4K vs Ultrawide Monitor :3

HaiImNew · Aug 9, 2014

So..... I Recently bought a Pc Build with 2 780 tis in SLI :3 and still deciding what monitor to buy, Should I get a 4k Monitor or an ultrawide monitor?
will I notice much of a difference from 1080p to 4K?

Karsten75 · Aug 9, 2014

I think there is only 1 4k monitor on the market that is not internally presented to the graphics drivers as 2 smaller monitors. This leads to many issues in gaming. Last I read, 4K was not yet ready for prime-time.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pq321q-4k-gaming,3620.html

NiCoM · Aug 9, 2014

Ultrawide won't even challenge one 780ti to 60fps on Ultra, UHD will make your settings go to medium or high to get a good fps.

So if you already have two of those beast cards i would buy something that could give them a challenge, like a UHD monitor would.

These is a huge difference on the size of everything on your monitor, everything on the desktop will be in ant-size. So you should remember to use a scale of maybe 125% or more i would say.

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

HaiImNew :

Neither - at 4K res, even with two 780Tis, you would be forced to either 30fps, or lower graphic settings. As for the ultra wide monitor - those are quite nice for watching movies, but 16:9 videos (the most popular format) would have black bars on the sides. Also, not all games may work well with the ultra-wide aspect ratio.

The best option, IMHO, for 2x 780Ti, considering their capability and the requirements of modern games, is a 2560x1440 monitor.

HaiImNew · Aug 9, 2014

would 2 780 tis be able to support 2 1440p monitors?

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

HaiImNew :

Technically, two 780Tis can run up to 6 1440p monitors. Although due to the high pixel count, two 780Tis won't be able to handle a game being run on even just two of them. Two 1440p monitors have a total pixel count greater than 4K.

Edit: If you want multiple monitors, then going with 3x 1080p monitors for Nvidia Surround would be better than 2x 1440p monitors.

NiCoM · Aug 9, 2014

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gtx-780-ti-sli-geforce-review,23.html

stock cards, running at 35-40fps on Ultra/very high settings so high/medium is no problem for 780ti SLI.

1440p is though also recommendable but even that seems a bit low for this setup, it's like the ultra wide 1080p, really only needs 1 card to run Ultra in anything.

EDIT: multi-monitor gaming is really only recommendable if you play alot of racing games, for FPS and other types it's more of a bling factor, since many FPS's actually stretch the outer two monitors, making your perspective very wierd (games like Battlefield does this stretch-thing)

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

Hey again!

I got a 4k (Asus 28" 144Hz 1ms) with my 1 GPU (R9 290) and 4790k setup, and I have absolutely no issues with it.

2 way SLI 780 Ti would just be great to go with 4k.

I disagree with Player2, ONE 780 Ti can easily handle 1440p, its not at all a challenging task to handle 2 1440p with 2 way SLI.

Yeah the text would be smaller, but other than that no issues.

Don't consider FHD with what you have, 1440p is the least you should desire. I'd still say 4k is the best here.

If you need multiple displays, 2 1440p will suffice, or 3 FHD as 3 1440p may be overkill and utterly expensive.

Hope it helps, all the best!

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

NiCoM :

Thanks for the URL, but as you can see in bold text in the quote, what I said is supported by the Guru3D benchmarks you linked. No one in their right mind is going to play with severe screen tearing on a large monitor. To avoid that, they're going to have to turn v-sync on, which would lock 35-40fps to 30fps. Playing FPS, 3rd-person action, or racing games, is unpleasant at 30fps, and you'd have no real chance in any competitive gameplay. 4K is simply not practical... not for another 3-4 years at least.

1440p is though also recommendable but even that seems a bit low for this setup

Perhaps, but that is exactly why I mentioned the midway option of 3x 1080p.

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

Player 2, I agree with the monitor setup suggestion.

But what if I told you I get 45-55 FPS on BF4 ultra on my 4k, with 1 R9 290?
Just imagine what 2 780 Tis will do!

I still hold with 4k, no doubt in that.

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

MeteorsRaining :

What model is your "4K" monitor? Because I don't know of a 4K monitor that comes with a 144Hz refresh rate and a 1ms latency.

Secondly, you said "ONE 780 Ti can easily handle 1440p". "Handle" is a subjective term. I myself run my overclocked 780Ti at 1440p res, and I get 60fps fine in most games, as long as I forego antialiasing. Then there are games like Crysis 3, where even at 1080p you would need to tone down settings to achieve a consistent 60fps. Even for Far Cry 3, at 1440p, you have to make a compromise on graphic settings. Now considering that the future games coming in the next couple of years would push the PC even farther than FC3 or Crysis 3, it would be unfair to recommend a graphics system to someone that is already just barely holding on.

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

My bad, 60Hz rate, apologies for that.

http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PB287Q/

He has 2 way SLI, that would do it, no doubts on that. even if 4K takes up 1 whole card, then there's one more completely free for computing the graphics, and I know its not like that. 6 GB, 336 GB/s is enough for 4k Ultra gaming at 40-50FPS if I can do with single R9 290 4K high-ultra 45-55 FPS.

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

MeteorsRaining :

780Tis have 3GB VRAM. Graphics memory doesn't stack in SLI or crossfire. So 2x780Ti also has only 3GB of VRAM. As for playing without V-sync, you get a lot of screen-tearing which may be tolerable by you, but for most people, especially those who play multiplayer games, screen-tearing is simply inacceptable. Check the following benches, and read the conclusion at the end of the article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pq321q-4k-gaming,3620-3.html

Edit: If one MUST go 4K with Nvidia GPUs at this point, then at least look for ones with the G-Sync feature.

