Several questions from a first time gaming PC builder!

PanzerDan86

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Hello everyone!

I've decided that I'm going to build a gaming PC this winter (November or December 2014) and after doing some research and picking out some parts I wanted to get some input from the more experienced gaming PC builders here on this site. I would like to run Battlefield 4 on high-ultra settings, and play other games like Insurgency, Silent Hunter 4, Hearts of Iron 3 (with the Black Ice Mod) and the upcoming Mount and Blade 2: Bannerlord. I really like the Battlefield games (I've been playing BF3 for the past few years on a laptop..ugh..) and would be playing BF4 in most of my spare time. There is also a slight possibility that I'll be using the PC to edit/upload GoPro footage onto youtube for both my job and for my duck and coyote hunting during the winter.

My idea is to get a computer that will last me for several years to come, and have the possibility to run some future FPS games on at least medium settings. I don't plan on overclocking out of the gate, but would consider it in the future if the newer games require it. I also might consider running dual GPUs in the future as well to increase the longevity of the build.

I tend to be partial towards Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs but I'm open to suggestions if there is a way to spend a little less money and get the same performance as the Intel/Nvidia combo. I would like to keep my build around $2000, but that includes EVERYTHING (monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, speakers, OS). Is $2000 a realistic budget for what I'm trying to accomplish?

So far, this is what I've come up with for a PC build, and I realize it's over my $2000 mark, but I'm hoping prices will come down: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xWDGbv

Do you think that current prices on the components for this build will come down by the winter?
If not, are there any viable alternatives that could save some money and still provide the specifications that I spoke about in my first 2 paragraphs of this post? Where can I downgrade to save some money but not sacrifice performance too much? Also, I've read about the whole i5 vs i7 in regards to hyper-threading and how current games don't utilize what the i7s have to offer...yet. So, am I going overboard on the CPU or is an i7 a good investment for "future-proofing"? Tell me what YOU would do, give me your input!

Any help would be greatly appreciated, and please feel free to tweak my build! I ask that you be as detailed as possible in your reasoning on WHY or WHY NOT to go with certain components!

Sorry for the longwinded post hahaha! I really do appreciate everyone taking the time to read and respond!

Cheers,

PanzerDan86
 

Adamw0611

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I really think you have a solid build, It's going to be really hard to get below that price with Nvidia/Intel, but IMO a good choice, I don't like AMD, I had the 295x2 for a day and returned it for 2 780ti's. Even harder to get lower since you're buying monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, headset, etc.

You could knock a bit off buy going with an Evo 212+ CPU cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=evo_212-_-35-103-099-_-Product

and possibly getting a GTX 770 instead of the 780

As far as i5 vs i7, I had an i5, moved to an i7 and get marginally better FPS in most games, even turning of HT with my i7 I still get better frame-rate with it on, I'm not a CPU expert so I can't tell you why, just I do, also CPU usage with BF4 with Hyper threading on is around 50% without is in the 90's at times.

I don't think prices will come down much by winter time unfortunately, but if you have a Microcenter near you www.microcenter.com they seem to always have CPU's cheaper than most on sale. I just got he 4790k for $279

Also I don't think with a single card you will hit 144FPS in many AAA games on ultra so you could save some dough getting a 120 Hz monitor. All in all you've got everything covered and the suggestions are just nit-picking for price.

 

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Thanks for your response! Yeah, unfortunately I don't have a microcenter nearby. As far as the monitor is concerned, do you have any suggestions for a good 120hz 24" monitor with below 5ms response? When I tried the filters on pcpartpicker that particular monitor that I have in my build was the only thing that came up. I don't think its a very good site for monitor selection. Thanks again!

Also, would the gtx 770 give me the performance needed for BF4 in your opinion?
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston XMP Blu Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($83.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Antec HCG M 850W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($259.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($24.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF140 Quiet Edition 67.8 CFM 140mm Fan ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow Wired Gaming Keyboard ($90.00 @ Mechanical Keyboards)
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder 2013 Wired Optical Mouse ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Headphones: Logitech G930 7.1 Channel Headset ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Speakers: Logitech Z506 155W 5.1ch Speakers ($60.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1905.29
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-04 23:04 EDT-0400

hyper threading is a technology that's been present for well over a decade, & still it's not greatly utilized in gaming. it's much better to just give up on hoping games will benefit largely from HT & get what you can now for a better bang for your buck. performance between i7 vs i5 are mostly similar save the few handful of exceptions, far too few to spend money on. Starcraft II, Crysis 3, Skyrim, ARMA3 are some examples. even then, don't expect a large performance leap.

for a first timer,a Hyper 212 EVO is as good starter choice; great cooling for the right price. i highly doubt you're going to OC high on air.

still no good reason to get 16gb of ram for gaming. if recent trends of increasing native memory speed on new motherboard chipsets are any indication, speed may matter more than size.

feel free to stick with a 780, though with a 1080p monitor, 770 is pretty good for the price. better yet, save a bit more & get a 280X instead. performs on par with the 770 for about $20-30 less with the right deal. or if you're so willing, the 880 is rumoured to come out some time next month.

whether there'll be a large enough discount on christmas to lower your original build down to less than $2000 is something you'll have to wait & see. i'd go assume the worse though.

a little advice on future proofing; it's a fools errand to hope it to be financially viable. people had gone with an expensive extreme nehalem i7's for future proofing purposes in gaming before only to be surprised by the performance of a much cheaper mainstream sandy bridge i5 by next gen. plus, whether you got an i5 or an i7, you're looking at an overhaul in 3-5 years anyway, provided there's a worthwhile reason to upgrade. core 2 quads are still pretty capable gaming CPUs. so you may as well get the best bang for your buck gaming CPU you can afford now & call it a day.
 
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Thanks for the reply! All valid points for me to consider! I agree that going down to 8GB of RAM and going with a 250GB SSD instead of a 500GB would be easy ways to knock off some money. I could always add more RAM in the future...

Also, I've considered the Hyper 212 Evo as a cooler as well, but I read an awesome review of the DH-14 somewhere. But, like I mentioned...I probably wont be overclocking for the foreseeable future so I guess the 212 is the way to go!

I'm still torn between the i5 and i7 as well as gtx770 vs gtx780 though! It's just so easy to fall into the trap of always wanting "the best"! haha! Ugh...I just don't know!
 

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Ok, this is what I'm thinking about now: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jC9qP6

It's closer to $2000 and I don't think it would sacrifice much performance from the original build. What do you think? Also, anybody have any suggestions for a 24" 120hz monitor with less than 5ms response rate? As Adamw0611 mentioned above, the 144hz is a bit overkill for what I'm building.
 

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pcpp isn't giving much info on cheap 120hz monitors, & the ones that are there are well above your budget. so i can't help you there. only way you're cheaping out of the monitor, at least via pcpp is if you go with a 60hz IPS panel instead.

while there is a performance improvement between DDR3 1600 & 2400, it's not a big one, not in some games anyway. feel free to go back to DDR3-1600 if you're looking to save $15-20.

if you're looking to save up on electricity bills in the long term with this PC, that'd be one good point to get that Gold rated PSU. but if you much rather save up on the short term and/or this PC isn't going to run 24/7 for months, there are plenty of quality Bronze rated PSU for less. and before you go get a Corsair CX, consult with this list & don't go beyond a tier 2 ; https://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/f/135081/t/45344.aspx?Redirected=true

said my piece on the CPU & GPU, so about the only other place you can save up big on are the fans, headset & 5.1 sound, by getting a combination of any of those items at a much later date.