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hey there im from Malaysia and here is my budget Rm 1400$,and im buying components to replace some extremely old component from this old Desktop my grandmother gave me,I would use my desktop for Work(Digital art) and also games like Dota 2 and Warthunder,im not hardcore so just able to run the game on High setting would be enough,So here what im planning to buy so far(PLEASE HELP)

1.Motherboard(ASUS H61M-PRO MOTHERBOARD) Rm 210
2.Ram(KINGSTON HYPERX HX316C10F/4 RAM) Rm 182
3.PSU(XIGMATEK CENTAURO XTK-CB-0700M POWER SUPPLY) Rm 374
4.Fan(AIR AIR SERIES SP120 PWM QUIET EDITION HIGH STATIC FAN) Rm 86
5.Cpu(INTEL PENTIUM G3220 PROCESSOR) Rm 191
6.Graphic card(ASUS GT630-SL-2GD3-L GRAPHIC CARD) Rm 259
7.Internal Hard Drive(WD BLUE WD3200LPVX 2.5" 7MM HARD DRIVES) Rm 158

Window 8.1 Os

Website where im doing my shopping http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/harddisk-drive.html?price=-500

= Rm 1460
*well i only have like Rm 1400 in my Bank account then Im Flat done,i dont have any job(been turn down by everyone since i have very crimininal-like face),my parent is the one that provide me shelter and food,either way im not here to tell my personal problem.(no Worries i have a big plan for my future that why im on tomhardware anyway)

PLEASE HELP me here,will the system be compatible with one another,will it run,will it work,any suggestion is sure appreciated,Thank you very much if you have read this far,Please reply! :)
 
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That PSU is too much for that PC, you could try a lower end corsair like http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/corsair-vs-series-vs550-power-supply.html , and getting better CPU/GPU depending on what you really want.

If I were you I would invest that money in GPU since the one you proposed is not going to do so well the casual gaming, maybe dota but I don't think much more than that.

I think you wont need the fan also... you could buy a Hyper TX3, T4 or 212 for the CPU if you want but that case fan is not really needed, and it's almost half the price of your current CPU...

Removing the fan, changing the PSU, should give you enough to change a little the GPU and maybe even the CPU.
 
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Live and learn! thats is part of the fun of building your own custom system. Check out the site pcpartpicker.com i am hesitant to pick some parts for you because of the currency exchange. But there may be a Malaysian option there.

 
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Hello, try what I said earlier ;) get rid of that PSU and use the one I linked or similar, and get rid of the case fan too and try a better GPU. Then show us the new parts and we will see!
 
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well the one you link has only 550Watt but it certaintly cut the price So CORSAIR VS SERIES VS550 POWER SUPPLY(Rm 194) and for the graphic card would be GAINWARD GEFORCE GTX 750 1GB GDDR5 GRAPHIC CARD which cost Rm 402,plus forget about the internal hard drive i have like 40 gb space left and with 1Tb external hard drive,and now it would cost me Rm 1180..hmmm this totally cut the price,dont you thing i need to change the Cpu too??(you help alot by the way,Wow i realy love it totally help me)maybe the cpu needs a makeover too..

 
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You can look at 750TI also if you want the best possible performance without need for external power, however 750 (non ti) is a very good improvement from the other card you were thinking of (much much better). You could check if you can get one i3 processor too.

Don't worry about it being "only" 550W, it's already double the power you need with a 750, however this is good since PSU efficiency is the best when you are using half of it.
 
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well how about AMD DUAL-CORE A6-SERIES APU A6-6400K for my Cpu,its Rm 299,but do you things this Cpu is Worth it,im not going over Rm 1500 thats for sure,i3 is quite,so what do you thing?