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

780 Ti has 3 GB VRAM, 2 of them will have 6 GB combined, whats the confusion there?

Ultra-high 60+ FPS on many games:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gtx_780_ti_sli_geforce_review,22.html

Crysis 3, BF4, Metro Last Light Ultra-Very High settings, all getting 35-45 FPS:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gtx_780_ti_sli_geforce_review,23.html

Also, Multiplayer gaming is very CPU intensive too, maybe a weak CPU?

I hope I'm clear. My BF4 on 4k gets 35-45 FPS on ultra and 35-45 FPS on high settings Multiplayer, look at my sig.

NiCoM · Aug 9, 2014

Screen tearing is a totally normal thing for games to have, number of players that actually use the v-sync feature is getting an even bigger con than the 10-15fps loss, they lose a bucketload of response, since v-sync makes a frame take longer time to reach the display.

For the games you mentioned They're all AMD supported titles.. And the gpu masterrace won't allow the competitor to do well in their titles.. (FarCry 3 & Crysis 3)

turning down the settings to high to get a 60fps framerate is also going to eliminate some tearing, which is probably the most desirable thing to do.

So would still recommend a 4K display, yes it will max out the VRAM but only just.

And to MetorsRaining:
I have a R9 290 myself, also considered buying the ASUS PB287Q like you have (i pressume since it's the only 4K 60hz ASUS monitor)

Could you PM me your experience with this monitor + card? Mostly FPS in games and how crisp the display is. Thanks

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

MeteorsRaining :

I'm not the one confused. I'll try explaining again, read carefully: the graphics memory doesn't add up in SLI or crossfire. Only the memory of a single card is used. It is a very well-known technical fact. So 2x780Ti has 3GB VRAM and not 6GB.

Ultra-high 60+ FPS on many games:

Many games that are available -now-. What about next year?

Crysis 3, BF4, Metro Last Light Ultra-Very High settings, all getting 35-45 FPS:

Yes, but if you turn v-sync on to avoid screen-tearing, your framerate would be locked at 30fps. Again, read carefully: 60fps is a standard in PC gaming, especially in multiplayer. Someone who's playing at 30fps would have half the reaction time as someone who is at 60fps, meaning that they would need to react twice as fast to remain competitive. Which, in turn, gives you a HUGE disadvantage.

Also, Multiplayer gaming is very CPU intensive too, maybe a weak CPU?

I'm sensing a distinct discrepancy in comprehension here.

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

NiCoM :

Quicker response is useless if you have to quickly engage multiple targets on a screen that appears displaced in two or more places. Both have their pros and cons, but the difference is the delay in response by v-sync is consistent, screen tearing is random. Anyone can get used to a consistent occurrence, while the random nature of screen-tearing makes it unpredictable.

For the games you mentioned They're all AMD supported titles.. And the gpu masterrace won't allow the competitor to do well in their titles.. (FarCry 3 & Crysis 3)

That is not a very sound argument, because that would infer that people with Nvidia cards simply should not play those games because they're not optimized for the Nvidia architecture.

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

Quote 1: I still doubt what you mean by 3GB, I know 1 780 Ti= 3GB VRAM. But then 2 x that card = 3GB+ 3GB = 6GB total COMBINED memory for the rig isn't it?

Quote 2: You can never be future proof this way. There's something called high and very high settings which NiCom explained.

Quote 3: Well then what do you suggest? 2X 1440p? single 1440p? You won't really enjoy having 2k with a 3k setup lol(pun intended). Switch to very high and you get 40+ FPS V sync off with less tearing. Again its explained by NiCom.

Quote 4: Sorry I couldn't get what you said, I hope you meant lack of compatibility between us. I meant there that games like BF4 take lots from the CPU in multiplayers.

Guest · Aug 9, 2014

MeteorsRaining :

Oh God almighty... MEMORY IS NOT COMBINED IN SLI OR CROSSFIRE, only the memory of a single card is used. Honestly I'm shocked that you consider yourself qualified to give others technical advice, in an English forum no less.

You know what, repeating the same things over and over again is getting tedious now. I believe enough information has been provided here for the OP to make his decision. I'm sorry but I'm done here.

MeteorsRaining · Aug 9, 2014

Don't be rude. English isn't my mother tongue, and not knowing English properly doesn't disqualify me from giving advices.

Its fine. I was asking if I was wrong and the reason. YES OR NO aren't reasons.

NiCoM · Aug 9, 2014

Bottom line of all this:

if you're going for a 1440p or ultra-wide 1080p monitor, you should sell one of the cards in the process, since that only requires one card to run ultra and the secound card would just fill in unnessecary extra frames and heat.

or go for a 4K display, (there's around 5-6 monitors out at decent pricing which would do you well in gaming), that would actually use the whole potential of your SLI setup..

I know know PlayerTwo called that his overclocked 780TI couldn't run maxed 1440p in some AMD optimized titles, though those titles doesn't look bad at all on High settings (mostly Crysis 3 where you can compare medium to high in other games, and high to ultra and so on).

Personally i would go for the 4K because of the setup (as you could hear in above text), i don't consider 3 screens an option because they're only really a help in racing games, a hardware youtuber made this clear with his 3x1080p setup (JayzTwoCents). Hardware is slowly beginning their march towards 4K gaming and in 2-3 years time where you're maybe considering upgrading to a gpu that runs 4K ultra in titles of that time, you'll be happy you didn't go for the old high-pixel monitor but rather the new standard (in the future ofc).

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