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August 5, 2014 7:16:08 AM

hi guys,
am planning to build a gaming machine in India under 1Lac
here's what i have planned. suggestions please.
(apart from gaming i will also be using this for 3Dstudio max, photoshop and after effects sotfwares)

Intel Corei5 3570k
Asrock z87 Extreme 6
G.Skills ripjaws X 16GB RAM
Nvidia GTX 660Ti
Seagate Baracuda 2TB
Corsair RM450/Deepcool DA500
Corsair 300R cabinet
HP Pavillion 27xi/AOC 27"/Asus 27"
Logitech G105 keyboard
Razer Abyssus mouse
Corsair AF140 140mm cabinet cooler
Coolermaster hyper 212 evo CPU cooler
August 5, 2014 7:22:11 AM

Dont go for an Asrock board.. I heard they are bad .. Go for the ASUS they are more reliable, I suggest you go for a r9 280x GPU and definitely get an SSD for your build. For intense video and photo editing i suggest an i5-4690k at least. Get yourself a 650W PSU is you plan on overclocking and it should also provide room for future upgrades
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August 5, 2014 7:22:47 AM

MoBo, CPU, GFX are all "last generation"

A 4790k would be a definite over an i5 given your application usage. The new MSI gaming series seems to have a few "birthing issues", so I'd suggest a more mature platform like the MSI GD65

You definitely want 16GB and an i7 for those apps.

nVidia CUDA is the right choice for Adobe Premier and everything just about AutoDesk but make sure you unlock CUDA .... Geforce cards excel in these workstation applications. In gaming the AMD cards at this level are worth looking at but they fall flat in most workstation applications whereas Geforce cards excel in this area.
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5....

A small (120 GB) won't help you much other than booting 0.9 seconds faster but if budget does not allow for multiple large SSDs, then a Seagate SSHD is the way to go. We switched to SSHDs for our AutoDesk workstations because we saw 0 difference in performnance difference between one we bougght as a test platform and the other boxes with separate SSD and HD.
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August 5, 2014 7:27:41 AM

You should get an i5-4690k, which is the new version of the 3570k (The 4670k was the haswell version, and that's the haswell refresh). Get something like an asrock z97 extreme4, or asus z97-A or Msi z97 gaming 5, depending on the price (take the cheapest as the three are good). Get 8 gb of ram, you don't need 16Gb for gaming. Get a better video card, like an 770 or an r9 280X and spend less on the peripherals, your gaming experience will be better overall. No need to get extra fans for the case, but if you want to, then it won't be a bad thing in any way. Get a good 550W psu, something like an XFX or seasonic, or even the rm550, which is pretty good.

And yes, an i7 would be the better choice for the other applications, but an i5 should work fine, while giving you more performance for gaming, as you will have more money for the GPU.
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August 5, 2014 7:30:56 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
MoBo, CPU, GFX are all "last generation"

You want an i7 for those apps.

nVidia CUDA is the right choice for Adobe Premier and everything just about AutoDesk but make sure you unklock CUDA
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5....


I don't think having 'last gen' is really that huge of a deal, as the improvements in Haswell weren't that earth shattering, except of course for the power usage improvements which are offset by the simple fact he's putting together a full blown desktop machine.

I do agree though that he should step to an i7 if he can, because the hyperthreading would make a big difference in his workloads (not so much in gaming though). Also agree with a SSD boot drive. HUGE difference, and a nice 256Gb Crucial MX100 can be had for about $100 USD.

If he's getting all this at a really good price, I would say it's a pretty solid build otherwise.
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August 5, 2014 7:38:53 AM

Armo1000 said:
Dont go for an Asrock board.. I heard they are bad .. Go for the ASUS they are more reliable, I suggest you go for a r9 280x GPU and definitely get an SSD for your build. For intense video and photo editing i suggest an i5-4690k at least. Get yourself a 650W PSU is you plan on overclocking and it should also provide room for future upgrades


Hey thanks a ton,
will definitely look into the ASUS motherboard and am planning to get a SSD as well

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August 5, 2014 7:48:57 AM

Rookie_MIB said:
JackNaylorPE said:
MoBo, CPU, GFX are all "last generation"

You want an i7 for those apps.

nVidia CUDA is the right choice for Adobe Premier and everything just about AutoDesk but make sure you unklock CUDA
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5....