1.Motherboard(ASUS H61M-PRO MOTHERBOARD) (Rm 210)
2.Ram(KINGSTON HYPERX HX316C10F/4 RAM) (Rm 182)
3.PSU(CORSAIR VS SERIES VS550 POWER SUPPLY) (Rm 194)
4.CPU(AMD DUAL-CORE A6-SERIES APU A6-6400K) (Rm 299)
5.Graphic Card(GAINWARD GEFORCE GTX 750 1GB GDDR5 GRAPHIC CARD) (Rm 402)

*Rm 1287(Sorry i counted wrongly just now,this one is right,or am i missing something?)
Will this one be fine on Warthunder and Digital art?
With Intel Core i3-3220 Processor it would cost me Rm 1346

*this old Desktop is 32 bit most of this component is 64 bit,how do i change this old Desktop to 64 bit?
 
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No, no, AMD means you have to change the MB too and will yield much less performance for you. Anyways you should change it (current motherboard) since it's socket 1155 and you should get a 1150 cpu and 1150 motherboard for more options in future upgrades.

Remove current motherboard and AMD CPU, try searching one 1150 motherboard and this is a list of 1150 procesors: http://www.cpu-world.com/Sockets/Socket_1150_LGA1150_H3.html (if you have no idea try one i3 4130 http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html and we'll check that).

You could try also http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/asrock-h81m-dgs-motherboard.html for the mother board.
 
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After a little bit of research i thing i might have come with quite an Ok component,so here's mine

1.Motherboard(GIGABYTE GA-B85M-D3H MOTHERBOARD) Rm 290
2.Ram(KINGSTON HYPERX HX316C10F/4 RAM) Rm 182
3.Psu(XIGMATEK NRP-VC603 NRP-VC SERIES POWER SUPPLY) Rm 204
4.INTEL CORE I3-4130 PROCESSOR (Rm 368)
5.Graphic Card(GAINWARD GEFORCE GTX 750 1GB GDDR5 GRAPHIC CARD) (Rm 402)

=Rm 1446(pretty costy)

*i had my brother he said hes friend has intel celeron and are able to run Dota 2 and stuff.Like i said before im not a Hardcore gamer,just would able to run a game such as Warthunder medium Graphic that its fine,so right now i feel like im putting to much on this,with that Gainward GeForce Gtx 750,where as my bro Graphic is like 650 only and are able to run games like Dark soul and so.what do you thing(thanks for giving me great reply)


 
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Will you reuse your hard drive, DVD and case then?

If you really need to cut something you could use this motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/msi-h81-p33-motherboard.html and you will see same performance.

If you really need to reduce costs without losing current performance you would have to use this motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/asrock-h81m-dgs-motherboard.html

(Edit: I thought some PSU was good but removed it since in the review I just read it had some false advertising.)
 
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yeah i have finaly came with a better and cheaper component!

*A completed makeover

1.Graphic card(GAINWARD GEFORCE GT 640 2GB DDR3 GRAPHIC CARD)
2.Hardrive(SEAGATE BARRACUDA 320GB SATA 3 DESKTOP HARD DRIVE)
3.Ram.(CORSAIR CMV4GX3M1A1600C11 DIMM MEMORY)
4.PSU.(CORSAIR VS SERIES VS550 POWER SUPPLY)
5.Motherboard(ASUS B85M-G MOTHERBOARD)
6.CPU(INTEL PENTIUM G3450 PROCESSOR)
7.Wireless(AZTECH WL578USB HIGH-SPEED WIRELESS-N USB 2.0 ADAPTER)
=Rm1421
*so hows now?
 
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Same price as before, much much less performance... much worse build,
Do you need a hard drive then?

If that's the only place you can look for prices I would take:

1.Motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/asrock-h81m-dgs-motherboard.html RM184
2.Ram http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/ram-memory/corsair-cmv4gx3m1a1600c11-dimm-memory.html RM142
3.Psu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/corsair-vs-series-vs450-power-supply.html RM150
4.Cpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html RM368
5.Gpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/gpu-video-cards/gainward-geforce-gtx-750-1gb-gddr5-graphic-card.html RM402

If you really need a hard drive:
6. http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/harddisk-drive/western-digital-blue-wd5000lpvx-2-5-7mm-hard-drives.html RM170

Total: 1246
With HDD: 1416

Much higher performance and the PSU is fine, Channel well construction 450W can do with this pc, in fact, this pc will probably only take about 220W maybe... so 450W psu will have the best efficiency.

