1st time build

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I'm looking to build my 1st gaming PC, trying to do it for as little as possible but with maybe the option to upgrade as I go along. Currently I use my pc for world of warcraft but I'm slowly feeling my self transitioning from Xbox to pc gaming hence wanting the option to upgrade it if needs be.

Basket Subtotal (5 items): £327.14.
MSI 970A-G43 AMD 970 ATX Motherboard (PCI-E, Socket AM3+)
£45.36
You save: £24.63 (35%)

Sapphire Dual-X Radeon R9 270X OC 2GB GDDR5 Graphics Card with Boost
£119.00
You save: £82.52 (41%)

Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9 XMP Performance Desktop Memory Kit Black
£64.06
You save: £1.31 (2%)

AMD FX6300 Black Edition 6 Core (3.5/4.1GHz, 8MB Level 3 Cache, 6MB Level 2 Cache, Socket AM3+, 95W, Retail Boxed)
£71.52
You save: £40.89 (36%)

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (120mm)
£27.20
You save: £2.79 (9%)

planning on using my Lancool pc-k7 case, ocz500mxsp 500w power supply and 2xwd caviar 250gb hd if I can to save money for now! I hope this makes sense and thanks in advance

Ricky
 
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That card is going to require a 450-500w psu according to most gaming reports plus the cpu pulls at least 95w and if overclocked probably more. I wouldn't go with less than a 620w psu and the best combination of wattage plus reliability would probably be the Seasonic S12II 620w. You have to realize, especially with power hungry fans running (How many fans will depend on how much overclock.), external drives, memory modules, graphics adapters etc., that you'll likely be cutting it close if you start upgrading later. This should give you enough power plus a little headroom.

+1 on KyleADunn's comment about the board. If you're going to go with a board that doesn't have at least the 990 chipset then it's highly recommended for 970...

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Everything looks compatible!

But a few suggestions.

Motherboard: I used that same board in my first build, and let me tell you, it's a pretty huge let down. The 4 + 1 phase design will not allow for much overclocking down the line, and the over-all experience with the board was pretty meh. I recently upgraded to a Gigabyte UD3 990fx. Almost twice the price, but perhaps twice the performance capability. More so ,definitely, when it comes to overclocking; something you'll be very capable of doing with that Hyper 212.

PSU: You're cutting things real close with a 500w. Upgrade before trying to overclock.

 
Even overclocking, this system would probably pull under 500w, but it will be pretty close.

As for motherboard, it'll support basic functionality and maybe a small overclocking margin if you're going to try that in the future. The overall system would do just fine.
 
That card is going to require a 450-500w psu according to most gaming reports plus the cpu pulls at least 95w and if overclocked probably more. I wouldn't go with less than a 620w psu and the best combination of wattage plus reliability would probably be the Seasonic S12II 620w. You have to realize, especially with power hungry fans running (How many fans will depend on how much overclock.), external drives, memory modules, graphics adapters etc., that you'll likely be cutting it close if you start upgrading later. This should give you enough power plus a little headroom.

+1 on KyleADunn's comment about the board. If you're going to go with a board that doesn't have at least the 990 chipset then it's highly recommended for 970 chipsets to use this one:

8 + 2 Power Phase design.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ MotherboardP ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $74.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 
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Wow thanks for the super fast replys and awesome answers :) ok so I've changed to the Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX motherboard and the 620w power supply yous have suggested, got a little more research to do than I'm gunna hit the order button :) wish me the best of luck no doubt I'll be here again soon haha thanks again
 
Tell you what, why don't you hold that thought. Why don't you post the budget you have available to build with, what exactly you want to be able to do with it and myself and probably several others around here can post a recommended component list for you?
 

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Sounds fab! Well as I said I have the Lancool pc-k7 case, ocz500mxsp 500w power supply and 2x wd caviar 250gb hd If I need any of them replaced then so be it. As for now I'd like to just be able to play world of warcraft on high-maybe ultra settings. I have a keyboard, mouse, OS and I a budget of £400. Thanks again darkbreeze I really appreciate your time
 
That's about 536.00 in US currency right? Just want to know I don't give you any bad information and be sure what you have to work with. Also, I know you're probably getting all worked up to go ahead and order your parts but I'll tell you from experience, it's better to wait a little bit longer and make sure you have the RIGHT components than to order in a hurry and then kick yourself later. I've got some meetings to go to and I'll work on this tonight for you. BTW, it's about 3:43 pm where I am right now so you have an idea.
 

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Around 677.00 according to Google. Yeh good advice, I've had to hold my self back from ordering a few times and every time I have I've ending up making changes :p No rush, it's 23:00 here so off to bed in a hour or so, so I'll get back to you in the morning :)
 
I remember something about voltages are different at the outlet in the UK, how's that work? Just wondering about that and if it affects PC components. Do they need to use some kind of power conditioner or is it not a big difference. Seems like it might be controlled via the PSU but I'm not sure about that.
 