I don't think having 'last gen' is really that huge of a deal, as the improvements in Haswell weren't that earth shattering, except of course for the power usage improvements which are offset by the simple fact he's putting together a full blown desktop machine.

I do agree though that he should step to an i7 if he can, because the hyperthreading would make a big difference in his workloads (not so much in gaming though). Also agree with a SSD boot drive. HUGE difference, and a nice 256Gb Crucial MX100 can be had for about $100 USD.

If he's getting all this at a really good price, I would say it's a pretty solid build otherwise.


It is from an investment perspective that buying previous generation old stuff is significant. While I would not run out and replace a 3570k I certainly would not pay the same price for something that old as I would for current technology. I wouldn't get rid off an old 2012 vehicle but I certainly wouldn't pay the same amount for a 2012 as I would for a 2014.

SSD's huge difference is in benchmarks only.

Tested on same box:

Boot time on SSD - 15.6 seconds
Boot time on SSHD 16.5 seconds
Boot time off HD - 21.2 seconds

At 0.9 seconds, I don't see the HUGE part.

But if ya wanna talk about huge..... let's get back tot he last generation CPU. How about an 18% performance increase ? And that's a 24/7 increase not just at boot time.

3570k = 3.4 Ghz
4790k = 4.0 Ghz

We bench tested two identical hi end CAD Workstation laptops, one with 128 GB Samsung Pro / 7200 rpm HD and one with Seagate 7200 rpm SSHD. No one on the office has been able to tell which one is which. My desktop has two Samsung 256 Pros and two Seagate 7200 rpm SSHDs.... I can boot off either one, I can play games off either one, I can run workstation apps off either one..... If I use a stopwatch, I can observe a difference but otherwise no.

The only difference I was able to observe was rotating a large 7 GB CAD file..... that was noticeably faster on the SSD. But that was a test file....In everyday use, the largest file we ever created was 10 MB.

When people talk about bottlenecks, they leave out the most important one.... it's not the CPU, not the GFX card, not the storage system. The true bottleneck is BCAK.

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August 5, 2014 7:52:07 AM

Thanks guys. really appreciate your views.

So i am thinking of changing the processor, MoBo and GPU

what do yo u think about this CPU - http://www.amazon.in/Intel-Core-i7-4770-Desktop-Process...

Mobo i can go with - msi z97-gaming 7

GPU - Saphite R9 280X

this is still under my budget, i can adjust in other things
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August 5, 2014 7:55:03 AM

Also, in i7 4770, there are options
LGA 1150, LGA 2011, LGA 1155 (what diff. does it make?)
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August 5, 2014 7:56:43 AM

No....no options.... 4770k is 1150 ONLY

The 4770k is 3.5 Gz (3.9 Turbo)
The 4790k is 4.0 Ghz (4.4 Turbo)

They are the same price.

You have a Z87 CPU and a Z97 MoBo

Use Z87 with 4770k / use Z97 w/ 4790k

Check THG reviews.... The 280x is a decent gaming card, but will fall flat in the applications you listed.

Again..... the Gaming series motherboards have had some issues....I am sure they will be addressed in the next stepping but that is not unusual when a new line comes out. Look at the newegg reviews

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

22% gave it a 1 outta 5

The GD65 is cheaper than the Gaming 7 and is a more mature line.

haven't seen a review of the Z97 one yet but the Z87 versions (which you would buy with a 4770k) has reviews copied below:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_z87_gd65_ga...

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MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Parts such as Super Ferrite Chokes that run at up to 35 degree Celsius lower temperatures, have a 30% higher current handling capacity, and a 20% improvement in power efficiency; Tantalum filled Hi-C Caps that are are up to 93% efficient; and "Dark Capacitors" that feature Lower ESR and a ten-year lifespan all tied into a PCB with improved temperature and humidity protections as part of the "Military Essentials" package......In the end MSI's Z87-GD65 is a board that comes with an expansive feature set that includes all your basics and the extras that set them apart such as the V-Check points, upper end audio, Dual BIOS ROMs, KIller Network package, Military Class IV package, and a three-year warranty. Couple that with good looks that carry the dragon theme through the board, and you have a winning combination at $189.


http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/msi_z8...

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Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it. For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.

The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around. Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.

Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.

MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.




