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July 31, 2014 9:49:10 PM

Hello,

I was asked yesterday by a friend of the family to build a computer for them, they wanted it to be fairly cheap, under 500$ if at all possible, that is excluding OS costs.

I have been looking around and this is what I have: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/MWzqP6

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was just wondering if I could do better in some ways without increasing the price much. Also am I creating a bottleneck anywhere?

Thank you for the help!

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July 31, 2014 9:56:21 PM

I would personally go much cheaper on the motherboard and get rid of the SSD to save money. Also that PSU is way more than needed, I suppose you were planning for future upgrades. However I would go for a $40-$50 PSU that is around 600 watts, as well as the motherboard to one that is around $50-$60 that is single GPU support. And put some extra money into a better CPU and GPU. I don't really see a bottleneck in the system at least, but it is pretty low end. Is this for gaming or what?
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July 31, 2014 10:01:08 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.89 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Other: PowerColor AX6970 2GBD5-2DHE Radeon HD 6970 2GB ($99.99)
Total: $499.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 01:00 EDT-0400
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July 31, 2014 10:10:30 PM

Personally, I'd replace the CPU and video card with an i3 series processor at least. A HD 5450 is about equivalent to intel's HD 3000 integrated. It will also give you a better upgrade path down the road. I completely agree that the SSD is completely unncessary as it will really only impact boot times and the money can be put towards something else. I noticed that the PSU is not listed, so I assume some parts have been changed so I won't comment about the the motherboard. With the PSU though, Corsair does make a fine units for relatively cheap so a CX600 or CX600M would be recommended at 600 watts. Avoid Diablotek and CoolMax PSUs like the plague.
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July 31, 2014 10:11:15 PM

NBSN said:
I would personally go much cheaper on the motherboard and get rid of the SSD to save money. Also that PSU is way more than needed, I suppose you were planning for future upgrades. However I would go for a $40-$50 PSU that is around 600 watts, as well as the motherboard to one that is around $50-$60 that is single GPU support. And put some extra money into a better CPU and GPU. I don't really see a bottleneck in the system at least, but it is pretty low end. Is this for gaming or what?


Well as far as I know, all they are really going to be using it for is to keep track of business sales, editing their web site and browsing the web, I don't think they game and I don't think they even watch videos on the computer. I was thinking about ditching the ssd but I thought it would be nice to put the OS on it and have quicker start up times.

As for the PSU, I have always chosen something that is way overboard and never going to be needed so choosing something a little less overkill would probably be best for this build.

As for a cheaper board, I looked around and saw the MSI B85M-P33. It seems to be good and it is able to handle 32GB of RAM which I think is something that is a must even though I am not putting it into it now.

Thanks for your advice, it helped a bunch!
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July 31, 2014 10:14:39 PM

Oh! No! I chose best answer by accident instead of reply! Gah! I have done that so many times now! I wish it warned you before it was set forever.

Does any one know if there is a way to undo it? I would like to keep this as unanswered for a longer time than 20 mins.
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July 31, 2014 10:14:54 PM

Oshimoto said:
NBSN said:
I would personally go much cheaper on the motherboard and get rid of the SSD to save money. Also that PSU is way more than needed, I suppose you were planning for future upgrades. However I would go for a $40-$50 PSU that is around 600 watts, as well as the motherboard to one that is around $50-$60 that is single GPU support. And put some extra money into a better CPU and GPU. I don't really see a bottleneck in the system at least, but it is pretty low end. Is this for gaming or what?


Well as far as I know, all they are really going to be using it for is to keep track of business sales, editing their web site and browsing the web, I don't think they game and I don't think they even watch videos on the computer. I was thinking about ditching the ssd but I thought it would be nice to put the OS on it and have quicker start up times.

As for the PSU, I have always chosen something that is way overboard and never going to be needed so choosing something a little less overkill would probably be best for this build.

