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A cheap improvement on an old Geforce 9500GT please

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August 4, 2014 10:36:19 AM

Thank you very much in anticipation of any answers ... you were all brilliant last time I asked a question and I love this forum for its tolerance and fabulous advice.

As the question asks, what could I viably replace an old Geforce 9500GT card with in my old PC that I gave to my kids? Or even, is there any point for a minimal gain in performance?

Specs on machine.

CPU: - AMD Phenom II X4 920
Motherboard: - ASRock K10N78 PCI-E
RAM: - Corsair 4GB DDR2 (333MHz)

Many thanks

Jason

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August 4, 2014 10:37:38 AM

How much is "cheap"
Lets see the price of your pockets.
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August 4, 2014 10:38:58 AM

wht kind of a budget r u looking at???? wht kind of a PSU do u have????
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August 4, 2014 10:59:36 AM

Sorry!! Thanks for your responses!!

About £60 would be great (~$90)

Can't remember the PSU size but I think it was 500W or 600W, may even have been more. I'll bust it open later to find out exactly but it's doing something atm.
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August 4, 2014 11:02:05 AM

wht r u goin to use the new gpu for ????
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August 4, 2014 11:02:54 AM

Yeesh...90 bucks I dont know any card below 90 bucks.
At least not any card that will give you a "modern" experience.
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August 4, 2014 11:05:43 AM

Not after modern exactly, just something that will play something like Skyrim at a moderate frame rate with medium/high settings?
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August 4, 2014 11:13:11 AM

u can buy a entry level HD gaming GPU the GeForce GT 730 64-bit GDDR5....

or if u hav some extra cash.... u can buy a Radeon HD 7770, Radeon R7 250X....

here is a list of gpu tht u can buy according to ur budget choose a few.... let us knw which one ur thinking of buying & will let u knw if its good or bad....

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#sort=a7
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August 4, 2014 11:16:49 AM

You can find a great low range gaming card for your price, especially since you have a decent wattage power supply.

GeForce GT 730 64-bit GDDR5

ATI Radeon 7750, 250 or 7770/250X

The 7770/250X is pretty much the same card and is at the top of your budget, maybe a few over but is worth it and would match your CPU pretty well with a bit or room left for a CPU upgrade at some point.

Used is fine but make sure you test the card for a bit in a benchmark or game to make sure it's stable.
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August 4, 2014 11:20:00 AM

Brilliant!! Thank you all!! Heman and h-t-9 especially!! You're infinite wisdom on a sixpence never ceases to amaze me!!
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August 4, 2014 11:21:37 AM

U r Welcome....
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August 4, 2014 11:22:26 AM

Try to shell out 50$ more, and get 750 ti, and enjoy all latest games in 1080p, medium-high settings.......... it could server you much longer, and the power consumption is also very low
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August 4, 2014 12:12:51 PM

Will look into that thanks bhuvanesh
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August 4, 2014 12:28:16 PM

The 750Ti is a great card, BUT it's a great card for the price due to the low power use and also the size. If you have a tower or mini tower case that can fit a good card, you can get a R7 260X for less that will be as fast. Hower the 7770 class cards for $20-40 less are good enough for any game at about medium settings, maybe low-medium on the demanding games. Without a CPU upgrade to an FX6300 or higher you can safely stick with a cheaper card on the low teir of gaming cards.

Now if you want to get a card to move to a future system and can go up a bit in price, the 260X / nVidia 750Ti / Radeon 265 are all good cards in the mid class.
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August 6, 2014 12:37:33 AM

Actually, just bust open the case to check the PSU, and it's only 300W. How does this restrict the above suggestions, in particular the 7770 or 7750 and the R7's?

Sorry to re-open the case!!
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August 6, 2014 12:42:43 AM

before we get to y the does it make a diff... does ur psu hav a 6 pin connector for the gpu????
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August 6, 2014 12:47:42 AM

+1 for the fastest 750ti OC card that uses 1 6pin power, remember if you don't have a 6 pin you can always turn two 4 pin molex to 6 pin adapter which works great.
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August 6, 2014 1:00:38 AM

No, there's no 6-pin but there is a single molex available. May be able to salvage a molex from somewhere though to convert.
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August 6, 2014 1:10:41 AM

Also, just been looking at the motherboard specs, and the PCI-e is v2.0 where most of the above cards are v2.1 or even 3.0. Will this matter much?

Looking at the AMD site, the 6000 series are fully compatible with v2.0.
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August 6, 2014 1:19:15 AM

GPU are backward compatible to PCI-e 2.0.... so PCIe 3.0 GPu will on on a PCI-e 2.0....
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August 6, 2014 1:25:22 AM

JUICEhunter said:
+1 for the fastest 750ti OC card that uses 1 6pin power, remember if you don't have a 6 pin you can always turn two 4 pin molex to 6 pin adapter which works great.


