best pc from 1998

8bitgamer8

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so heres a fun pet project iv wanted to do for a while
with 64 bit taking over old games are almost 100% incompatible i have even had issues with the comp not being able to run games through virtual maichesns

so i want to build a pc out of all parts that came out between 1998 and 2000.
i want the absolute best parts that were used at the time.
this way it will run all games made before 2000 at max settings
problem is i need a lot of info on what parts are worth getting and will run everything well.
i will ether use windows 98 or 2000 or me(i know everyone loves to hate it but it never bothered me that much)
 
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8bitgamer8.

It would take some research, but I think the most advanced CPU technology in 1998-2000 would be a Pentium III and I believe the fastest were 1.3 or 1.4GHz. It's possible that the IBM Power4, the first dual core CPU was available in 2000, but was certainly around in 2001 and I think that was a RISC CPU for servers- may not run Windows.

I still have a 1999 system, and one that has some of the better technology from that time. This is Dell Dimension XPS T700r with a Pentium III at 750MHz:

Dell Dimension XPS t700r, 1999

CPU: Pentium III > 750MHZ (Slot 1>)
Memory Size: 768 MB PC100 (768MB max.)
Hard Drives:1 > 30 GB Drive C: operating system and programs
. . . . . . . . 2 > 80 GB 2- partitions for data...

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Being the peripheral guru that I am. I'd recommend the IBM Model M keyboard. This keyboard is full mechanical and has a 16 million color key lighting capability. The last sentence was a joke but this sounds like an awesome project!
 

8bitgamer8

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thanks that looks like a good one i was looking at simler ones. ill put it at the top of the list to cheak out
i found this internet archive page on a guys build in 2001.
https://web.archive.org/web/20010519105944/http://www.mysuperpc.com/
i have no idea how it compares to other pcs at the time other then what he said
if any one can find better listings it would help

the first computer i took apart was 2007
first one i built was 2010
so i have never messed with the insides of this old of a pc
and have no idea what are bad good or "too good" of stats

rember the most important thing is it runs everything made before 200 near max settings(for the few games that had many settings back then) i do not need any more power then that
 
8bitgamer8.

It would take some research, but I think the most advanced CPU technology in 1998-2000 would be a Pentium III and I believe the fastest were 1.3 or 1.4GHz. It's possible that the IBM Power4, the first dual core CPU was available in 2000, but was certainly around in 2001 and I think that was a RISC CPU for servers- may not run Windows.

I still have a 1999 system, and one that has some of the better technology from that time. This is Dell Dimension XPS T700r with a Pentium III at 750MHz:

Dell Dimension XPS t700r, 1999

CPU: Pentium III > 750MHZ (Slot 1>)
Memory Size: 768 MB PC100 (768MB max.)
Hard Drives:1 > 30 GB Drive C: operating system and programs
. . . . . . . . 2 > 80 GB 2- partitions for data
HD controller: Ultra 66 PCI (SCSI) card (2 channels)
Removable Storage 1> 1.44-MB Diskette Drive
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2> iomega 100 backup drive
Video Card : AGP ATI Radeon 128MB
CD-RW : Memorex 52X CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R Drive Ethernet network card :
Dynex 10/100 Ethernet/Internet
Fax Modem : 56K US Robotics
Soundcard: Audiowerk 2 PCI

1 ISA Slot and 4 PCI Slots
2 USB Ports
PS/2 Keyboard Port
PS/2 Mouse Port
One Printer Port (25-Pin Parallel, EPP/ECP)
One 15-Pin SVGA port

This was beautifully made and I think this system cost a total of about $2,500- the Audiowerk 2 soundcard was $250, and the SCSI controller which was twice the ordinary speed- 66MB/s instead of 33- was expensive- $200?- which shows how times have changed. There are people that still use the Audiowerk 2- even writing Windows XP and Linux drivers- it's very good. I have an NEC 3V 15" monitor from that time- about $500!

I think the successor was the Dimension l866r. ( "L"866r) and those could be from 866MHz to something like 950 or 1.1GHz.

Another vintage system I kept is a Dell Dimension 8400 from 2004 which has the first 64-bit, hyperthreading "Prescott" CPU. Only a few months earlier, the 8400 would have come with a 32-bit 570 CPU that was 3.8GHz and I would say that that might be a good CPU choice even though it's a bit after the period you mentioned.

http://ark.intel.com/products/27475/Intel-Pentium-4-Processor-570J-supporting-HT-Technology-1M-Cache-3_80-GHz-800-MHz-FSB

If the games you have in mind will run on a 32-bit system- perhaps with the hyperthreading disabled-, having a PCIe graphics slot, SATA drives, 4GB maximum RAM, and USB, I think something like that would be a much better prospect for vintage gaming, especially the PCIe graphics. A Pentium 570 at 3.8GHz is a $10.00 item and Dimension 8400's are around fro $100 and less. As so many application are single-threaded, I can run (on the 64-bit 630 3.0GHz) AutoCad 2007, Sketchup 8 and Adobe CS4 on a Quadro FX 580, and it actually has plenty of speed. I used that system for CAD and graphics until 2010.

Ah history!

BambiBoom

HP z420 (2014) > Xeon E5-1620 quad core @ 3.6 / 3.8GHz > 24GB ECC 1600 RAM > Quadro 4000 (2GB)> Samsung 840 SSD 250GB /Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > AE3000 USB WiFi > HP 2711X, 27" 1920 X 1080 > Windows 7 Ultimate 64 >[Passmark system rating = 3923, 2D= 839 / 3D=2048]

Dell Precision T5400 (2008) > 2X Xeon X5460 quad core @3.16GHz > 16GB ECC 667> Quadro FX 4800 (1.5GB) > WD RE4 500GB / Seagate Barracuda 500GB > M-Audio 2496 Sound Card / Linksys 600N WiFi > Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit >[Passmark system rating = 1859, CPU = 8528 / 2D= 512 / 3D=1097]

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8bitgamer8

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thanks all that info will help alot. i plan to slowly by the parts as i have the money seeing as its hard for outdated parts to get outdated.
i have been wanting to do this for years but have been forced as i tried to boot a game in a windows 98 virtual pc on my windows 8 machine and it was throwing errors even though i had everything right.
just to much work to get each game working. much better investment to have a dedicated pc they all work on.
 
8bitgamers8,

I've seen referring to problems associated with older software when run on hyperthreading systems and those who choose i5 for current games because they are not hyperthreading . Have you tried running the older games with hyperthreading disabled?

I'm pleased to comment on old systems and can understand your motivation. Old systems- even from the last Century- run the software of their era really well and as time has gone on, better than modern systems.

My experience with a virtual machine was not positive either. When I changed from XP Pro to Windows 7 I found that my Corel Graphics Suite 12 no longer worked properly- no batch processing or opening of files- and I set up a virtual XP machine. This required a lot of HD space, took forever to load, and was so sluggish that I ended up buying a new version of Corel.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

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