Wifi repeater keeps disconnecting please help

misterno · Aug 1, 2014

I bought this amped brand wireless repeater

http://www.amazon.com/Amped-Wireless-Wireless-N-Repeater-SR10000/dp/B005UBNGY6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1406922935&sr=8-2&keywords=amped+wireless+extender

But it keeps dropping so I called CSR and they said it is because the device will only work if the connection is at or above %70. So I checked my connection level and it sometimes goes below %70

I am getting this signal from my neighbor who agreed to split the cost but I can not configure her router she is an old lady she does not want people to come into her house

So on my end, what can I do?

boosted1g · Aug 1, 2014

Not much to do to make a crappy product perform less crappy. Repeaters are just not good devices.

If you want to do this with a large amount of reliability you need to get something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-LOCOM2-US-NanoStation-loco-M2/dp/B004EGI3CI
It is a wirless bridge and will receive her wifi with more power and better quaility then any repeater you can buy at your local brick-and-mortar store. You would then hook up a wireless router to the ethernet port of the nanostation and you would have a decent performing setup.

By using 2 devices it will have much better performance becasue a repeaters like yours has to split its bandwidth in half to both communicate with her router and your devices, thus your connction would always be noticably slower then if you were at her house.

misterno · Aug 1, 2014

Thanks
So can you recommend me a wireless router also?

Also what is the reason this device will not keep disconnecting but amped wireless is? Are technologies different? What makes it superior?

boosted1g · Aug 1, 2014

What kind of square footage are we talking about for your home, obviously you are using wireless only right now. Any capabilties for future you want?

Do you game, netflix, have multiple devices, or just casual internet surfer?

misterno · Aug 1, 2014

Thanks for the answer

I have 2 floors total 2800 sqft

I am 300 feet away from the wifi source and there is no password on the wifi. I need this for casual internet surfing.

One more question; do I need to configure anything on the source router?

Also I currently have the below device

http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-AWUS051NH-802-11a-Wireless-9dBi/dp/B002BFO490

But as far as I know it can only work with a pc connection not independent. My question is can this device be connected to a router and do the same thing as you described?

boosted1g · Aug 1, 2014

No you will not need to configure anything on the source router.
With this methd you can secure your part of the wifi.

2800 ft on 2 floors is a lot to cover, you will want something with high power.
I would look at buaffalo HP routers then, they have a built in 200mw amplifier in it and come out of the box with dd-wrt. Outside of that would have to start looking at more commercial equipment in the mid $100 price range but will output 600-800mw.

Your neighbors wifi will be on one wifi channel, you will want to set your wifi router to be on a differetn channel. The default non-overlaping channels are 1,6,11; unfortunalty any other channel overlaps and is not advised. Whichever one your neighbors wifi is using dont use that one, pick the least congested one out of two. You can get a wifi analyzer apps for android and ios to see all wifi networks and their wifi channel.

boosted1g · Aug 1, 2014

No it cant be connected to a router how my setup is.
It is just a higher powered usb dongle. It works better then usb dongles, but comes far short from that nanostation.

misterno · Aug 2, 2014

Thanks

The router you recommended comes with DD-WRT

Is this an advantage? Would I need DD-WRT?

boosted1g · Aug 2, 2014

DD-WRT is an aftermarket firmware, some routers like buffalo and asus branded ones come with it out of the box. ,Many other models of routers can be flashed to it but quite a few can not, and for the ones that can be flashed to it, you have to jump through hoops and hack it to get the firmware on there.

DD-WRT gives you more control and features over stock firmware, and because it is a good baseline there is tons of forum support for it. When you get DD-WRT youd know what you are going to get, while OEM firmwares are very random from one model to the next, often they strip away a desired feature with the new model.

With DD-WRT you can easily reconfigure the router to act as a access point, a wireless bridge or even a repeater with other dd-wrt devices. You also get better QoS (Quality of Service) tools to prioritize the internet to different programs or computers, you can assign devices to always have the same IP address, and many many more tools. Most routers have some of these tools, but usually not all of them or they are not intuitive.