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August 5, 2014 7:58:04 AM

wasworld said:
Also, in i7 4770, there are options
LGA 1150, LGA 2011, LGA 1155 (what diff. does it make?)


it fits only in 1150
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August 5, 2014 7:59:20 AM

cool. so this is a better processor acc. to you guys?
Also is msi the best Mobo for this cpu or Asusz97 is better?
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August 5, 2014 8:02:45 AM

wasworld said:
cool. so this is a better processor acc. to you guys?
Also is msi the best Mobo for this cpu or Asusz97 is better?


The ASUS is always a better option when it comes to mobos
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August 5, 2014 8:10:08 AM

-The Asus Hero and MSI GD-65 are a feature for feature match up and down the line.... the Asus is $40-50 more

-From 1999 thru 2011 I was using strictly Asus boards. Things change. Asus now has a higher return rate than MSI

2011

- MSI 1.5% (as against 2.3%)
- Gigabyte 1,6% (as against 1.6%)
- ASRock 2.1% (as against 2.0%)
- ASUS 2.2% (as against 1.9%)


2012

- ASRock 1.67% (against 1.90%)
- Gigabyte 1.77% (against 2.17%)
- MSI 2.24% (against 2.11%)
- ASUS 2.34% (against 2.66%)

At $225 and up, I still use Asus ..... Below that the Asus boards are simply overpriced compared to the competition's boards, See quoted reviews on the GD65 in post above


Asus Z87 and Z97 boards are currently plagued with the BIOS Clock Freeze Bug. When using various features in the BIOS such as saving a BIOS profile or backing up profiles to a USB, the BIOS clock will freeze wreaking having on Windows Update and screwing up backups as your "new' files are often older than your old files. Other causes of the freeze are overclocking, running stress tests or simply having a system crash. The problem is well documented and a google search will bring up dozens of threads. I have been patiently awaiting a fix since last August. One was announced on June 11th with a reported new BIOS .... but said BIOS has not surfaced yet. BTW, that was for non RoG boards .... I have a RoG Maximus Formula..... been no announcement for RoG boards as yet.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?36676-Frozen-T...

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August 6, 2014 7:01:22 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
Rookie_MIB said:


If he's getting all this at a really good price, I would say it's a pretty solid build otherwise.


It is from an investment perspective that buying previous generation old stuff is significant. While I would not run out and replace a 3570k I certainly would not pay the same price for something that old as I would for current technology. I wouldn't get rid off an old 2012 vehicle but I certainly wouldn't pay the same amount for a 2012 as I would for a 2014.


Agreed 100%, that's why I said 'if he's getting it at a really good price'...

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SSD's huge difference is in benchmarks only.

Tested on same box:

Boot time on SSD - 15.6 seconds
Boot time on SSHD 16.5 seconds
Boot time off HD - 21.2 seconds

At 0.9 seconds, I don't see the HUGE part.

We bench tested two identical hi end CAD Workstation laptops, one with 128 GB Samsung Pro / 7200 rpm HD and one with Seagate 7200 rpm SSHD. No one on the office has been able to tell which one is which. My desktop has two Samsung 256 Pros and two Seagate 7200 rpm SSHDs.... I can boot off either one, I can play games off either one, I can run workstation apps off either one..... If I use a stopwatch, I can observe a difference but otherwise no.

The only difference I was able to observe was rotating a large 7 GB CAD file..... that was noticeably faster on the SSD. But that was a test file....In everyday use, the largest file we ever created was 10 MB.



Considering that he originally just had a standard hard drive picked, my point was that he -should- have some sort of solid state disk setup. The hybrid drives are certainly an option depending on pricing, but using only a standard disk when the prices of SSD's are that affordable (and with fewer moving parts, less susceptible to failure IMHO assuming a quality supplier) just doesn't make sense. And when you have a good SSD, everything feels much snappier. Heck, I have an old Pentium 4 system, running some answering machine software. The difference on everything for that chuggy old beast when I put in a simple, basic SSD was staggering.

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But if ya wanna talk about huge..... let's get back tot he last generation CPU. How about an 18% performance increase ? And that's a 24/7 increase not just at boot time.

3570k = 3.4 Ghz
4790k = 4.0 Ghz


Fair enough. But if careful shopping can get 80% of the performance for 50% of the price, and I would call that a better investment.

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When people talk about bottlenecks, they leave out the most important one.... it's not the CPU, not the GFX card, not the storage system. The true bottleneck is BCAK.

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Hahaha. True enough! Much like most AV programs wouldn't be necessary if we could solve SuS. (Stupid user Syndrome). :) 



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