be fine though, so feel free to find the best deal in your region.

That leaves you with $350-450 for a GPU. At that point you are looking at the r9 290 or r9 290x. You could also look at the gtx770/780 but I believe AMD is going to give you more price/performance unless your regional pricing is significantly different.

But like I said, your current GPU is not "bad" or out of date or anything, its a generation old and has 1gb of vram, at 900p as long as you turn off AA and possibly knock textures down a notch, you should be fine. My original advice to replace PSU and reevaluate olds (unless shipping costs are absolutely that high that two purchases is not possible)
 
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