290x crossfire bad performance at 1080p
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joocey
July 26, 2014 10:13:36 AM
Hello I've been playing around with my rig and decided to go AMD. Ran into a lot of issues in the start but finally been able to get some games running and overall... I'm unimpressed?
I was modding Skyrim and my fps outside is around 24 average and drops to as low as 18 in some instances (I have K ENB but still.. something must be wrong).
Even without the enb my skyrim runs at a max of 44 frames on ultra.
Also did testing and it is the same fps as a single card even though my 2nd card is hitting high temps and gpu usage.
For the other game I play which is the Witcher 2 I can run about 90 average without ubersampling but once I put it on I get 40s and drops to low 30s. I thought my rig could handle such games due to benchmarks so am I doing something wrong?
Tested with 14.7 drivers, 14.4, 13.12, etc.
System Specs:
i5-4670k - 4.0GHz
8 gbs of ram
2 x 290x Sapphire Reference Cooler
Dark power Pro 1000w PSU
Asus Hero VI mobo
Windows 8.1
Crossfire is enabled in AMD CCC
Both cards are functioning well singularily
Stats:
gpu clock : 1000MHZz --> 1065MHz oc'd
gpu voltage : 1.135V --> 1.195V oc'd
memory clock : 1250MHz --> 1355MHz oc'd
%usage : 100%
temp : 94 on full load --> 86 oc'd
fan speed : 40% --> 60% oc'd
PSU 12v,5, 3.4v:
3v = 3.344
5v = 5v
12v = 12.192
I was modding Skyrim and my fps outside is around 24 average and drops to as low as 18 in some instances (I have K ENB but still.. something must be wrong).
Even without the enb my skyrim runs at a max of 44 frames on ultra.
Also did testing and it is the same fps as a single card even though my 2nd card is hitting high temps and gpu usage.
For the other game I play which is the Witcher 2 I can run about 90 average without ubersampling but once I put it on I get 40s and drops to low 30s. I thought my rig could handle such games due to benchmarks so am I doing something wrong?
Tested with 14.7 drivers, 14.4, 13.12, etc.
System Specs:
i5-4670k - 4.0GHz
8 gbs of ram
2 x 290x Sapphire Reference Cooler
Dark power Pro 1000w PSU
Asus Hero VI mobo
Windows 8.1
Crossfire is enabled in AMD CCC
Both cards are functioning well singularily
Stats:
gpu clock : 1000MHZz --> 1065MHz oc'd
gpu voltage : 1.135V --> 1.195V oc'd
memory clock : 1250MHz --> 1355MHz oc'd
%usage : 100%
temp : 94 on full load --> 86 oc'd
fan speed : 40% --> 60% oc'd
PSU 12v,5, 3.4v:
3v = 3.344
5v = 5v
12v = 12.192
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joocey
July 26, 2014 10:26:27 AM
TechyInAZ said:
what are your temps? The amd stock coolers are terrible for r9 290X and it might be throttling back due to 90C temps.and do you have the latest drivers?
Yes sorry I edited to add more info!
I used msi afterburner to set my fans to 60% when playing games and the temps sit at 85 degrees load.
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I did not spend time playing the game due to the fps being so low so the time the gpus were under load would probably be less than 30 minutes.
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joocey
July 26, 2014 10:32:22 AM
TechyInAZ said:
that is so weird, is the crossfireX bridge in place and enabled? and 85 is actually better than I thought.Also, do you have the latest BIOS?
I believe the 290x don't need a crossfire bridge as it uses the PCI slots?
I believe so but I will double check.
Really want to get this sorted out... Here I thought 2 290xes would be overkill... Yet I am not getting that much better frames then when I had a single 580 ti..
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Bios is latest version. Drivers are latest version.
Only ENB on in Skyrim and its still low 20s
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TechyInAZ said:
Suztera said:
Yes, R9 290X and R9 290 doens't require a crossfire bridge at all.Are you sure you enabled Crossfire in AMD CCC?
