Totally lost building a Gaming PC with a range of $1000-1200 USD

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Hello everyone- I have never built a pc before and most things I do not really understand. I figure if I want a good gaming pc though, it would be a lot cheaper / more efficient to buy the individual pieces and put it together myself. I need help finding those individual pieces.

I am looking for a good gaming computer. I don't play game all that often, but when I do I want to have good graphics and no fps lag- so I can maximize my enjoyment level. I currently have a pc that plays most games on low settings, and I am fed up with settling. I want to be able to play games like d3, poe, skyrim etc, with no lag and preferably higher end settings. I am not sure if this is a reality or just fantasy for my price tag though.

My price range is $1000-1200 dollars preferably lower rather than higher. Although if the $200 really makes a huge difference I can afford it.

I have read some other forum threads and would like to point out a few things of concern / help for you in answering my request.

1) A solid state drive is highly desirable, I like the prospect of having faster start up of my computer and loading times for games.
2) I do not plan / do not care about overclocking.
3) Already have monitor, keyboard and mouse.
4) Confused about the differences / benefits of Nvida vs Radeon. I heard that Radeon graphic cards can overheat?
5) Also confused about windows 8.0 / 8.1 vs windows 7?


Everything helps, and is appreciated - Thanks in advance everyone. Here is the starting point for my pc I found on the forums. Maybe we could reduce the prices / change anything to make it more optimized.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jqqLwP
 
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Extreme II 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($73.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($21.74 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1179.49
 

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Looking at what you have, I can tell you a couple things.

First off, since you don't plan on overclocking, you probably don't need an aftermarket cooler for the CPU, so that's an item you can drop. CPUs come with stock coolers which are usually fine for keeping the processor cool at normal operating frequencies.

For the solid state drive, I would avoid Kingston and recommend Intel, Samsung, PNY, or SanDisk, as Kingston has a bit of a reputation for using lower quality memory or changing the memory used in a model without notice. Samsung and Intel are generally recommended here in my experience.

For the graphics, again, you shouldn't have any issues with heat in a stock set-up. The 280x is pretty solidly recommended as a good mid-range GPU and one of the better value to power options available.

With Windows, Window 8.1 is the most current version, a lot of people are not fond of the changes made to the operating system to unify the presentation across multiple categories of devices, and you can still get copies of Windows 7 fairly reliably if you don't want to deal with having to learn Windows 8/8.1. Choose whatever appeals to you, after all, 9 is supposedly coming out in the next year or so.
 

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The build you have there is very nice and will play those games at high settings with no issue at all. The 280X with an i5 will deal with anything they can throw at it without breaking too much of a sweat. Bear in mind that the SSD is not too big, so once you install Windows and some games, you might struggle for space.

If you remove the 'K' edition processor, since you're not bothered about OC, and thus get a bit of a cheaper motherboard (pcpartpicker will only let you choose compatible boards, so you can look around), you can most likely afford a slightly larger SSD or such.

In terms of the Nvidia vs Radeon debate - the reference cards, ie those provided by AMD specifically, can have cooling issues. However, any modified or repackaged by a third party, like the Asus one in your link, will have this problem rectified. If you have a quick look around, you'll notice some companies are better at this than others, and in general Asus are considered one of the best. You should see no issue with heat there, provided the card has adequate room to breath, which in that build it will.

So overall, maybe look at some non 'K' i5 chips and their respective motherboards and you will be able to save some money. Put that towards a bigger SSD or, if you save enough, even a 290 or 780. Either way you will be playing those games on maximum settings no problem at all.
 

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Here's an adjustment of your build to meet your criteria.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($86.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 290 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($98.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1199.46
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 04:57 EDT-0400

If your don't want to overclock you can get rid of the "K" processor. The 4690 I replaced it with has the exact same stock speed it's just not overclockable. If you don't want to overclock you can also replace your "z" motherboard with a "h" one if you also have no plans to go SLI or crossfire in the future. If you're not overclocking the stock intel cooler will be fine so I got rid of the Hyper Evo 212.

The SSD you chose is reknowned for poor speeds due to the manufacturer quietly switching to cheaper, slower nand chips so I replaced it with a better one that's twice the size from the above savings.

