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Hi guys, I'm looking for a bit of advice. At the moment I'm just using a stuffy little laptop, nothing of any relevance to anything. I can word process and play some source engine games, that's about it. Over the next 4~ weeks I'll have a budget of around $1,000 (including OS & monitor), and I'm not sure what to do.

Should I build a budget PC with the new G3258 and just enjoy medium-quality gaming for a year? If I get a cheap CPU/Mobo/GPU, when the new stuff comes out, the core of my build will remain.

Should I build a higher end PC with a good, solid balance?

Or should I wait to see what the new components are like? The new 8XX series GPU is apparently going to be cheaper/slightly more powerful than the current 7xx series, as far as I know, and the new RAM/CPUs I've heard probably won't work on the currents mobos...Or will these fit on Z/H 97s or completely different sockets.

If I do wait, I could have a budget around $1,500.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($107.60 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $756.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.39 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-G55 SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($116.99 @ Mac Mall)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($239.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2255 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($107.60 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1025.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-10 00:35 EDT-0400

 
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YES! to be honest the 4690k (unlocked) would be your best bet right now and going forward, you could over clock in the future if for some reason you felt the need to, and its hardly more expensive than the unlocked version. If you build what i suggested then you should...
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I think you should save up alittle more, than powersupply isn't great, you will be disappointed in the Pentium as well.

Saving a little more and waiting on the next gen makes sense for you, although I normally never suggest it.

EDIT : HOWEVER if you wanted a decent gaming machine right now. Then the following is a potent PC for a good price with decent overclocking potential to match the I5 4670K and A LOT better graphics performance.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($71.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($369.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1021.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-10 00:48 EDT-0400

EDIT 2 : oh just add wireless adapter again :)
 
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Or you can take something like this with high OC potinental and R9 290 for maximum gaming.

Wait for 5th gen intel is not something big. 3770k and 4770k have almost the same perfomance
and 8xx nvidia series will cost something like 770=860, 780=870 and they will have the same perfomance.
Its like my GTX 760 when i took her, was the same price with GTX 670.
Take a look here.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($369.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GL2460HM 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($139.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1043.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-10 00:46 EDT-0400
 
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You forgot the monitor :p
 
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PLease don't suggest MSI 970 chipset motherboards, they are all junk, that one in particular.
 
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Oops, I dont remember removing it! LOL

In that case...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($71.74 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.95 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280X 3GB IceQ X² Video Card ($267.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer G226HQLBbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.00 @ Newegg)
Total: $1018.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-10 00:54 EDT-0400
 
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Isn't the Z97 mobo range said to support Broadwell too? If this is the case, will the new GTX 8XX series be compatible with that mobo too? And what about DDR4 - does anybody know? Would make the decision easier.
 
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Any new bunch of GPUs will work fine on current motherboard. As for CPU compatibility we dont know yet, probably NOT.

DDR4 ALSO not, however don't hold your breath, DDR4 is still a long way from being good or even necessary.
 
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ddr4 isnt necessary but having a big budget to spend on a beast gpu, z97 is compatible with broadwell thats comfirmed rumor is z87 is aswell but thats RUMOR. So if you buy this fall you'll get the upgrade but unnecessary ddr4 ram,a broadwell cpu, and a gtx 880 which is compatible with all pci e mobos.
 
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I just looked into it and the Z97 will support Broadwell CPUs, and if you say it's the same for GPUs, a good Z97 build could be solid for 3 years, ish?

 
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What about the i5 build I listed? If I get a second 760 when the 8XX series comes out it'll be dirt cheap and should be solid until DDR4 is more relevant?
 
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DDR4 won't be compatible with Z/H97 chipset, because this chipset supports DDR3. If I were you, I would have waited for more time. Maxwell series is being released by nvidia in Sep-14. GTX 880 is expected to be under $500 tab with 10% more performance than 780Ti. Broadwell is also expected in current year.

Right now the prices of the components particularly the RAMs are going high and this would continue for some time. Don't buy now. Wait till the prices drop and new components arrive in the market then make your decision to buy.

