AMD FX 6300 vs A10 7850K

Legion501

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Hello i'm new here and sorry but i'm not so good at english but i have a dilema building a new PC for gaming, not hardcore gaming, can't spend much money, maybe $600 - $700 in all components, but i can't decide what it's the best between this processors (no Intel please, too much expensive in my country) beacuse i heard about the new APU's from AMD and the low price they have and the fact they come with graphics integrated so it's a great option but too many people say the APU's sucks hard and it's better way use a FX 6300 or higher and a dedicated GPU, the thing is that option it's a little bit expensive and i can't cover it with a good motherboard and graphics.

The question is wich one is better option, because i konw the FX it's a little old by now and motherboards i can afford for it are no the best (16gb 1333Mhz...) and the A10 it's more new and updated with some things really cool but not too good than the FX, talking about the CPU.

All i want it's a budget PC for gaming (i don't seek run games in ultra) what i can update with better components later or adding more (more RAM, Dual graphics-crossfire video cards, etc) but run actual games with decent visual quality and for a low price you konw, something to play, not too old and last mmm i don't know, 2 - 3 years or more with some changes. I'm really confuse and i don't want to regret with the purchase.
 
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Here Is a well rounded cheap build that will play a lot of games at medium to high settings. It isnt too far from from my current rig and I destroy console. You dont need a $1000 rig to game. This will even get your foot in the door on Overclocking if you want to try that out. The CPU, GPU and RAM all overclockable.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JR73gs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JR73gs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($18.23 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 Guard-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory...

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the integrated graphics on the A10 are r7-250 which basically sucks even when run in dual graphics with a another 250. If you are going to get a discrete GPU go with the FX part.
 

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he would be better off getting 6300/8xxx build and like a 7870/R9 270 would run pretty well.

Or go a bit better... See all kind deals now for 7950/7970/280s,

heck even temps me to ditch my 270 soon... because the 270 does struggle with some things/games on high/ultra etc

Or just be done with it and get the 290 haha
 

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If you get a 290 then you have to deal with 80 C under load

 

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CPU: AMD FX-6350 3.9GHz 6-Core Processor ($136.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Zalman CNPS10X OPTIMA CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.40 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($13.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $677.31
 

Legion501

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That configuration it's great, i prefer other motherboard but it's okay, the problem is i never could buy that parts for the price you put there, i not live in USA and that build for me cost around $1000 with too much luck.
 

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Where are you from? We can attempt to match the prices with a local website if we knew where you were coming from.
 

noob222

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Here Is a well rounded cheap build that will play a lot of games at medium to high settings. It isnt too far from from my current rig and I destroy console. You dont need a $1000 rig to game. This will even get your foot in the door on Overclocking if you want to try that out. The CPU, GPU and RAM all overclockable.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JR73gs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JR73gs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($18.23 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 Guard-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-03 White ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 300W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Mwave)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $623.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-27 11:23 EDT-0400
 
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Clock for clock FM2+ beats AM3+ by 15%. That is, Steamroller beats Piledriver clock for clock by 15%. So, while the 6300 has two extra cores, each of a 7700k's cores count for 15% more. Single core performance matters quite a bit more than multi-core, so the gains in practice are more than that.

You have full PCIE Gen 3.0 support enabling low latency gpu-gpu and cpu-gpu communication. Yes, that matters for Multi GPU-to-GPU communication and low latency response to input, it will be extremely important for LiquidiVR and VR-SLI. It will improve gains from DirectX 12. You have all the IPC and ISA improvements that came with Steamroller. You have higher bandwidth and a lower latency memory controller. You have esata and m2 slots. Not to mention you have a solid OpenCL 2.0 accelerator with HSA support on the chip itself, which for many workloads is amazing.

Sure, the existance of the 2 extra cores will muscle past all these architectural advances, and the OpenCL performance is irrelevant if you're coupling with a 300$ GPU. While none of these architectural improvements are major on their own, they all add up, putting Kaveri much closer on the heals of the FX 6300 than FX fanboys like to think. If ALL you are doing is gaming then an FX 6300 is technically the better choice, but if that case and you're dropping a moderate sum of money on enthusiast grade PSU, Graphics, Motherboard, Ram, Drive, why can't you afford 30$ extra for an low end i5 or 8320 anyway? Even without the OpenCL accelerator units a FX chip with all the gains of Steamroller if it existed would be a massive improvement over Vishera's Pildrivers, it would literally make the FX line compete with desktop i7 Haswells and Skylakes.

Besides, the 7700k paired with a mid range card is more than capable of 1080p gaming at medium settings at at least 30fps. The 7700k also has a GPU, so you also get the added bonus of things like TrueAudio support even with an Nvidia card, which I personally find AMAZING in games that use it in combination with my cheapo industry standard Sony MDR 7506 headphones. The ability to have both TrueAudio and GPU Physx on the cheap alone makes the 7700k more valuable than the 6300 for the games I play.

Beyond that, if you're a streamer, the 7700k lets you stream without massive FPS drops by using the APU for the job instead of the CPU/GPU running your games. I'm talking massive performance penalties on the FX side that just are not there in Kaveri because it has dedicated hardware for the job. If you're going to use your PC to stream to a TV via SteamOS this really matters. Of course this doesn't matter if you have a 980 or 390 you don't care but in that case who cares about a hardware peasant's 6300?