The reference R9 290 and 290X's had a very bad cooler on them which meant they slowed themselves down because they were getting too hot. The non-reference models like the Gigabyte Windforce, Sapphire Toxic and Tri-X and MSI twin frozr do not suffer from this problem, especially as I assume you won't be overclocking them. Some people prefer the NVIDIA cards, they are more expensive than the Radeons but do have native support for Physx so if you like to enable Physx they are worth considering. They also tend to run cooler and quieter.

There are cheaper H97 motherboards including a few MSI ones like the Z97 in your original build. Feel free to swap them out, I just like the Gigabyte ones, I find them to be generally well made and reliable like Asus which is a sentiment I cannot extend to MSI based on my experience of their boards.

The EVGA power supply you chose is the G1 model. It had some issues which were resolved in the G2 model. The power supply I suggested is plenty for your needs and is extremely well made.


 
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Utauni

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Thank you everyone for such timely and amazing suggestions - I really really appreciate it all. Only a few things now are left in the air.

1) Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.98 @ OutletPC) vs SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($98.98 @ SuperBiiz) - What is the difference / benefit of the gold-> Saving $15 dollars could be helpful.
2) How does the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card compare with the MSI Radeon R9 290 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card. Noting the large price difference, is the difference in gaming felt noticeably or only a slight loss of fps?
3) Do some video cards come pre-overclocked? Would that mean I would need a different motherboard/CPU to handle overclocked video cards?
4) If i leave my computer on / play it for long periods of time like 16-20 hrs would I need a cooler for the pc?

Thanks again :)
 

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1. Both are great power supplies, go with the Antec, as it is cheaper, and you won't be saving much with a gold PSU with the PC's power consumption. (The Seasonic is better, but the Antec is an excellent unit.)
2. The r9 290 performs better, and can be much better if you want to play at higher resolutions, if not then the gtx 770 should be enough. I would still go with an r9 290 though.
3. Some cards do come overclocked, but you don't need anything special to run them.
4. You don't need one, no. But you could get a cheap cooler, if you want it to run quieter and cooler.

I would suggest this build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($403.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1141.96
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 15:06 EDT-0400
 

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The suggested builds above are great, however to get them at the prices listed above you'll need to apply for mail-in rebates; hence you'll be paying more than what's being displayed. I've put together a build with mail-in rebates disabled/ignored, hence you'll be paying what's displayed and not more.

The build I've curated does not include a semi-modular PSU, all the connectors are attached to the PSU and cannot be detached; that shouldn't be much of a problem due to the case I've selected having a lot of room, especially with a microATX motherboard. Regardless if you still desire a semi-modular PSU, I'd go with the "Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply" as suggested before.

I've also selected a R9 290 rather than a GTX 780 or 770. The performance difference from a GTX 770 is somewhat significant, however you may actually be satisfied with the GTX 770; according to GPU Boss, the R9 290 achieved 91.5 FPS on BioShock infinite, compared to 83.4 FPS with the GTX 770. You're free to drop down to a GTX 770 if you desire to save costs; it should still handle most of your games you through at it closer to high/ultra. You can see which GPU is better in terms of performance by looking at Tom's Hardware GPU Performance Hierarchy Chart. You can see the R9 290 is superior over the GTX 770, but only by one tier.

To answer your question, yes certain cards do come factory overclocked. You don't need anything special to run them, they're already designed to run faster and cooler. With that said, you should be fine with keeping your computer on for those amount of time periods, provided your room's ambient temperatures are not too high to begin with. The case I've selected includes one intake and one exhaust fan; you're free to purchase and add more.

Without further ado, the build I have curated:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($247.94 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($389.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($71.30 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($92.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1193.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 15:52 EDT-0400

Again as mentioned, my build above does not have mail-in rebates enabled hence you should be paying what you see above and not more. Also you're free to upgrade the PSU to a semi-modular one, namely the Antec suggested before. The processor I've selected is the Intel Xeon E3-1231v3, which does not have integrated graphics hence requires any dedicated GPU to boot which I have selected, the R9 290. The processor will provide similar performance to the i7-4770, but at a more affordable price: the Xeon and the i7 are both quad-core with Hyper Threading (4 cores / 8 threads); which is a performance boost over any i5 as long as the game/software you're running utilises Hyper Threading (HT).

I have also included a 256GB SSD rather than 120GB or lower; the MX100 is also an improvement over Crucial's M500 and provides similar performance to a Samsung 840 EVO, whilst saving a few bucks. The operating system I've selected is Windows 7; if you've never used Windows 8, then there is a learning curve with the new OS and you may despise it upon the first use, and then the consequent weeks/months until you become accustomed to it (personally I'm still not fond of Windows 8).