It is not necessary to go for overclocking. You can still achieve the good performance by sticking with intel platform and using minimum i5 and investing more into GPU.
 
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So your main advice is to see the new CPU/GPU and then decide between reduced prices 780/new 8XX and check the new CPUs? Also, are you suggesting RAM prices will drop soon?

If I were to reduce the i5 and get a 770 with a good Z97 board, would it be solid for 2-3 years at least?
 
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For gaming i5 is mostly recommended. i7/Xeopn CPU is recommended where in addition to gaming, heavy graphics rendering/editing tasks are required.

With i5 and good GPU your build will be solid for the time to come.

Drop in prices are not expected soon though. Your best bet was to buy during summer sale which is over now and Back to School promos are on.

With GTX 880 expected to be under $500, I don't see any good reason to still going for 700 series. There is one imp point in Maxwell architecture which is they are quite energy efficient. Take 750/750Ti for example. That would mean they won't be stressing PSUs.

If however, you want to build yourself a PC now then consider build a solid build not a budget build.
 
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you could do this and add an os, monitor, and wireless adapter....

CPU: intel i5 4690k ($217 @ microcenter)
MOBO: asrock z97 extreme4 ($76 @ microcenter)
MEMORY: corsair xms3 8gb (2x4) ddr3 1600mhz pc3 12800 ($72 @ newegg)
STORAGE: seagate 1tb sshd ($75 @ ncixus)
GPU: asus nvidia gtx 760 2gb ($230 @ newegg or ncixus)
CASE: diablotek evo mid tower atx ($43 @ microcenter)
PSU: corsair cx750m 80+ bronze certified ($65 @ ncixus)
DISC DRIVE: asus 24x dvdr/rw ($17 @ microcenter)
TOTAL: $795

this gives you some future proof room to where you have enough psu to be able to add another 760 in a year or 2, if needed, or you can just put a new series gpu in at that time. and i would always go with a sshd for storage, gives performance of a ssd for start up and shut down, as well as when opening apps and programs, while having the storage of a hdd.
 
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Check this build, if building now instead of waiting:

CPU: Intel Haswell Refresh i5 4690
Mobo: Asus H97 Plus
GPU: GTX 770
Storage: SSD + HDD

It includes Monitor, wireless adapter, OS and optical drive as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($105.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.60 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($290.20 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ RL2455HM 60Hz 24.0" Monitor ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN725N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($8.88 @ Amazon)
Total: $1198.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-10 02:01 EDT-0400
 
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If I went with an i5/Z97 now, do you think it would be better to get a 760 now and SLI it when prices drop, or replace it with a 8XX series? Or just wait entirely?
 
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If you went i5/z97 now with the build I suggested above, you have the option down the road to sli another 760 in, or you could sell the used 760 all together and add a new 8xx series card in to replace it. You can't sli Nvidia cards unless they are the same card unfortunately
 
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SLI of 760 with 800 series may not be possible given the facts that their architecture would be different and that nVIDIA only allows for SLI of two same cards like SLI of 760 with another 760.

Are you into overclocking? If yes then i5 (k series) and Z97 is a way to go, otherwise i5 (non-k series) and H97 is a way to go. Either 97 chipset series will also support broadwell so you are covered here but these mobos won't support DDR4.

Wait or build is entirely upto your time requirements. I've recommended non-k series i5 in my build with powerful 770 above.
 
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So for $1,000 now, it could be solid for a good 3~ years with either a 760 SLI add-on or an 8xx series card? Potentially even a CPU upgrade before thinking about a full DDR4 upgrade?
 
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Do you think the non-K series with the more powerful 770 with a potential SLI 770 or 8XX series replacement will future proof it enough until a DDR4 becomes relevant?
 
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It also says the H97 isn't SLI compatible. Is that true?
 
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Yes, that is true. Final build can only be posted once you decide what to do please.
 
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Yes, it will for sure. No issue there.
 
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