Try running Valley or Heaven and measure the result for one R9 290X and crossfire R9 290X and see if there is any difference.
Really? How did AMD figure that out?
They use XDMA which communicate via the PCIE.
More info on this here:
http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...
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Suztera said:
TechyInAZ said:
Suztera said:
Yes, R9 290X and R9 290 doens't require a crossfire bridge at all.Are you sure you enabled Crossfire in AMD CCC?
Try running Valley or Heaven and measure the result for one R9 290X and crossfire R9 290X and see if there is any difference.
Really? How did AMD figure that out?
They use XDMA which communicate via the PCIE.
More info on this here:
http://community.amd.com/community/amd-blogs/amd-gaming...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7457/the-radeon-r9-290x-r...
Wow, that's really cool, I always wondered when all the bandwidth of PCI gen 3 would be used by graphics cards, I just didn't know it would be through crossfireX.
It makes since after reading those posts, since bridges only have a small amount of bandwith.
Thx for the info. I wonder when Nvidia will follow AMD with SLI.
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joocey
July 26, 2014 11:10:01 AM
joocey said:
TechyInAZ said:
that is so weird, is the crossfireX bridge in place and enabled? and 85 is actually better than I thought.Also, do you have the latest BIOS?
I believe the 290x don't need a crossfire bridge as it uses the PCI slots?
I believe so but I will double check.
Really want to get this sorted out... Here I thought 2 290xes would be overkill... Yet I am not getting that much better frames then when I had a single 580 ti..
EDIT:
Bios is latest version. Drivers are latest version.
Only ENB on in Skyrim and its still low 20s
That is really weird, what if you try putting the 2nd card in the 1st pci slot and do the same thing with the 1st vid card?
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joocey
July 26, 2014 11:14:07 AM
joocey
July 26, 2014 11:14:39 AM
TechyInAZ said:
joocey said:
TechyInAZ said:
that is so weird, is the crossfireX bridge in place and enabled? and 85 is actually better than I thought.Also, do you have the latest BIOS?
I believe the 290x don't need a crossfire bridge as it uses the PCI slots?
I believe so but I will double check.
Really want to get this sorted out... Here I thought 2 290xes would be overkill... Yet I am not getting that much better frames then when I had a single 580 ti..
EDIT:
Bios is latest version. Drivers are latest version.
Only ENB on in Skyrim and its still low 20s
That is really weird, what if you try putting the 2nd card in the 1st pci slot and do the same thing with the 1st vid card?
I've tested both cards individually and they are exactly the same.
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joocey
July 26, 2014 11:24:26 AM
joocey
July 26, 2014 2:49:44 PM
The reference coolers are crap. See http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/r9-290-accelero-xtr...
and see http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-2...
They will hold you back considerably.
Re: PSU - What 12v, 5v and 3.3v readings are you getting in UEFI?
and see http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-2...
They will hold you back considerably.
Re: PSU - What 12v, 5v and 3.3v readings are you getting in UEFI?
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joocey
July 26, 2014 4:54:01 PM
i7Baby said:
The reference coolers are crap. See http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/r9-290-accelero-xtr... and see http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-2...
They will hold you back considerably.
Re: PSU - What 12v, 5v and 3.3v readings are you getting in UEFI?
Yeah I know I was planning on watercooling the cards but the performance is just terrible...
Also how would I check that the readings?
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joocey
July 26, 2014 5:38:42 PM
OK - they're OK. So your power supply should be working OK. The power supply is v good quality - tier 1 of http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...
You've got both cards locked into their red pcie slots?
And a power supply 6 pin and 8 pin connector connected to each?
They don't use a crossfire bridge on these?
Do they both show up in CCC? Without error per diagnostics?
They both show up in Control Panel, Device Manger? As working properly? With latest drivers?
You've got both cards locked into their red pcie slots?
And a power supply 6 pin and 8 pin connector connected to each?
They don't use a crossfire bridge on these?