With all the said, all the best. :)
 

Ytyoussef

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Good build you have there, but mind you my build isn't too much more expensive without mail-in rebates:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.92 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($413.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($105.51 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1192.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 16:04 EDT-0400
The OP won't benefit from hyperthreading in games, as there are only a very few that do use that feature. I can only think of Crysis 3 atm, and it doesn't give it a real performance boost. But it is still a good option anyway, for all the other applications that do use hyperthreading.
 

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Okay guys - Wow so many options now, gotta be honest I am getting a little overwhelmed. I am trying to do my own research, I have been reading way too many in the past 12 hours. So this is what I have got, a collage of so many different posts. The case, OS, Optic Drive seem like they can be anything so I won’t mind those much atm.

I think I am going to go for a radeon r9 290x video card, but there are a lot of different brands that make this, which is the best? I heard Sapphire r9 290x is the better of the rest- any different opinions? Or does it not matter and just look for the lowest priced r9 290x?

Also Do I need a 750w power supply for that big of a video card?

Memory: A little lost on whether or not I should get a DDR3-1600, 1866 or the 2400-> Is there a major difference, I can’t seem to find much information directly about this.

Much appreciation guys, I am getting close to having my dream pc.


http://pcpartpicker.com/p/62Bwyc
 

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The TRI-X is one of the best, go with that. And you mean the r9 290, the 290X is more expensive. You would be fine with a 650W power supply, but I would personally get a 750W psu, specifically the supernova g2 750w, a cheaper, but very good option would be the antec HCG M 620. As for the RAM, no it doesn't change much at all, just get CL9 1600Mhz at the minimum.
 

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To be honest gaming wise, there is minor difference between the R9 290 vs R9 290x. If the R9 290 is cheaper by an acceptable amount, I'd go for the R9 290, otherwise if they're around the same price I suppose the R9 290x won't hurt. You'll get similar performance between the R9 290 and the R9 290x, although you may get up to 5 frames more at maximum if you're lucky with the R9 290x, depending on the game.

There are indeed many manufacturers producing the R9 290/290x, and to be honest they're all almost the same. Sapphire is a decent brand, amongst (but not limited to) PowerColor, Zotac, XFX and HIS. The most significant differences are with the top-sellers, Asus, MSI and Gigabyte. All three have developed their own method of cooling the GPU, in order to keep temperatures low and hopefully better performance. Asus have their DirectCU II, MSI have their TWIN FROZR, and Gigabyte have Windforce 2x/3x. Asus, MSI and Gigabyte provide similar temperatures with their respective cooling method, although MSI has been rated to be quieter. Certain manufacturers may also factory overclock the GPU a little to provide better performance.

It's your choice with the GPU, you can pay more or less but they're all a R9 290/290x at the end.


A 600W PSU is recommended at minimum with the R9 290x, where the manufacturer XFX recommends 750W at minimum. You should be fine with the 600W PSU, XFX do over-exaggerate the specifications often.


We've all recommended H97 motherboards; which is on socket 1150 and supports Haswell, Haswell Refresh, Devil's Canyon and the upcoming Broadwell generation. The H97 chipset is not designed for overclocking the RAM or the CPU. With that said, the motherboard will only recognise up to 1600MHz and will not support anything above. If you're lucky the 1866 maybe accepted but downclocked to 1600, but I wouldn't risk it.

In regards to performance, 1866MHz or above should provide you no performance gain in gaming compared to 1600MHz. This isn't much of an issue to be honest and you won't notice any difference between 1600MHz or higher.

All the best. :)
 

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Such amazing help from everyone. Truly, thank you all very much. I am so close to having a beast for a pc. I was talking to a friend who has a gtx 770 and we play all the same type of games and he says he plays with max settings and has no fps issues at all. So i think I might save $100 dollars and get the Nvidia gtx770. Would this be compatible with the current rig?

EVGA SuperClocked w/ ACX Cooling 02G-P4-2774-KR GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card

Final setup w/o the video card included- http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Lg7zhM
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston XMP Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Orange ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($83.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($22.16 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1106.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-01 23:25 EDT-0400
 


It may be able to play ultra now but what about the future? It's better to invest in a graphics card that can last longer
 

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The card I listed in my build is more expensive and more powerful than the gtx 770. ^^