Gaming PC Budget Fixing

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Hey all,

Okay, so I have spent the last 2-3months looking at what to get for my new build and I wanted to ask you all what you think I could go less on, or what I may need to go more on.
I will be using this for video editing, but a more hobbyist side of that; and I will also be doing a fair amount of gaming on it (nothing competitive, but more frequently than hobbyist video-editing).
I have a <$1600 budget, which is quite frightening, but from what I have found as parts already, I can reach that budget.
My list at the moment consists of the following:
CPU - Intel i7 4790K ($340)
MotherBoard - ASUS Hero VII ($210)
GPU - Gigabyte GTX 770 ($320)
Case - NZXT H440 White ($110)
RAM - Corsair Vengeance 1866MHZ ($80)
PSU - Corsair RM Gold 750W ($125)
HDD - Western Digital 1Tb 7200RPM ($60)
SSD - Samsung 840 EVO 120GB ($90)
Monitor - Asus MX239H 23in 1080p 60Hz ($200)
Cooler - NZXT X61 Kraken ($140)
Keyboard and Mouse are going to be separate, but are the Corsair M65 RGB and the Corsair K70 RGB.

The issues I have, are that this exceeds the budget by $100, which I really don't want to have to do. So my questions are:
Will an i5 4690K be relatively okay for hobbyist video editing for the next 3-5 years? (Probably not is my guess). Is it any good at handling video editing in the first place? Is the difference worth the extra $100?

Will a GTX 760 be able to last me the next few years as comfortably as the 770 might? Is the difference worth the extra $100?

At the moment, I either have to choose between having an i7 core, but a GTX 760. Or have a GTX 770, but an i5 4690K. However, the only thing that would allow me to have both, is if I substitute some of my other items out. But I think that a 1Tb HDD is minimum, and so is a 120Gb SSD. Motherboard was recommended to me, and the case I simply love. Power Supply I am leaving at 750w for future upgrades, and RAM I will upgrade in the future. The only thing I can see that I may save money on, is the cooler and I want to get some feedback on whether I should get a $40 cooler for now, and then get the NZXT Kraken later so that I can have both the i7 and the gTX 770, but at the same time, I also don't want to get anything that I really wouldn't need. So if the i5 you may believe would be a cheaper and just as effective solution, then let me know. Same goes for the graphics card.

Really just wondering what I can downgrade, without losing too great a performance (anything over 15-20%).
 
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If you're going primarily going to game on it then the 4690K is a very good choice , you won't need an I7 except for the most demanding Video editing ( Which isn't you ). This build beats your build gaming wise , better GPU/Monitor as well . Choice is yours

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VbLsVn
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VbLsVn/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($71.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive...
If you're going primarily going to game on it then the 4690K is a very good choice , you won't need an I7 except for the most demanding Video editing ( Which isn't you ). This build beats your build gaming wise , better GPU/Monitor as well . Choice is yours

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VbLsVn
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/VbLsVn/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($71.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($369.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.00 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($269.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1558.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-09 21:59 EDT-0400
 
Solution
Build looks nice, but to cut down on budget, I suggest getting a cheaper PSU, and maybe going with a r9 280x instead of the gtx 770.

PSU: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr650rm << A bit cheaper.

GPU: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/sapphire-video-card-100363l

The r9 280x trades blows with the gtx 770 anyways. Plus it has an extra gb of vRAM which will help it in higher textures or higher resolutions somewhat.

You could also cut the cost on the monitor. If you're not going with a higher resolution monitor or a higher frequency monitor, then just get whatever cheap 1080p 60Hz monitor. (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-monitor-s23c350h)

You could save on the cooler like you're considering now. If you do, I suggest getting a CM 212 evo at least. It'll hold pretty well even on a nice overclock.
 

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Dear Calnin,

I have had a few people say that the radeon may be the way to go. Except it's $50 more expensive, and I have been told that Nvidia is the way to go for graphics cards. So what is it about the Radeon that's puts it over the GTX 770? Oh and also, I plan on staying with the Asus Monitor as it's an IPS model and looks better with my build. Then again, it wouldn't hurt to know what the difference between the LED and IPS really is. Further, I know Corsair is great when it comes to PSU's and I am going for 750w for when I get another graphics card at further upgrades when necessary. But yeah, if you could let me know on the whole Radeon vs Nvidia case, and the monitor IPS vs LED, then that'd be great :)

