Changing brand new stock pc into gaming rig?

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-New PC sitting around collecting dust, lags on almost every game ive played on it, minus "Rust" for some reason-

Time of this report: 8/7/2014, 23:58:11
Machine name: Admin
Operating System: Windows 8.1 64-bit (6.3, Build 9600) (9600.winblue_gdr.140330-1035)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model: M11BB
BIOS: 0307
Processor: AMD A10-6700 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (4 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 7368MB RAM

Family wouldnt believe me i could buy parts to build a pc that would be cheaper and work alot better, so the best they would do is buy a 600$ rip off, and here it is, what should i upgrade? If im forgetting any info please tell me, ill try to post it in less than 5 minutes.

I will pay for a GPU under 200(including shipping)
Currently looking at a gtx660 EVGA Nvidia.

and forget about the price of the psu, i am looking at a 600w for around 80, and ill pay it(unless there is a better one for cheaper).(Corsair)


-Old PC, runs every game i throw at it even if it does only get 45fps sometimes lol-

Time of this report: 8/8/2014, 01:01:19
Machine name: Admin
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.140303-2144)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gateway
System Model: FX6831
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 860 @ 2.80GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.8GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8152MB RAM
Page File: 3582MB used, 12717MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

*i included the old pc because its my families pc that has to stay at their house when i move out, and i love it, but would prefer a bit more strength when it comes to graphics, and fps.
 
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We will try to help you, but your post sounds like a young person and that you are not very familiar with computers and computer components. So, when some one like I7baby, with 14 THOUSAND + answers and about 10% selected as correct solutions posts that you might be safer leaving the systems alone, he HAS a point. Might want to pay attention and not get to whiny.
So, here are some of the ways to actually find out what you have in your computers; and posting parts for both would be...

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AMD A10-6700 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics (4 CPUs), ~3.7GHz
thats the graphics card ^
i did include it, and the computer is integrated so its all connected...

How do i find what the mobo is?
would prefer an answer from someone else, not baby.
 


We will try to help you, but your post sounds like a young person and that you are not very familiar with computers and computer components. So, when some one like I7baby, with 14 THOUSAND + answers and about 10% selected as correct solutions posts that you might be safer leaving the systems alone, he HAS a point. Might want to pay attention and not get to whiny.
So, here are some of the ways to actually find out what you have in your computers; and posting parts for both would be appreciated.
Open the side panel of the case and look at the mother board: The make an model will be on it. It is probably an ASUS board. The model and any revision will be printed on the board, probably in white lettering. Write down exactly what it is.
Next: there probably will NOT be a video card in there. (The one you are considering is an excellent card and I saw one on Amazon the other day for $139, a really good price for an EVGA.). IF there is a video card it will be mounted in the first PCI-Express slot: Remove it if necessary to give us the information (model,make) etc. AGAIN, there probably isn't one in there.
Power Supply Unit: Again, probably ASUS, but maybe not. It will have a sticker on the side that tells you the brand/manufacture and the power for the 3.3, 5, and 12 volt rails. If you are lucky it will be plainly visible when you open the case: If it isn't you might have to remove the psu (unmount it) and manipulate it until you can read the lablel. I suspect that ASUS put a good unit in there and you may not have to replace it with the 600watt you were considering. I dug into a friends Alienware last year getting ready to order a new psu, and found that they had put an 875Watt unit in his rig at the factory: we left it in his pc.
The graphics on that CPU are not considered a graphics card, but integrated graphics. Your CPU portion is a 4-core processor, and your graphics is HD8670D. That's a pretty powerful integrated graphics core (not as powerful as a discrete card, especially that 660).
I am suprised that you are having problems with "every game" except rust: I built one 5 months ago with a less powerful APU - A4 dual core with graphics - and am amazed at how well it plays most games. CoD MW3 at 1920X1080 resolution, mostly high settings, and I get average of 48Frame/sec.
Try uninstalling the AMD drivers and reinstalling the latest versions.
Also, tryTurning down the detail settings in games that have lag and that don't run well. Turn OFF AA (anti-aliazing)
So, are you ready to try again, and we'll see if we can help any further.
 
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hmm, would it matter that im using it on a 55' TV? because rust, wolf among us, and like dota 2 barely runs on super low settings(pixelated to hell xD)

And i apologize for being young and uneducated about computers lol, but im trying to learn more D:

ill only list the new pc's stuff from now on:

PSU: 350 watt (big bold 350 on the side, didnt say "w" but 350 sounds about right)

ill put up a link to a picture of everything inside, its all connected though D:

btw, it says crossfire ready, and i know you can only crossfire the same company of gpu's, so should i crossfire it with a compatible gpu?