Do they both show up in CCC? Without error per diagnostics?
They both show up in Control Panel, Device Manger? As working properly? With latest drivers?
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joocey
July 26, 2014 7:33:26 PM
i7Baby said:
OK - they're OK. So your power supply should be working OK. The power supply is v good quality - tier 1 of http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...You've got both cards locked into their red pcie slots?
Yes
And a power supply 6 pin and 8 pin connector connected to each?
Yes
They don't use a crossfire bridge on these?
Yes
Do they both show up in CCC? Without error per diagnostics?
Yes
They both show up in Control Panel, Device Manger? As working properly? With latest drivers?
Yes
Wow. That's awesome I didn't know it was tier 1!
My replies are in the quote.
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joocey
July 26, 2014 9:33:35 PM
joocey
July 26, 2014 10:00:48 PM
DarylEPerez
July 26, 2014 10:22:10 PM
TechyInAZ said:
Suztera said:
Yes, R9 290X and R9 290 doens't require a crossfire bridge at all.Are you sure you enabled Crossfire in AMD CCC?
Try running Valley or Heaven and measure the result for one R9 290X and crossfire R9 290X and see if there is any difference.
Really? How did AMD figure that out?
Yes, AMD R9 290X doesn't even have the Crossfire ports anymore. That's old news man.
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joocey
July 26, 2014 10:25:33 PM
ParhamTorabi
July 27, 2014 3:28:11 AM
joocey said:
Hello I've been playing around with my rig and decided to go AMD. Ran into a lot of issues in the start but finally been able to get some games running and overall... I'm unimpressed?I was modding Skyrim and my fps outside is around 24 average and drops to as low as 18 in some instances (I have K ENB but still.. something must be wrong).
Even without the enb my skyrim runs at a max of 44 frames on ultra.
Also did testing and it is the same fps as a single card even though my 2nd card is hitting high temps and gpu usage.
For the other game I play which is the Witcher 2 I can run about 90 average without ubersampling but once I put it on I get 40s and drops to low 30s. I thought my rig could handle such games due to benchmarks so am I doing something wrong?
Tested with 14.7 drivers, 14.4, 13.12, etc.
System Specs:
i5-4670k - 4.0GHz
8 gbs of ram
2 x 290x Sapphire Reference Cooler
Dark power Pro 1000w PSU
Asus Hero VI mobo
Windows 8.1
Crossfire is enabled in AMD CCC
Both cards are functioning well singularily
Stats:
gpu clock : 1000MHZz --> 1065MHz oc'd
gpu voltage : 1.135mV --> 1.195mV oc'd
memory clock : 1250MHz --> 1355MHz oc'd
%usage : 100%
temp : 94 on full load --> 86 oc'd
fan speed : 40% --> 60% oc'd
PSU 12v,5, 3.4v:
3v = 3.344
5v = 5v
12v = 12.192
The AMD Radeon R9 290X cooler is terrible as hell. don't use 2 Radeon R9 290X cards. Try AMD Radeon R9 295X2 that is water cooled and the temps won't go over 65 C and 70 C in overclocking which means higher frames and cool GPUs.
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joocey
July 27, 2014 7:45:38 AM
joocey
July 27, 2014 7:47:09 AM
ParhamTorabi said:
joocey said:
Hello I've been playing around with my rig and decided to go AMD. Ran into a lot of issues in the start but finally been able to get some games running and overall... I'm unimpressed?I was modding Skyrim and my fps outside is around 24 average and drops to as low as 18 in some instances (I have K ENB but still.. something must be wrong).
Even without the enb my skyrim runs at a max of 44 frames on ultra.
Also did testing and it is the same fps as a single card even though my 2nd card is hitting high temps and gpu usage.
For the other game I play which is the Witcher 2 I can run about 90 average without ubersampling but once I put it on I get 40s and drops to low 30s. I thought my rig could handle such games due to benchmarks so am I doing something wrong?
Tested with 14.7 drivers, 14.4, 13.12, etc.