The 6pin power versions of the 750 Ti dont perform or OC any better than the non 6 pin versions from reviews I have seen.
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August 6, 2014 1:30:55 AM

Thanks yet again to you two, He-man being one of them again!!

Looking at the 7770,that uses 125W of power. Given that he motherboard uses 140W, that seems to be cutting it fine somewhat especially with an older PSU.

With that in mind, the 7750 being only 75W and powered without the use of 6-pin connector may be my eventual winner?
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August 6, 2014 2:26:10 AM

zakk02001 said:
Thanks yet again to you two, He-man being one of them again!!

Looking at the 7770,that uses 125W of power. Given that he motherboard uses 140W, that seems to be cutting it fine somewhat especially with an older PSU.

With that in mind, the 7750 being only 75W and powered without the use of 6-pin connector may be my eventual winner?


The regular GTX 750 might be better if you can get it for a good price.
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August 6, 2014 3:03:56 AM

RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
Thanks yet again to you two, He-man being one of them again!!

Looking at the 7770,that uses 125W of power. Given that he motherboard uses 140W, that seems to be cutting it fine somewhat especially with an older PSU.

With that in mind, the 7750 being only 75W and powered without the use of 6-pin connector may be my eventual winner?


The regular GTX 750 might be better if you can get it for a good price.


Wow!! That's a much superior card and will take the level of power the PC has!!

I'll have a look at these R7 cards as well to see if there's anything with a similar power usage and performance, but for a lower price.
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August 6, 2014 5:12:19 AM

For a 300 watt PSU, Radeon 7750, nVidia GT730, nVidia 750/750Ti are the cards you want to look at.
5-600 watt vs 300 makes a big difference in what cards you can use, 300 limits you to the lower tier of cards, although that lower tier is pretty fast these days.
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August 6, 2014 8:58:28 AM

You can live without the 6pin for a 750ti Rob is correct. I would still use a molex 4pin to 6pin and plug it in the card as it won't hurt. 750ti is the way to go as the fastest GPU your PSU can handle.
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August 7, 2014 12:44:10 PM

Well, just to let you all know, this is what I ended up doing.

I did go for the 750ti which I got for £82. However, I then thought that the 300W non-branded PSU may struggle and I'd rather be safe than sorry as I've had issues with PSU's before. So I bought an unbranded 500W PSU which has the 6-pin PCI-e plug with it. This was £13.

Next, the 4GB RAM has been upgraded to 1066 DDR2 over the old 333 and I've got a replacement cooler (Arctic Freezer 7) as the current one is so bloody noisy!! These two combined were around £45.

So, in total £140 spent, but this should now mean that I've eeked another couple of years out of the ailing PC!!

Many thanks everyone, yet again you've been brilliant and as non-condescending as always!! I'll let you know how it all goes if you're interested?

I'll do a before and after test on the Performance Test program by Passmark for pure curiosity!!
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August 7, 2014 1:08:35 PM

I was going to suggest a 6970, pretty fast and cheaper than the 750 ti. But looks like you found a good one.
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August 8, 2014 1:32:10 AM

I dont see how a £13 unbranded 500w PSU is more "safe" :lol: 
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August 8, 2014 1:37:31 AM

RobCrezz said:
I dont see how a £13 unbranded 500w PSU is more "safe" :lol: 


I see what you mean, but compared to it's current 300W counterpart, it is relatively safe. OK, it's not the Corsair AX860 that's in my other PC which is the quietest and most reliable PSU I've ever owned, but it leaves more headroom than the 300W, so on that measure is safer surely?

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August 8, 2014 2:02:17 AM

zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
I dont see how a £13 unbranded 500w PSU is more "safe" :lol: 


I see what you mean, but compared to it's current 300W counterpart, it is relatively safe. OK, it's not the Corsair AX860 that's in my other PC which is the quietest and most reliable PSU I've ever owned, but it leaves more headroom than the 300W, so on that measure is safer surely?



Does it though? Does the "£13 special" list its wattage on the 12v rail?

Dont get me wrong, im not turning my nose up against using it on this old system, Im just not sure its more "safe" ;) 
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August 8, 2014 2:28:35 AM

RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
I dont see how a £13 unbranded 500w PSU is more "safe" :lol: 


I see what you mean, but compared to it's current 300W counterpart, it is relatively safe. OK, it's not the Corsair AX860 that's in my other PC which is the quietest and most reliable PSU I've ever owned, but it leaves more headroom than the 300W, so on that measure is safer surely?



Does it though? Does the "£13 special" list its wattage on the 12v rail?

