Does Mantle actually matter when considering new grahic card

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i am thinking of upgrading my 560TI in the near feature probably next year or so but i keeping hearing about the magical mantle thing only made possible because both Sony and Microsoft use AMD graphic card. so keeping it simple, does it actually matter? by that i mean if for example i buy a similar priced/performance Amd graphic card and a Nvidia card now. in a few year (when all the game is develop for ps4/xbox one/pc exclusively), will the Amd perform better because of mantle or it will still the performance the same as the Nvidia card?


My cpu is I2500k i dont know if mantle depend of Amd cpu or not
 
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In mantle supported games it has been tested that amd cards get better fps, only a couple more, but still more nevertheless, nvidia tends to have the better cards, like the 780 ti is better than the r9 290x, and the story continues all the way down, the 780 beats r9 290 and so on
 
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Don't him bad ideas like that. The R9 290 beats the GTX 780 in Gaming hands down. And the R9 290X and the GTX 780Ti aren't that different either. The GTX 780Ti gets better fps in some games and the R9 290X better fps in other games, also the R9 290X is cheaper but it gets hotter so it's louder. Same with the R9 290 and GTX 780.
 
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You're sayin,g the 780 is worse than r9 290? Alright, amuse me, show me benchmarks that say that
 
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Okay I'll bring in the cavalry

1. Power consumption is way less
2.AMD drivers support re bad, especially in crossfire
3. Black screens are common for r9 290 and r9 290x users, see posts about them on this forum nearly every day
4. More reliable and the best 780 model vs the best r9 290 model, the 780 will win
5. Even the stock 780 is good, can't say the same for the stock r9 290
 
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Okay but that doesn't change the fact that the R9 290 out performs the GTX 780. And btw I get no black screens, and ain't nobody gonna buy the best 780 it's like 200 dollars more than a regular 780. And also who is going to buy a reference R9 290 nowadays anyways? That's pretty irrelevant.
 
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1. it doesn't outperform it, a pc builder will choose a 780 over a r9 290 any day if hey could afford it
2. people can afford things like that, deal with it
3. Just cause you don't have black screens, does that mean all black screen problems posted on this forum are fake?
4. Most prebuilt pc sites do the stock amd cards, for someone who is new to pc building/gaming, they will pick that
 
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You can't tell him to provide proof of what he says and then move the goal line because he proved his point. Your arguments are just scrounging for scraps right now and not relevant to the issue of performance.

1. He already admitted that the 290x gets hotter and louder which no one is attempting to dispute so your point 1 is kinda moot.

2. Depending on who you ask drivers from both sides are bad, if you google "(AMD/nvidia) driver issue" you get millions of results for both, in the end all drivers suck, some people just have better luck with certain ones than other people

3. Yup, these things happen, at least one batch from one side every generation has issues, welcome to the world of technology, would you like progress or perfection? You don't get both.

4. You can't argue reliability, that is entirely up to the OEM as to what parts they use, a Sapphire 290 will likely be just as reliable as a Sapphire 780. And best vs best is only comparing the OCing skill of EVGA to MSI, it doesn't actually compare the cards

5. Didn't read the benchmarks he linked did you? The stock 290 is better than the stock 780.

Now start providing evidence from reviews to back your points up or you just start reading like someone living off opinions not facts.
 
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nah, the internet at night is really bad for me, so I can only refresh page once or now

1. I have seen people complain more about crossfire driver issues than nvidia, most people would agree nvidia have better drivers
2. I didn;t get what you're trying to say, linking it to black screens... but okay
3 I'm talking about stock cards, not aftermarket
 
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1. Once every few months someone will start a thread asking who's drivers are worse and people always have bad things to say about both sides. You've obviously been burned by AMD, but there are many who have been burned by nVidia drivers. Be aware of your bias and don't let it cause you to ignore the inconvenient side of the world.

2. I was getting at the fact that every manufacturer has issues, nVidia isn't immune. They had tens of thousands of laptop GPUs that had major issues a few years back but people still use them in laptops because the vast vast majority of their chips are fine, same with AMD. Just because a vocal minority has an issue don't assume it is an issue with the majority.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/31/figuring-out-which-nvidia-gpus-are-defective-its-a-lot/

3. ALL cards are aftermarket, neither AMD nor nVidia makes the cards, they make a reference design that they send out to all of the board partners, after that the selection of parts to put on the boards and the quality of craftsmanship that goes into those cards are up to the OEM. The custom boards and coolers come later, but all of the boards are custom from the start, even the "reference" cards. You will find a different quality of parts on a Sapphire reference card than you will on a PowerColor reference card.
 
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