System Specs:
i5-4670k - 4.0GHz
8 gbs of ram
2 x 290x Sapphire Reference Cooler
Dark power Pro 1000w PSU
Asus Hero VI mobo
Windows 8.1
Crossfire is enabled in AMD CCC
Both cards are functioning well singularily
Stats:
gpu clock : 1000MHZz --> 1065MHz oc'd
gpu voltage : 1.135mV --> 1.195mV oc'd
memory clock : 1250MHz --> 1355MHz oc'd
%usage : 100%
temp : 94 on full load --> 86 oc'd
fan speed : 40% --> 60% oc'd
PSU 12v,5, 3.4v:
3v = 3.344
5v = 5v
12v = 12.192
The AMD Radeon R9 290X cooler is terrible as hell. don't use 2 Radeon R9 290X cards. Try AMD Radeon R9 295X2 that is water cooled and the temps won't go over 65 C and 70 C in overclocking which means higher frames and cool GPUs.
I doubt that would change anything. My frames are shit and the temps are lower than working temperature.
Valley runs fine and I get a good benchmark yet the games I play are another story. I honestly just think it's the drivers.
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Firstly have you tried enabling profiling. Also a single R9 290X is more than enough for 2K-4K gaming, yet you have 2x 290Xs for 1080p. This is impractical and can't even be considered overkill, it's beyond that. I would be impressed if you were to gain any fps boost because the scaling would be soo terrible at that resolution which such powerful cards. If you ask me, just sell that other 290X, you really don't need it for the resolution your gaming at but before that try disabling CF and see if you performance increases in anyway
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joocey
July 27, 2014 1:53:40 PM
BlankInsanity said:
Firstly have you tried enabling profiling. Also a single R9 290X is more than enough for 2K-4K gaming, yet you have 2x 290Xs for 1080p. This is impractical and can't even be considered overkill, it's beyond that. I would be impressed if you were to gain any fps boost because the scaling would be soo terrible at that resolution which such powerful cards. If you ask me, just sell that other 290X, you really don't need it for the resolution your gaming at but before that try disabling CF and see if you performance increases in anywayWhat do you mean by profiling?
Also wouldn't the fps be worst if I was to run the game at a higher resolution?
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joocey said:
BlankInsanity said:
Firstly have you tried enabling profiling. Also a single R9 290X is more than enough for 2K-4K gaming, yet you have 2x 290Xs for 1080p. This is impractical and can't even be considered overkill, it's beyond that. I would be impressed if you were to gain any fps boost because the scaling would be soo terrible at that resolution which such powerful cards. If you ask me, just sell that other 290X, you really don't need it for the resolution your gaming at but before that try disabling CF and see if you performance increases in anywayWhat do you mean by profiling?
Also wouldn't the fps be worst if I was to run the game at a higher resolution?
for the GPU setup you have, no. One card alone was ment for multi-monitor setups(higher resolution) but you have two so scaling will be much better at high resolutions resulting in a better fps.
AMD and Nvidia creates Crossfire/SLi profiles for games, if these profiles aren't enabled then you can encounter problems within the game itself. IF there is no profiles for the particular game then there is no cf/sli support for that game, however they are cases when the game supports cf/sli despite not being profiled by Nvidia/AMD. Look in your catalyst control panel for profiles
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joocey
July 27, 2014 3:41:57 PM
BlankInsanity said:
joocey said:
BlankInsanity said:
Firstly have you tried enabling profiling. Also a single R9 290X is more than enough for 2K-4K gaming, yet you have 2x 290Xs for 1080p. This is impractical and can't even be considered overkill, it's beyond that. I would be impressed if you were to gain any fps boost because the scaling would be soo terrible at that resolution which such powerful cards. If you ask me, just sell that other 290X, you really don't need it for the resolution your gaming at but before that try disabling CF and see if you performance increases in anywayWhat do you mean by profiling?