Well, here's the thing. I don't know what the availability of components and vendors is in the UK or if the common one's like Newegg, TigerDirect and Microcenter have distributors in your area or what it costs if you have to have stuff shipped so you'll have to figure that part out. I came in under your stated budget by about 20 dollars US and I believe it includes shipping prices, but in the US. You will have to maybe look around and find those components where they are available to you for the cheapest.

You could probably shave some dollars off going with a 650w PSU but I included a 750 in case you decided to add another graphics card later for a crossfire setup. The card I picked is substantially better than the one you had picked as it will play pretty much any current game except maybe a few of the most recent and most demanding games at max resolution without having to lower the detail quality. You could go with the card you had picked out and shave a few more dollars off there but since you intend this mostly for gaming I don't think this is the component I would skimp on. You don't have to go with the brand I chose if you can find another brand cheaper but I would I think go with the R9 280 chipset.

I went with the higher frequency 8 core processor so you don't bottleneck later if you add another card and that board and psu should support the 125w processor with no problem even if you downgrade the PSU to the Seasonic M12II 650 or 620w model. If you don't care about the cable management so much you could even downgrade to the non-modular version which is going to be the S12II versions at whatever wattage you decide on and save a few more bucks. Myself, I don't care so much about it being show quality in the case and went with the S12II. I was still able to manage the cables so they were out of the way but my case has space between the board mounting and the panel to do this. I don't know if your case does or not so you'll need to decide on that part.

I went with 1866 higher frequency memory, because the board and processor support it and it was actually cheaper than the 1600mhz version. You could go either way on that and it wouldn't make a huge difference so if you can get the 1600mhz cheaper it won't be a major dent in performance.

The 212 EVO will allow you to do some overclocking and still keep your temps within reason but don't plan to go overboard with the OC unless you get a better cooler setup. You can do that at a later time if you decide you need to, or now and not have to absorb the cost of the EVO later.

So that's my list for what it's worth and I think you would be much happier with the end result for realistically not that much more money than what you had outlined to start with. Either way, good luck with your build and let us know how it goes.



PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($80.75 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Power supply: Seasonic M12II 750w modular PSU(94.99@ Newegg)
Total: $651.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-29 23:50 EDT-0400
 
Ok, here's the UK version. I had to back track and downgrade a few things which kinda put us back where we were at the beginning because it IS obviously more expensive for components where you are. I couldn't get it all within your budget considering the addition of the PSU. If there is any way to go to the better graphics card on your part, I'd recommend it, but it isn't a go no go decision. BTW, you DO need the PSU. Yours is very borderline, plus, it's got some miles on it. I wouldn't risk it. But it's your build so you decide where you need to go with it and good luck.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor (£97.00 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.13 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£62.96 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£65.51 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card (£119.00 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£83.75 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £453.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-30 06:10 BST+0100
 

Blackkeys85

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Ok so I've decided to go with

AMD FX6300 Black Edition 6 Core (3.5/4.1GHz, 8MB Level 3 Cache, ...
£71.52

Corsair Builder Series CX 600 Watt ATX/EPS 80 PLUS Bronze Power Supply Unit
£47.89

Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9R 8GB (2x 4GB) Vengeance DDR3 Memory Module Kit - Red
£68.88

Cooler Master Hyper 412s Tower Cooler for CPU
£28.99

Gigabyte 970A-UD3P Motherboard (AMD 970, SB950 DDR3, SATA, RAID, ATX, Gigabit Ethernet LAN, Socket AM3+)
£62.96

SAPPHIRE AMD R9 280 Graphics Card (3GB, DDR5)
£147.99

I've used the graphics card, ram and motherboard you suggested. With the cpu I thought I'd try and save a bit of money so I could go with the better graphics card and if I decide on an extra graphics card down the line I'll upgrade the cpu then. I found the corsair 600w psu also but not a 100% sure if that is still enough? I just liked the price :p
 


I never like to go against what another member has to say, however in this case I think I have to, and please don't be offended as it's only MY opionion and I'm clearly not trying to indicate yours is in any way intentionally wrong or false. I don't think a 550w PSU is going to cut it with an FX series processor, two DDR3 modules, at least two 120mm fans (I certainly hope there will be more than just the CPU and exhaust fan running if and when you do any OC'ing.), a mechanical hard drive, a high power consumption graphics card plus other components like external drives, printers, and the like, most especially if he does add a second card for a crossfire later, regardless of what the calculators say. It's a pretty damn good brand you picked although personally I'll take the Seasonic over anybody, any day. I for sure wouldn't use that Corsair PSU though. It's midway down the tiers on the Tom's PSU tier list and clearly states it's not recommended for OC'ing and probably it's not the best choice especially since for the money you're talking about on the XFX you could get this Seasonic 620w.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151096&cm_re=seasonic_S12II-_-17-151-096-_-Product

or the UK version

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss620gm2

And yes, I do realize the XFX is made for them by Seasonic but it's its 70w less than the other one which is almost as much power as the CPU uses. So it would probably work but as I said earlier, don't kick yourself later for skimping now. If you have to wait an extra week or month to get suitable components, then do it. You might even find some of the prices have dropped by then.