Edit: i cant find the mobo, can you help me D:
 


This is long winded, please bear with it and read to the end.
Great! The first pict. show the mother board: It is an ASUS (duh) F2A55-M/M11BB/DP_MB
The PSU is made by AcBel, they make a lot of Original Equipment Manufacture (OEM) psu's, and they aren't top of the line, but are o.k. It is marked 350 so they can market it as a 350watt unit, but in actuallity the sticker tells us that it is not: Combined wattage of the 3.3/5/12v rails is 286.4 (this is an important number) plus the -12V/+5Vsb (standby) of 13.6 for a total of 300watts. I am kinda sorry to see ASUS use such a low power psu in this system,but they have the engineers to actually calculate what the system needs.
It has two +12Volt rails with a maximum current of 13Ampere each which when combined usually results in something under 26amps. It is the current, not wattage, that is important (especially when choosing and adding a discrete video card).
That GTX 660 you are looking at requires a MINIMUM of 450watts for the entire system with a minimum of 24amps on the +12V rail(s) continuous power (not peaked or max) at 50C (internal temperature of the system and psu). That recommendation may be more then is actually needed but not by much; and if you were gaming would pretty much max out your psu.
(nice pictures BTW)
Ready for some more information? Here we go.
Your graphics uses some of the system memory (RAM) to run your games and, well, all graphics. According to your information it is using 822MB or your 8192MB (8GB) of RAM (more info. Contrary to marketing claims, 1GB is not 1000MB, but rather 1024MB; has to do with bytes and binary math which I am not into). IN addition, your motherboard is capable of running memory (RAM) in dual channel mode; this can produce better use of memory and faster reproduction of graphics and just about everything else. Your ASUS is ONLY using one channel: the stick of RAM in the first black slot (just right of the CPU) is an 8GB stick. You could probably improve the video and PC performance by adding another 8GB in the other black DIMM slot. HOWEVER, the two sticks of RAM must be perfectly matched or they won't play well together. It would take way to long to tell you all about RAM, so your best bet would be to pull that stick out, see who makes it and call them and have them match the specs.
BE ADVISED: BEFORE !! you even touch the RAM, shut down the computer, and unplug it from the wall/power source, then wait at least a minute for most of the residual electricity to drain out of the capacitors etc. THEN, before working with the RAM, touch a metal portion of your case or, say a nearby lamp, to drain any static electricity from YOU. Now, push down the white locks at each end and remove the RAM from the DIMM slot.
O.K., enough for now on all that.
Playing on a 55" tv: What resolution do you have your PC set on and your TV? The resolution I mentioned before is native to the 40+ inch TV that computer uses so you want to make certain your TV and graphics are set to the native resolution of the TV. ALSO, are you connecting to the TV with a VGA cable (blue connector) or an HDMI cable: it can make a difference.
Regarding crossfire: Yes, you need to use an AMD Radeon card with that APU,but let's deal with this later.Plus we're back to power issues again. And I believe, but I am not certain, that adding a different PSU will void your warranty. Let's deal with this later.
This will be the last thing for this response; you might want to call ASUS customer service and tell them the problem you are having. I have always had good results working with their people (some haven't) but they may have an answer.
It's very uncommon, but you might actually have a defective APU. I say this because I am getting marvelous (almost unbelievable)performance from my A4-6300 dual core, and your's should be even better.

I JUST NOTICED. Your system has NO intake fan for cooling, nor outlet/exhaust fan for cooling. Airflow into and out of the case is only provided by the PSU fan. I didn't ask before, but will now: ARE the lags and problems playing your games starting immediately upon loading and playing the game, or only after some time period -say 15-30minutes.
 

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Thank you very much for that long reply, and are you saying i should add more ram before anything else?

For example, when I open "Dishonored", I get about 15 fps, and I go into options and change it to the lowest, and I get the same fps.

The stickers I had to rip, to open the case said if these stickers are broken, it voids the warranty.

My catalyst control center only shows one option, and that being display, with some "hydravision" crap, when comparing to my old pc I have TONS of options, including adjusting my resolution, and very specific graphics options, like tessellation and aliasing.


I do not know how to adjust the res of the tv, but the computer when right clicking the desktop and clicking resolution, I adjust it to 1920x1080, and here's something, when I first got it, it fot the screen and I remember my computer getting insanely loud and being very hot, then one day it didn't fit the resolution, and left a black rim around the screen, and never overheats, or gets loud.