If you just need to connect and browse the web then dd-wrt is not a necessity by any means but at least you know it is available; one of those better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it sort of things

misterno · Aug 3, 2014

it sounds like router will receive the signal from this device but with a wire

If I plug in the router by itself without this device just by itself, would it receive signals?

Say a laptop can collect wireless signal from this router which receives the signal from the neighbor and redistributes it without this ubiquiti?

boosted1g · Aug 4, 2014

If you are asking if you could plug a wire from your neighbors house to the router then yes that would work just fine.

If that is not what you are saying then read bellow:
The ubiquiti uses a high gain directional antenna. The reason why your repeater cant hold onto the signal is because normal omin-directional (360 degree) pole antennas do not have the range to make it great distances, especially if there is dense objects in the way. The router would have the same problems because it has lower power and is using 360 degree antennas. Without going into great detail, antennas have a trade off between beamwidth (how many degrees of a circle it covers, so 1-360) and distance; the smaller the beamwidth, the greater range it has. Yagi antennas which have a 2-5 degree beamwidth can go for miles if you have one and each end and good line of sight.

By using the router without the ubiquiti you have what you already have, a wireless repeater. Now if you could run a ethernet from neighbors house to yours then that is a different story all together (obviously this is not doable)

The other thing the ubiquiti antenna gives you is you now have two radios. You have the ubiquiti radio that can handle the your house -> neighbors house (referred to as backhaul) traffic and the other radio is your router -> devices. This is miles better then just a repeater because you dont have to split your bandwidth in half which will cause a very noticeable slow down in internet speed.

misterno · Aug 4, 2014

I see

So just using the router for redistributing wifi would not be efficient and strong. I ordered ubiquiti anyways and I have 2 routers on hand I will try each to see which one gives me the best result. One netgear one linksys. The source is linksys so I guess it is better to go with linksys (Cisco)

One more question

Can I buy one more ubiquiti antenna to redistribute the wifi signal further? Is this technically possible?

boosted1g · Aug 4, 2014

It is irrelevant using a linksys and linksys vs linksys and netgear together, it wont make the connection any stronger just because they are the same brand. Use whichever router is more powerfull in signal stregnth and/or system performance.

Yeah that is very possible to add another antenna. You would connect a cable from your router to the second ubiquiti and point it where you want.
Just remember you have only 3 non-overlapting wireless channels, 1,6, and 11. So if neighbor is on 11, and you are on 6; then if the other antenna is pointed in the opposite direction of the neighbor then you could reuse channel 11, otherwise you would have to use channel 1.

misterno · Aug 4, 2014

boosted1g :

Why do I need a cable between them? Can't this be done wirelessly? I mean between 2 ubiquitis?

Beachnative · Aug 4, 2014

First things first, by using a repeater the total wireless throughput is cut in half, data has to be received then transmitted to your devices. Also during this process there is interference slowing down everyone using it. WDS is not recommended unless it is your last plan.

Don't expect to play Play Station or Xbox on it as it will lag so bad I'm sure you will be throwing things at your TV. If you do try it get a cheap TV first, crappy performance can bring out the worst in a decent man.

If cannot afford a connection yourself you would need a few things:
1) Access to this woman router
2) A PicoStation 2 ( 1000mW)
3) A directional antenna that can be found at www.ubnt.com

Get to her router and connect your Picostation2 to her router and point the directional antenna at your house.
This PicoStattion 2 can bee see for a mile in an area with a lot of intereference, you will probably have to turn the power down. Turn off Air Max and turn the channel width to 20MHz. This will kick butt! I've set up a of these and they are the bomb!!!!

boosted1g · Aug 4, 2014

He said that the neighbor does not want anyone in there messing with equipment, and definatly does not want an atnenna mounted anywhere, which is why i proposed my soluiton of having one radio (the ubiquiti) to receive a signal (backhaul) and then the router to communicate to client devices. Since the neighbor also has their wifi unencrypted, blasting the signal accross the entire neighborhood is not a good idea. By using his own router he can put his equipment he at least has the router performaing as a NAT firewall and at least have some security.

