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July 28, 2014 1:07:15 PM

Hello Geeks!

I'm ready to click buy now on newegg.ca but after consulting MANY posts from this forum from people asking advice... I thought I would ask the same, to be on the safe side, and possibly benefit from pro builders advice and comments.

I'm building a "future proof (4/5 years)" pc. I got it right last time getting a i7 920 with 6 gigs ram and dual gtx 260 in 2009 ... but time has come for me to upgrade... and since I went Dell's way... I'm stuck without an upgrade path (it was a 730x with the x58 socket and pc1066 ram ... pcie 2.0) ... the only thing I added was an agility 3 ssd from ocz 2 years ago .. and it's the best upgrade I've ever done to a pc!!

Now my directx 10 gpu's are not compatible with new games coming out... like trials fusion so I saved money and I'm ready to build! (yeah... build this time, not buy a premade box!)

Here's my part list. I'll wait for your expert opinions before buying... keep in mind I might add another 780GTX gpu in the future, hence the overkill psu... and I know the motherboard is overkill but I want to have the possibility to play with overclocking as well... I've been told it's about the best money can buy for the most stable overclocks.. plus it will look cool with that c70 military case :p  I love camo stuff. (I chose the gskill sniper against ares just for the looks) :p 

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/madlogik/saved/qFvqqs

Thanks again for your help guys.
July 28, 2014 1:30:01 PM

case wise i would go with a full tower, like the corsair 750D. Nice and roomy for 2 GPU's and wires wont be all bunched up. Other than that this computer will last you the years you want. You can also have 8gb of ram but if you want 16 go for it
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July 28, 2014 1:30:20 PM

I was able to trim the price down just enough to add another GTX 780.

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/J2vJgs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/J2vJgs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($354.98 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($41.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($138.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($105.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($549.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($549.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case ($169.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($219.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($67.59 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro (OEM) (64-bit) ($161.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2606.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-28 16:29 EDT-0400
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July 28, 2014 1:36:40 PM

What resolution is your monitor/will your monitor be? I ask because you may be better suited with a 4GB GTX 770, or a R9 290 if you're going to add another card down the road anyway.

The i7-4790k can be swapped with a i5-4690k for 1/3 less. Unless you're using a specific application that will benefit from the hyper-threading (most games don't). Likewise, you COULD get away with 8GB of RAM, as most games aren't even approaching that yet. Plus it's easy to add a 2nd kit later.

The SSD and HDDs are solid, but why 2 1-TB drives? If you're going for performance, just keep the needy stuff on the SSD and get a single 2TB drive. If you're going for a redundant RAID array, you may want to swap them with WD Red drives (slightly better for RAIDs).

Finally, the H100i is a solid cooler, but I'd recommend a big air cooler, as it will be quieter, and do a better job cooling the rest of the motherboard than a Closed-Loop Water Cooler. The Noctua NH-D14 is a good choice, and very easy to install. If you want to stick with the CCL, grab some 120mm/140mm fans to slap on that side of that C70 as intakes. That way they'll hit the GPUs and Mobo directly. Plus, more intake than exhaust fans is always nice to build up some positive pressure in the case, forcing dust/etc out (in theory).

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July 28, 2014 1:39:03 PM

theonerm2 said:
I was able to trim the price down just enough to add another GTX 780.


Easy now! If this sucker is just powering a 1080p monitor, the 2nd 780 is just going to add more noise and suck more power. If it's higher res, that's another story...
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July 28, 2014 2:47:31 PM

theonerm2 said:
I was able to trim the price down just enough to add another GTX 780.

PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/J2vJgs
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/J2vJgs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($354.98 @ Newegg Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($41.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($138.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($105.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($549.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($549.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case ($169.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($219.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($67.59 @ Newegg Canada)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro (OEM) (64-bit) ($161.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $2606.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-28 16:29 EDT-0400


Thank a lot for the input. I know the mobo and the ram is a lot cheaper, but that's a well thought out solution to cram 2x 780's in there right away ! ... you make me think a lot ... I went for quality over price... but these are still "quality" parts. I need the 16 gigs, and I cant go much over 2600$ CDN with taxes... but thanks a lot! Also, I'm trying to get info about the case, the other comment about the size being to small for multiple gpus... hummm...
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July 28, 2014 2:49:55 PM

Somber said:
case wise i would go with a full tower, like the corsair 750D. Nice and roomy for 2 GPU's and wires wont be all bunched up. Other than that this computer will last you the years you want. You can also have 8gb of ram but if you want 16 go for it


thanks for your input. I do need 16 gig.. and I love the style of the c70... it has multiple inputs for other fan if needed and nice cable management. most pictures in google image shows sli configs and they look nice!



but, changing a case is not a big deal if needed in the future... the rest is what matters...

thanks again.
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July 28, 2014 3:00:43 PM

Rapajez said:
What resolution is your monitor/will your monitor be? I ask because you may be better suited with a 4GB GTX 770, or a R9 290 if you're going to add another card down the road anyway.

The i7-4790k can be swapped with a i5-4690k for 1/3 less. Unless you're using a specific application that will benefit from the hyper-threading (most games don't). Likewise, you COULD get away with 8GB of RAM, as most games aren't even approaching that yet. Plus it's easy to add a 2nd kit later.

The SSD and HDDs are solid, but why 2 1-TB drives? If you're going for performance, just keep the needy stuff on the SSD and get a single 2TB drive. If you're going for a redundant RAID array, you may want to swap them with WD Red drives (slightly better for RAIDs).

Finally, the H100i is a solid cooler, but I'd recommend a big air cooler, as it will be quieter, and do a better job cooling the rest of the motherboard than a Closed-Loop Water Cooler. The Noctua NH-D14 is a good choice, and very easy to install. If you want to stick with the CCL, grab some 120mm/140mm fans to slap on that side of that C70 as intakes. That way they'll hit the GPUs and Mobo directly. Plus, more intake than exhaust fans is always nice to build up some positive pressure in the case, forcing dust/etc out (in theory).




Thanks a ton! that's a complete answer!

1: for the resolution: I'll keep doing 1080p (maybe 1440p if I change my monitors in the future) but I'm not going 4K just yet (windows is ugly / hard to read in 4k from what I've heard) I'd rather have a solid 60fps with 1080p and I'll get myself a gsync monitor when prices become reasonable. 1 card is enough for most games nowadays and I'll see if I either get another one in the future or just change it for the new offerings ...

2: I do a lot of video encoding and I run VM's ... so both the ram (16 gig being a minimum in my future proof (2 sticks for now and I can add 2 more later if needed) and the i7 over the i5 .. I already have a 920 i7 ... going back to an i5 seems counter productive. I know about the price cut that could be achieved! something to think over. for a purely gaming build the i5 is the sweet spot indeed.

3: 1 ssd for the main os (I currently have a 120 gig ocz agility 3 and I can live with that... but 256 will be a nice option to get more programs to the main drive) and 2x 1tb drives... raid 0 performance all the way (I do my backups on an external 4 tb drive aldready from time to time .. (images)) I currently have a single 1tb and it's used both for storage and installing programs / my shell folders (my documents / my music / dropbox / gdrive / mega) ...

4: The nh-d14 was my air cooler of choice, but it seems HUGE for such a small case (medium tower) and the h100i is better suited for overclocking ... + the corsair c70 case has a nice mounting on the top for it... with rubber pegs to prevent vibration... and I need to get the hot air out radiating from the top seems like a good idea. Noise is not really an issue... I currently have a 1000w psu in my tower + 2x gtx 260 + dell's air system... it's so loud that I can't believe this will be worse! hehe


but thanks for your input.
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July 28, 2014 3:05:30 PM

Yeah, the C70 should have no problem fitting SLI. I think you can just remove the hard drive cages if they're in the way.