Thanks, Cross Hatch
 

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Dear Top Luca,

Love what you've done here! I agree with the CPU Choice, the cooler choice, the new Motherboard! I will keep my RAM because it's 1866MHZ and only $10 so I'll go with the corsair for that. PSU I will also stick with Gold 80+ Corsair. Video card I would really appreciate to know what the big difference with the Radeon and the Nvidia is! I mean the Nvidia GTX 770 is $50 cheaper on Amazon, but a few people have recommended the Radeon, but also a lot more have said that Radeon is just not the way to go. So an explanation there would be great :) Case I may stick with mine, I love the NZXT and it's white and looks great, so I am gonna stick with that, and I already have Windows 8.1, a friend gave me his copy for $10! Monitor I will also stick with mine, I won't see frame rates about 60FPS anyway. But thanks to this, you've helped bring my new build down $200 in price, which I will then put towards some softwares :) thanks.
 
For the PSU, if you're running multiple cards, I suggest getting a 850w for more headroom. EVGA supernova g2 850w is what I suggest.
(http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20850xr)

I don't suggest any corsair PSUs because all the one's that are decent units are way overpriced... For the same wattage, you could get one of higher quality for a better price, at least from what I've seen.

Anyways, answering your questions:

GPU

AMD cards are generally better at price for performance. Performance wise, the r9 280x and the gtx 770 are around the same performance level. The gtx 770 will pull ahead in some situations and the r9 280x in others. The benefits of the r9 280x over the gtx 770 is that you'll have an extra GB of vRAM, which is useful for higher texture stuff, anti-aliasing, Anisotropic filters, etc. In games like skyrim or minecraft where you have modding available, it could help with higher texture stuff or run more mods and what not. Just more room for your graphics card to work with. If you plan on recording games or live streaming, AMD has something similar to nVidia's Shadowplay, though I haven't fully set it up and figured out how it works myself. I haven't really given it a lot of time either. You'll also have mantle, which does offer a nice performance boost on some systems (assuming you're playing a mantle supported game).

As for the argument for nVidia, they do generally have better driver support. nVidia cards generally pull ahead slightly in most cases, the games where they lose to the r9 280x in are one's that are more optimized for AMD (at least as far as I'm aware). You'll have a better time playing with PhysX, you won't be suffering as much because it's better optimized for nVidia's gpus. You don't have as much vRAM, but most games (assuming you aren't going to be doing a lot of modding on higher texture games) will run just fine on 2gb of vRAM. I have a 2gb card in my system right now and it runs everything just fine on high-ultra settings. The gtx 770 is pretty much all you need for 1080p gaming if that's you're going for.

I'm surprised that the r9 280x is more expensive than the gtx 770. The 770 that you put in your build up top shows that it's 320$ compared to the r9 280x that I suggested, which is ~290$, not including mail in rebate.

Monitor

IPS vs TN (They're both still LED).

IPS gives you a better image and coloring I believe, but at the cost of the response time. Some IPS monitors will have 6ms+ response time, which isn't really ideal for gaming. The extra ms can cause a pretty big problem if you're looking to play some slightly more competitive games (CS:GO, starcraft, league of legends, etc.). You could still find some with 5ms or lower maybe.

TN monitors are all you really need. Most of the monitors with lower response times or higher frequencies are TN monitors.
 

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Oh, Sorry! I thought you had said the 290X not 280X. Okay well, the next thing I would ask about the Radeon is whether it would be as efficient with an intel core, as those I do prefer to AMD cores. Some reviews (like GPU Boss) have said that the Nvidia is better, but then others have said the Radeon is better, so I will look into it a bit more, but I don't want to get an AMD Graphics card, which is then not as efficient without an AMD core.
Also, PSU wise I may take you up on that offer with the 850w, and with monitors, the ASUS is still 6ms, so it's still within reason, and I am happy taking the better colouring option, but again will read into it a bit more. But yeah, so Radeon will be better in terms of mods and whatnot, I just feel so many reviews always lean further to the Nvidia side of things.
 
GPUboss is not a reliable website to compare GPUs. It is heavily nVidia biased. Look at the r9 290x vs the gtx 770. (http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-770). The r9 290x is on the same tier as the gtx 780Ti, yet the website suggests its on the same level as the gtx 770.

Intel CPUs have a strong single thread performance, you don't have to worry about the performance of either side's gpu. Performance will rely on the optimizations of the games you'll be playing. In gaming, intel cpus will outperform amd cpus in almost every case.
 

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Alright, well I may stick with the Nvidia since it does have a higher performance for some games, but I will look into the whole IPS and LED monitors!