I'm using an hdmi for sound, so I can use my surround sound easier.

I know you said I should contact asus, but maybe I messed up somewhere in the settings when I first got it, because I remember adjusting graphics detail somewhere outside of a game, and not being able to play dota on anything but super low pixelated graphics out of the box.

Thabk you so much for helping me this long, ill do my best to make this worth your while, maybe even buy you a cheap steam game? :D
 


No game or payback, please. Don't think it is allowed here, and I have enough games already.
I do not have a Radeon graphics p.c. here at home so can't go into the Catalyst menu to look at settings, but there should be some good information available using a Google search. I know that AntiAliasing slows frame rates, but if you have already set everything superlow, then that is already turned off.
Just a side note: Your old pc, your parents, has a pretty powerful processor. It is a quad core, but the i7 uses Hyperthreading which allows them to act and perform as if it were an 8 core CPU. And Shoot! , that computer should have a pretty good video card in it! No wonder it performs so well.
I wouldn't worry about the little tape things you tore. I still think you need to talk to ASUS, especially if you find all the settings in Catalyst and still can't get it to play better.
How are you measuring your frames per second? Are you using FRAPS?
Another blurb: I have been working with another thread and did some research on the GTX 750Ti video card: It doesn't require the power of the 660 and runs pretty well, and would probably work in your PC (but not in crossfire). Here's a link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487025
 

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Wow that gpu is cheap, holy hell. Its more powerful than a 660? If not, i dont care ill just buy the 660(btw what is "Ti"? is this "Ti"? - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130826&cm_re=gtx_660-_-14-130-826-_-Product)

Im just going to buy the gpu and psu, and install them. What would problems would i run into?

You said the processor for my old pc is amazing, (2.80GHz [8CPUs]), but my new one is 3.7GHz(4 CPUs), how different are these numbers? If i had a 660 and the correct wattage psu, wouldnt it run fine? My old pc could run 2-3 games at once, which was nice, but very uneeded.
 
"Im just going to buy the gpu and psu, and install them. What would problems would i run into?

You said the processor for my old pc is amazing, (2.80GHz [8CPUs]), but my new one is 3.7GHz(4 CPUs), how different are these numbers? If i had a 660 and the correct wattage psu, wouldnt it run fine? My old pc could run 2-3 games at once, which was nice, but very uneeded."


There is not time nor space to allow for any kind of discussion about Intel vs. AMD processors: That really is research you should do using old and recent articles in magazines and on-line that go into the History of processors, processor development in the last 10 years, etc. There are probably discussions here on Tom's forums and I know that there is a bunch of info in Tom's Archives.
"Ti" is a tradmark name of Nvidia's. It generally denotes a better performing video card within a specific numbered series ie. 750 and 750Ti. The 660 is not and does not have a Ti version. The 660 does, however, require an electrical connection with the PSU that your current PSU doesn't have, while the 750 does not.
You should be able to find tutorials, articles, or posts/threads, about 'how to install a video card' here on Tom's Hardware, and certainly using a Google search, and thinking back to the first time I did it I believe that the card will come with an instruction book. You will be changing graphics companies if you go with that Nvidia, so it is important, very important, that you disable and/or uninstall the Radeon driver etc. before installing the Nvidia card.
Which brings me to my final points; I will say it again.
"you might want to call ASUS customer service and tell them the problem you are having. I have always had good results working with their people (some haven't) but they may have an answer."
The work you are planning on will probably void your warranty. That means if something messes up you, or more likely your parents, will have to Pay for any repairs and/or replacement parts. As a parent I would be very unhappy and mad. They have gone to the expense of purchasing the computer for you; in my book - as a parent and grandparent - that's pretty cool. I really don't want to see you mess it up.
ASUS can tell you about the warranty and they may have a good idea of why your games play so poorly.

Best of luck!
 


My Bad. I looked right at it on Nvidia's website and didn't even see it. Must have been too early in the morning. Thanks.
I did notice that the reference card takes two 6 pin PCI-E connectors.
iTriggz: there IS a 660Ti, my mistake.
 

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Hmm I am very bad at explaining things, my apology, when i asked about the processors, i was saying my old one is nice, and was asking if the new one is on par with the old one, or near it. I did look up my A10, but i must be googling it wrong, but theres not much info on mine, just aftermarket ones, and intel ones.

Basics of my question: When i install my PSU(http://goo.gl/1Y2GwY) and my GPU(http://goo.gl/w4kQJa), what problems will i run into?(will i need more ram, more processing speed, more cooling, something different than a hdmi cord? anything different?)