As far as bypassing the cable and having the ubiquti communicating wirelessly to each other the answer is no they wont work like that. They are not designed to be repeaters, they can be one end of the chain but not both. If it were possible to set it up like this then it would be a repater and have the bandwidth halfed agian. By the time the data got from your neighbors connection to the final device the latency/thoughtput would be so low it would likley take an entire minute just to go to google.com

boosted1g · Aug 4, 2014

FYI the difference between the picostation and the nanostation is just that the picostation is an omnidirectional (360 degree) antenna and the nanostation is directional.

Beachnative · Aug 5, 2014

boosted1g :

I've ran a WISP and know Motorola Canopy/Cambium products extremely well and our competition used Ubiquiti for everything. In 2012 they bought out the company I worked with and I transitioned all of our customers using their equipment with their team. I know Ubiquiti's product line OK and have know there is a wire array of products to use for a myriad of solutions. I'm presently installing 37 UAP Outdoor + AP's for a business center focusing on small business development.
Repeating is possible but I would never do that the down side is horrible, sluggish performance, interference just lousy throughput!
The PicoStation 2 has worked well for me. I know the difference between it and the Nano Station but the Nano has a fixed beam of 40 degrees. Will 40 degrees work? I have no idea.
I chose the Pico because it's smaller and I have set them up before. Want a small directional antenna for the Pico? And not spend a nickel?RSite Link
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Beachnative · Aug 5, 2014

BTW someone sharing a signal and getting paid then not wanting anyone to "mess" with the equipment sounds fishy....
Sounds as if someone found an unencrypted signal and wants to do something illegal, can't say for sure as I don't have all of the facts only one side of the story..........

Beachnative · Aug 6, 2014

Here is a one stop solutionbill001b posted this in another thread.

misterno · Aug 11, 2014

I received Ubuquiti antenna

I connected a router to this antenna and then another cable is connecting the router to my laptop

This is a linksys E900 router and I do not remember the id and password so I reset it

Then open intternet explorer typed in 192.168.1.1

typed in admin for admin and admin for password and accessed settings

Changed the password and wifi name to whatever I want

I also choosed the channel number different than the one from the original signal

While it was connected I tried to surf the net but it did not work

I unplugged it form the router and checked the wifi signals and saw my wifi signal

Tried to connect but it says can not connect

Can someone help me?

Beachnative · Aug 14, 2014

Your descriptions are vague at best. Let's describe what needs to happen in an ordered operation.
1) You need to be able to receive the signal and pass traffic from the sender to you.
2) You need to have a router for your LAN (home network)
3) You need to transmit your LAN (home network) over your property.
Let's solve these one at a time:
#1 is called bridging a connection, think of you building a bridge to your neighbors house only this is done wirelessly.
The way you have it set up there is no bridge, you need a device to get it to you then redistribute it over your property. I'm a big fan of Ubiquiti only because they are all so versatile. Since you can get a week signal buy the Pico Station M2 set it up in bridge mode then connect it to the WAN side of your router.
#2 You have a router but make sure your LAN is not in the same network as your WAN
#3 Use your cell phone and get a free wifi scanner to see what channel your neighbor is using, if they are using channel 6 then your LAN should be channel 1 or 11

misterno · Aug 14, 2014

My apologies for being vague

Let me try again

Source router is Netgear N150 which is located at my neighbour's house

In my house which is 300 ft away from neighbor's house I have Ubiquiti antenna which receives the signal at my window and connected to my Linksys router E900

This Linksys router has bridge mode

so I want this Linksys router to distribute neighbor's wifi signal inside my house

1) How do I do that?

2) Is bridge mode the correct mode, I need?

Thanks

Beachnative · Aug 15, 2014

No, the E900's term "Bridge Mode" is for bridging the settings from one router connected to the demark to a remote router using a cable and is not the same as a wireless bridge.
Pertaining to the E900 and how Bridge Mode is defined here -"Setting your Linksys Smart Wi-Fi Router to Bridge Mode will disable all its router capabilities and turn it into an access point. The router will cease to act as a DHCP server and its built-in firewall as well as the NAT features will no longer be in effect."

In other words it will not receive a signal and redistribute it wirelessly.

You will need a means of receiving the signal wirelessly then connect it to your WAN port (Internet) on your router.

Wifi repeater keeps disconnecting please help

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