Dont get me wrong, im not turning my nose up against using it on this old system, Im just not sure its more "safe" ;) 


It doesn't list it's power exactly on the 12V rail, but is does say that it is 22A on +12V, which presumably would mean a power of 264W?

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August 8, 2014 2:36:53 AM

zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
I dont see how a £13 unbranded 500w PSU is more "safe" :lol: 


I see what you mean, but compared to it's current 300W counterpart, it is relatively safe. OK, it's not the Corsair AX860 that's in my other PC which is the quietest and most reliable PSU I've ever owned, but it leaves more headroom than the 300W, so on that measure is safer surely?



Does it though? Does the "£13 special" list its wattage on the 12v rail?

Dont get me wrong, im not turning my nose up against using it on this old system, Im just not sure its more "safe" ;) 


It doesn't list it's power exactly on the 12V rail, but is does say that it is 22A on +12V.



Thats 264w on the 12v rail, nice! ;) 

Good luck with it.
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August 8, 2014 2:38:05 AM

Just edited my last post with the power just as you replied!!
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August 8, 2014 2:39:05 AM

zakk02001 said:
Just edited my last post with the power just as you replied!!


Yeah not really a 500w psu after all, more like 265w psu ;) 
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August 8, 2014 2:46:43 AM

RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
Just edited my last post with the power just as you replied!!


Yeah not really a 500w psu after all, more like 265w psu ;) 


I completely understand your argument, you get what you pay for, particularly so with PSU's!!

However, it is better than the old one with 15A on the 12V rail, so 180W. If the new one doesn't hack it, the old one never would have stood a chance!

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August 8, 2014 2:48:10 AM

zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
Just edited my last post with the power just as you replied!!


Yeah not really a 500w psu after all, more like 265w psu ;) 


I completely understand your argument, you get what you pay for, particularly so with PSU's!!

However, it is better than the old one with 15A on the 12V rail, so 180W. If the new one doesn't hack it, the old one never would have stood a chance!



Yeah it certainly sounds better than the old one in terms of specs. I hope it treats you well :) 
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August 8, 2014 2:52:19 AM

Me too!! :) 

Thank you very much for your advice and help Rob. Actually, you've made me a little more confident in the PSU purchase as I was fearing the worst!!
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August 8, 2014 8:51:12 AM

zakk02001 said:
RobCrezz said:
zakk02001 said:
Just edited my last post with the power just as you replied!!


Yeah not really a 500w psu after all, more like 265w psu ;) 


I completely understand your argument, you get what you pay for, particularly so with PSU's!!

However, it is better than the old one with 15A on the 12V rail, so 180W. If the new one doesn't hack it, the old one never would have stood a chance!



Keep in mind you don't just want a PSU with a high max wattage rating. Especially for a cheap one, that is often WAY overstated anyway. What you want is stable, non-fluctuating and reliable power. That power supply could be changing the power it's delivering a lot, which can eventually cause failure in not just the video card but the motherboard as well. It also has a MUCH higher chance of just burning out in months.

Would you spend $100,000 on a sports car only to buy the cheapest gas and oil you can find for it? Sure many cars that say they need 93 octane may run on 89 just fine, but you will be causing power and knocking issues for the engine and likely shorting the engine like with oil that will break down on the high temps a sports car engine can generate.

Would you pick a parachute just based on size or also on quality? Basically by saying that the wattage is more than my old one so it's better, that is what you are saying.

Of course as they say "your mileage may vary" and your new power supply can run happily for years, but we are often talking about the chance of something happening. Like your hard drive may run just fine for 10 years, or it may die in a week, or last 5 years. Chances are it won't die in a week, but does that mean you don't need to worry about backups at all? No, you want to make backups because there is still a chance your main drive can fail no matter how good it is, and you can weight the cost of a backup drive vs what you think your data loss chances are.
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August 9, 2014 11:18:14 AM

OK, remarkably, everything arrived the very next day!! It's all installed and I have before and after test results using Passmark Performance test. The PSU is behaving ... for now!!
;) 

Really, the only thing that has changed markedly is the 3D test which is as to be expected really. The RAM made a difference of 5% on its increase which in hindsight wasn't really worth it for the extra spend. Note to self - 666MHz to 1066MHz makes little notable difference.

However, the 750ti increased the 3D rating from around 300 to 3400!! That is mightily impressive and should give the PC another 2-3 years worth of life!! (Nothing like my personal rig, but it'll more than suffice for the kids!!)

Again, many thanks everyone for your advice and condemnations :na:  Yet again, you've all been amazing!!
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August 10, 2014 12:31:18 PM

Great! The 750 Ti is very impressive for its power consumption!
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August 10, 2014 10:31:09 PM

nice to know you bought a 750ti :D 
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