I had to make you this since your last thing was much less performance only because adding one HD.
This one same performance + HDD, it's just very tight bugdet.

Avoid big changes from this, but ask and I will answer.
 
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Ok,i just did like 4 hours research for my component to run Compatible with each other avoiding crash,error,etc at it best and iv did quite a major change with Cpu,Gpu and the motherboard and here is it

ASROCK B85M PRO4 MOTHERBOARD (Rm 284)
GIGABYTE GV-N640OC-2GI (Gt 640) GRAPHIC CARD (Rm 349)
INTEL CORE I3-3220 PROCESSOR (Rm 358)
CORSAIR VS SERIES VS550 POWER SUPPLY (Rm 194)
Corsair CMV4GX3M1A1600C11 DIMM Memory (Rm 142)


=Rm 1327
*I think the motherboard is pretty good with decent price
*After a quite research,iv chose Geforce Gt640 rather then GTX750(too extreme),the GT640 are able to run Dota2*max,battlefield and so forth,(seen it in youtube)
*im having doubts here,its between Pentium and core i3,because my friend had celeron and are able to run dota2
*im choosing 550 Watt corsair just to play safe since my graphic card require 350 watt leaving me 200 watts only
*cheapest memory

(I personally thing this one a good one,for the hard drive,since it doesnt cost that much il get my dad to buy it.

 
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Okay buddy I will have to explain a couple things:
- First: there is no point in buying that since I gave you before a 1416 build WITH hard drive that has much much more performance (and 750), there is no point in buying less GPU and not wining ANYTHING at all, not even price since my price was much better.
- Second: The recommended PSU that nvidia recomends for that card is 350 for ALL the system. In fact, all the components I recommended at full load won't take more than mid 200's W since they are very energy efficient.
- Third: PSU have the best efficiency when they are under 50% load, 450W corsair PSU will be using from 30 to 70% load with that computer. So it's the best efficiency.
- Four: there is no point in a better PSU that the corsair one since you would only do so to be able to upgrade soon, but you don't have to upgrade so soon if you have better performance to start with.
- Five: It doesn't matter what your friend has, you CAN HAVE BETTER PERFORMANCE SAME PRICE, which is much more inteligent build, don't just buy a worse procesor, worse GPU, to upgrade... ¿¿motherboard?? ¿¿psu?? so you want a better motherboard an psu that DONT get better performance, just so they acompany better with your LESS cpu and LESS gpu? I don't think so, that's why I told you to ask here instead of researching.

Short story buy this if you want HDD:
1.Motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/asrock-h81m-dgs-motherboard.html RM184
2.Ram http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/ram-memory/corsair-cmv4gx3m1a1600c11-dimm-memory.html RM142
3.Psu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/corsair-vs-series-vs450-power-supply.html RM150
4.Cpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html RM368
5.Gpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/gpu-video-cards/gainward-geforce-gtx-750-1gb-gddr5-graphic-card.html RM402
HDD:
6. http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/harddisk-drive/western-digital-blue-wd5000lpvx-2-5-7mm-hard-drives.html RM170
Total: 1246
With HDD: 1416

If you want non-HDD build below 1400 with better PSU and motherboard (bad idea I preffer more ram):
1.Motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/motherboard/msi-h81-p33-motherboard.html RM258
2.Ram http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/ram-memory/corsair-cmv4gx3m1a1600c11-dimm-memory.html RM142
3.Psu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/corsair-vs-series-vs550-power-supply.html RM192
4.Cpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html RM368
5.Gpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/gpu-video-cards/gainward-geforce-gtx-750-1gb-gddr5-graphic-card.html RM402
Total: 1362

What would I BUY if I were you (best performance, better memory performance):
1. Motherboard http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/asrock-h81m-dgs-motherboard.html RM184
2.Ramx2 http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/ram-memory/corsair-cmv4gx3m1a1600c11-dimm-memory.html RM284 (Two sticks).
3.Psu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/corsair-vs-series-vs450-power-supply.html RM150
4.Cpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html RM368
5.Gpu http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/gpu-video-cards/gainward-geforce-gtx-750-1gb-gddr5-graphic-card.html RM402
Total: 1388

DON'T research! if you have doubts just BUY the build I would buy! (last one). Complete performance and quality for years. Any other build is just because meh.
 