As for a cheaper board, I looked around and saw the MSI B85M-P33. It seems to be good and it is able to handle 32GB of RAM which I think is something that is a must even though I am not putting it into it now.

Thanks for your advice, it helped a bunch!


Since they aren't doing anything processor/gaming orientated, disregard my build post :p  Will they be watching movies or anything on it?
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July 31, 2014 10:17:45 PM

modernwar99 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M LX PLUS Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.89 @ Amazon)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ TigerDirect)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Other: PowerColor AX6970 2GBD5-2DHE Radeon HD 6970 2GB ($99.99)
Total: $499.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 01:00 EDT-0400


Wow, this build is as close to $500 as you can get, thanks and I'll keep it in mind, although the Pentium G3258 is about on par with the 6300, as far as I can tell, and the G3258 is cheaper and newer but I will still keep this build in mind.
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July 31, 2014 10:24:11 PM

Vlad Rose said:
Personally, I'd replace the CPU and video card with an i3 series processor at least. A HD 5450 is about equivalent to intel's HD 3000 integrated. It will also give you a better upgrade path down the road. I completely agree that the SSD is completely unncessary as it will really only impact boot times and the money can be put towards something else. I noticed that the PSU is not listed, so I assume some parts have been changed so I won't comment about the the motherboard. With the PSU though, Corsair does make a fine units for relatively cheap so a CX600 or CX600M would be recommended at 600 watts. Avoid Diablotek and CoolMax PSUs like the plague.


Ah, I didn't realize that the HD 5450 is equivalent to intel's integrated graphics, in that case it probably would be smarter just to go with an i3 and ditch the GPU for now. Idk about the SSD, I mean I think they would like the faster boot up times but it is an extra cost that could easily be avoided.

The PSU is the Newegg link in my post. I have to agree though, Corsair does make fine units, I have the AX 860i currently powering my setup and I love it. My first build has a CoolMax in it.... it was really pretty bad.
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July 31, 2014 10:28:28 PM

modernwar99 said:
Oshimoto said:
NBSN said:
I would personally go much cheaper on the motherboard and get rid of the SSD to save money. Also that PSU is way more than needed, I suppose you were planning for future upgrades. However I would go for a $40-$50 PSU that is around 600 watts, as well as the motherboard to one that is around $50-$60 that is single GPU support. And put some extra money into a better CPU and GPU. I don't really see a bottleneck in the system at least, but it is pretty low end. Is this for gaming or what?


Well as far as I know, all they are really going to be using it for is to keep track of business sales, editing their web site and browsing the web, I don't think they game and I don't think they even watch videos on the computer. I was thinking about ditching the ssd but I thought it would be nice to put the OS on it and have quicker start up times.

As for the PSU, I have always chosen something that is way overboard and never going to be needed so choosing something a little less overkill would probably be best for this build.

As for a cheaper board, I looked around and saw the MSI B85M-P33. It seems to be good and it is able to handle 32GB of RAM which I think is something that is a must even though I am not putting it into it now.

Thanks for your advice, it helped a bunch!


Since they aren't doing anything processor/gaming orientated, disregard my build post :p  Will they be watching movies or anything on it?


As far as I know, no, they won't be using it for much more than Microsoft Office, whatever they use to edit their website and having multiple tabs open in their browser ( but that would be more on the RAM side of things if I am not mistaken. that is why I put in that 8GB stick.)
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July 31, 2014 10:48:45 PM