Also wouldn't the fps be worst if I was to run the game at a higher resolution?
for the GPU setup you have, no. One card alone was ment for multi-monitor setups(higher resolution) but you have two so scaling will be much better at high resolutions resulting in a better fps.
AMD and Nvidia creates Crossfire/SLi profiles for games, if these profiles aren't enabled then you can encounter problems within the game itself. IF there is no profiles for the particular game then there is no cf/sli support for that game, however they are cases when the game supports cf/sli despite not being profiled by Nvidia/AMD. Look in your catalyst control panel for profiles
Ah I see. Well I went to test skyrim again with all mods and it seems it does benefit from crossfire but not by much. It's kind of ridiculous how I drop to 18 fps at some parts. Vanilla Skyrim FPS is only 44fps which is pitiful and I tried a bunch of profiles w/ and w/o crossfire.
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joocey
July 28, 2014 12:40:34 PM
BlankInsanity said:
Sorry I didn't reply, went out to town. Anyway That's odd for Skyrim to do that. I know this is very unlikely but is the Skyrim fully updated? My old AMD 5770 performed roughly 30-40fps maxed out. A 290X should double or even triple that.Try fooling around with your settings, AA and such.All good I appreciate your time.
I just find it really strange that I am getting such bad frames when the max temps are not being reached... Is this RMA worthy?
I've tried almost everything but no luck.
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July 28, 2014 12:51:39 PM
joocey
July 28, 2014 1:38:58 PM
Optimized Skyrim with all graphics mods to the best I possibly could.
Sitting around 30fps outside with drops as low as 21 fps. City fps 60+stable, Dungeon fps 120+ stable. Still getting only 44fps outside though with vanilla ultra skyrim which is really weird...
Don't know if this is average performance or what? Still bummer about how I cannot run the Witcher 2 w/ ubersampling at 1080p.
Also I still want to benchmark to see if this is what the performance of 2 290x's in crossfire really is.
Sitting around 30fps outside with drops as low as 21 fps. City fps 60+stable, Dungeon fps 120+ stable. Still getting only 44fps outside though with vanilla ultra skyrim which is really weird...
Don't know if this is average performance or what? Still bummer about how I cannot run the Witcher 2 w/ ubersampling at 1080p.
Also I still want to benchmark to see if this is what the performance of 2 290x's in crossfire really is.
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joocey
July 28, 2014 3:37:05 PM
joocey
July 28, 2014 4:06:03 PM
ParhamTorabi
July 28, 2014 10:01:40 PM
joocey said:
13817486,0,1446966 said:
Sorry I didn't reply, went out to town. Anyway That's odd for Skyrim to do that. I know this is very unlikely but is the Skyrim fully updated? My old AMD 5770 performed roughly 30-40fps maxed out. A 290X should double or even triple that.Try fooling around with your settings, AA and such. said:
All good I appreciate your time.
I just find it really strange that I am getting such bad frames when the max temps are not being reached... Is this RMA worthy?
I've tried almost everything but no luck.[/quotemsq]
The problem is from one of your video cards. how is it when you are using a single R9 290X?
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joocey
July 29, 2014 7:54:03 AM
ParhamTorabi said:
joocey said:
BlankInsanity said:
Sorry I didn't reply, went out to town. Anyway That's odd for Skyrim to do that. I know this is very unlikely but is the Skyrim fully updated? My old AMD 5770 performed roughly 30-40fps maxed out. A 290X should double or even triple that.Try fooling around with your settings, AA and such.All good I appreciate your time.
I just find it really strange that I am getting such bad frames when the max temps are not being reached... Is this RMA worthy?
I've tried almost everything but no luck.[/quotemsq]
The problem is from one of your video cards. how is it when you are using a single R9 290X?
After messing around Skyrim has a noticeable improvement with Crossfire but it is still subpar 20 fps drops and vanilla is still capped at 44 fps. Witcher 2 is not affected by crossfire.
Both benchmarks are about double in score when in crossfire.
I tested both cards and they both work fine as stated in my original post.
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