PS: When I said "If this sucker is just powering a 1080p monitor..." I meant the system, not you. lol...
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July 28, 2014 3:17:28 PM

1. Got it. Definitely save the 2nd GPU for when you need it (and when the price has come down). You may want to check out the R9 290 (with a good aftermarket cooler like the Sapphire Tri-X), as it beats the 780 in most situations, is cheaper, and has an extra 1GB of VRAM.

2. Fair enough, definitely worth the CPU/RAM in that case.

3. The performance you get out of a SSD will trump any HDD RAID 0. 256GB should be enough to keep all the speed-depandant stuff off of the HDD, which is why you could cheap out here. Maybe a larger SSD, and a single HDD for the same total $ may be a good alternative? SSDs generally get faster with higher capacities as an added bonus. I suppose if you really need 2TB of cheap, fast storage, that's the way to go (with a backup of course).

4. I wouldn't say it's better suited for OC'ing, as you're usually talking about 1-2 degrees C over the air cooler. In addition, some of the mobo components may overheat before the CPU will, since they're now getting less air. (Hence the side fan recommendation) Either way, I would totally buy a CCL if only because it looks cool, I get it.
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July 28, 2014 3:37:33 PM

Rapajez said:
1. Got it. Definitely save the 2nd GPU for when you need it (and when the price has come down). You may want to check out the R9 290 (with a good aftermarket cooler like the Sapphire Tri-X), as it beats the 780 in most situations, is cheaper, and has an extra 1GB of VRAM.

2. Fair enough, definitely worth the CPU/RAM in that case.

3. The performance you get out of a SSD will trump any HDD RAID 0. 256GB should be enough to keep all the speed-depandant stuff off of the HDD, which is why you could cheap out here. Maybe a larger SSD, and a single HDD for the same total $ may be a good alternative? I suppose if you really need 2TB of cheap, fast storage, that's the way to go (with a backup of course).

4. I wouldn't say it's better suited for OC'ing, as you're usually talking about 1-2 degrees C over the air cooler. In addition, some of the mobo components may overheat before the CPU will, since they're now getting less air. (Hence the side fan recommendation) Either way, I would totally buy a CCL if only because it looks cool, I get it.


I will most likely listen to your HDD recommendations. 1 bigger drive for now... easier to back up and less expensive to repair, less likely to fail..

I had bad luck with AMD's drivers back in the days (when it was still called ATI)... had to get omega's drivers... I sweared that I would never buy AMD again... and from comments I read, drivers are still a struggle... always trying to make things their way (mantle) ... so no thanks + CUDA is a must have for me. (lots of gpu uses for video encoding and rainbow tables and cracking GSM keys and such.... (for fun) ) ... and nvidia din't disappoint over the
last 5 years... but the the geforce experience I need to have to update drivers but for which my cards are not supported :/  hehe but what the heck... still works just fine to keep my drivers up to date!

As for the liquid cooling... yes... it does look cool and I do want that "cool" factor... :p  get it ... cool factor.. for a cpu cooler... ohh well I'm getting tired of all that searching... sorry. :p 

I would really like to thank everyone of you that participated on the thread! Much appreciated. I needed other views and I got plenty.

If I ever encounter someone asking me for the best system for the price for gaming only then, theonerm2 solution is a great compromise between quality and price... probably the best bang for the buck available today! thanks.


ps: I knew / hoped hehe you were talking about the system and not me. ;) 
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July 29, 2014 8:08:25 AM

Ah, yes, forgot about the workstation-type stuff. You probably want NVIDIA then. One last point:

The only reason I mention the GTX 770 is you can get a 4GB model. In SLI, the VRAM doesn't stack, so even if you get 2x 3GB 780's, your total VRAM for gaming would still be 3GB. Most games barely touch 2GB at 1080p, but 4K is another story. If you were to SLI a 2nd card down the road, the extra VRAM may be worth it to prevent a bottleneck.
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