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hmm your right,sorry for being such a pain in the ass,im going with most of em

1.http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/gpu-video-cards/gainward-geforce-gtx-750-1gb-gddr5-graphic-card.html
2.http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/intel-core-i3-4130-processor.html
3.http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/psu-power-supply-unit/cooler-master-thunder-500w-psu.html
4.http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/ram-memory/corsair-cmv4gx3m1a1600c11-dimm-memory.html
5.http://www.techhypermart.com/pc-parts/motherboard/asus-h81m-c-motherboard.html
=Rm 1326

*I dont realy need 8 gb ram though.actually 2 gb is enough,but im going for 4 since its much better,i totally agree with the Processor and Graphic card,however i dont realy know about Asrock,so im going for Asus because of its quality,and for the PSU il be going 500 Watt instead so i dont have to upgrade it in near future.

*QUESTIONS*
1. the gainward graphic you pointed has this 28nm and the intel has 22nm,there not the same?(i dont even know what are they)
2.In Youtube some guy said ""make sure all Component are compatible with each other""how do i know?
3.how do i know if all the wire pin fits to each of all this component?
 
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Compatibility is easy: same socket on cpu and motherboard (which you have since both are 1150, newest one). Using the correct ram (DDR3 board slot and DDR3 stick for desktops).

And that's it. Also I check compatibility for you, don't worry.
Compatible pieces can be conected between each other with no problem in pins or anything, no worries.

BTW Asrock is top 3 seller of main boards, and was once part of Asus also, (they were the same company some time ago) aslo asrock is now building much better quality compared to what they used to build some years ago.
I would choose Asrock for the price.

The reason I recommend two sticks of ram is because Dual Channel, this is a technology that will make the Ram go much faster if you use 2 sticks instead of using only 1 stick.

If you don't want 2x4Gb sticks, then look at 2x2Gb (total 4gb) for dual channel.

Quality in a PSU is much more important that Watts, also most parts use much less Watts than what people think: GTX750 uses 50W~70W, i3 uses 55W~65W, rest of the pc may use 80W. And you see you only use about 220W.

Yes, that Cooler master PSU is fine. But the Corsair 450 would last you as long as the cooler master, you will have to upgrade them at the same time. ¿Corsair 550?, you would only need it if you know you would have to buy for example a new pc this year or next. However I suspect you want a pc that last about 3 years before thinking about upgrading, for that take Corsair 450 and you will be fine.
 
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Wow man you help me SO SO much,your right,Corsair 450 would do it,So i guess this built would do it then,well my adrenaline is pumping now since this is my very first time building anything that has to do with electronic stuff,Yes iv watch some youtube videos on how to assemble everything it seems easy,all you have to do is attach the component together just like Lego.This leave me a few questions left

1.what should i do if the Pc doesn't start?(this will be a total heartbreak for me)
2.Window 7 or 8(this is quite hard,since W8 crash quite some time,but it runs real fast)
3.What Monitor should i have to be compatible?
4.What casing should i buy to fit all the component in?



 
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1. It's very probale that it will not start first time, most likely you will forget one of the Power Supply conections, making the computer not have power and don't start. Also you could connect badly the power button.
2. You can chooser freely, of course Win7 is easier to use if you are not used to 8.
3. Any monitor will do fine, if you are going to do digital drawings I would not go below 900p, 1080p is the most used one.
4. Any ATX size case will do.

Remmember Two ram-sticks will do better.
 
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Fine,this is great thank you very much Rubn,you help me alot!but one more if they dont supply component wires,then do i need to buy it myself,is so how much,size,pin?

 
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