Removed the GPU and CPU and replaced it with a dual core AMD APU which has integrated graphics that perform pretty well for being on a $60 CPU. Might want to spend a little extra on ram because the APU greatly benefits from faster MHz ram. Also I left the SSD in there, but it's a Samsung 840 EVO which are EXTREMELY fast (boots in under 10 seconds) 500mb/s read and 400mb/s write. Windows, MS office, and other key programs will fit on the 120gb drive. It's really the only thing that will increase the speed/performance for what they're doing. Left the HDD on incase they need more room for documents. It all is under $400 which is better quality than anything you can get for $400 at Bestbuy :) . BTW do they need WiFi? Or will ethernet work?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A6-5400K 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($62.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($80.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $423.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 01:37 EDT-0400
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July 31, 2014 11:09:07 PM

modernwar99 said:
Removed the GPU and CPU and replaced it with a dual core AMD APU which has integrated graphics that perform pretty well for being on a $60 CPU. Might want to spend a little extra on ram because the APU greatly benefits from faster MHz ram. Also I left the SSD in there, but it's a Samsung 840 EVO which are EXTREMELY fast (boots in under 10 seconds) 500mb/s read and 400mb/s write. Windows, MS office, and other key programs will fit on the 120gb drive. It's really the only thing that will increase the speed/performance for what they're doing. Left the HDD on incase they need more room for documents. It all is under $400 which is better quality than anything you can get for $400 at Bestbuy :) . BTW do they need WiFi? Or will ethernet work?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A6-5400K 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($62.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY Optima 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($80.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $398.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 01:37 EDT-0400


Oh, wow, thanks a bunch. I was thinking about one of the A series CPU's but I have never worked with them before and am fairly clueless as to if they are worth the money or not. They currently have a pre-built computer running a A4 4320 and seem satisfied with it but they want another computer for business and want to try to upgrade parts.

Do you think some RAM running at 1600 Mhz would make it run better than 1333?

I currently have the 840 EVO and love it, it's the reason I want to give them a SSD, it's just so much faster! unfortunately its a tad bit expensive for this build ( the 840 Evo that is). If including a different SSD at different speeds is going to make it so they aren't even going to notice the difference I should probably just not get one. What about a hybrid? Would you happen to know if they have a noticeable difference in speed? Maybe something like the Seagate ST1000DX001.

You definitely get a better quality build by building yourself, I mean, I was talking about their current PC earlier, it's an HP Pavilion with a AMD A4 4320, 4 GB of ram, 400 watt PSU and a really bad case. the only plus in that PC is th 1 tb HDD but you can get one of those cheap now lol, and it cost them somewhere between $450 to $500.

Ethernet will work, I think that is all they are expecting. I don't think they know that there are wifi boards outside of laptops and I didn't think to bring it up.

Thanks for all of your help :) 
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July 31, 2014 11:34:05 PM

Updated a bit, added a better CPU to make it feel more like an upgrade. Upgraded memory to 1866MHz, you might have to set them to run at 1866MHz in the BIOS because they usually default to 1333MHz. Swapped the Samsung EVO with a SanDisk SSD (300 mb/s read 200 mb/s write). Swapped out the old case because it was big, and overall unnecessary for such a small build. And overall it's only $5 more expensive without sacrificing quality. Under $400 with rebates, but I usually never get them back...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($62.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MG100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $428.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 02:27 EDT-0400
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July 31, 2014 11:45:24 PM

modernwar99 said:
Updated a bit, added a better CPU to make it feel more like an upgrade. Upgraded memory to 1866MHz, you might have to set them to run at 1866MHz in the BIOS because they usually default to 1333MHz. Swapped the Samsung EVO with a SanDisk SSD (300 mb/s read 200 mb/s write). Swapped out the old case because it was big, and overall unnecessary for such a small build. And overall it's only $5 more expensive without sacrificing quality. Under $400 with rebates, but I usually never get them back...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD A8-6600K 3.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($62.78 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($72.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Case: Cougar MG100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $428.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 02:27 EDT-0400


This looks like a great budget build. I'll run it past them in the morning and see what they think. Thanks so much for the help and I wish I could give some credit to you but I accidentally hit best answer when trying to reply. I actually have had 100% success with rebates but I know a lot of people that don't get them back as well, so we'll see.

Thanks again for the help! I would have probably ended up not getting the best bang for my buck without it.
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