G. Skill Ripjaws X Blue Vs Red (1600), Which to choose?

Here the Blue (CL7 are both better at stock and better for OCing 9the last letter of the model # with Ripjaws DRAM will give you an indication of OC capabilities (L for Low, M for medium and H for High OC probabilities)

can you give the official link stating this from g-skill ??

Here's a link for the breakdown of model numbers I wrote for GSkill a couple years back on their forums (I'm an Admin there )

http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=10564

not you ,g-skill

While GSkill themselves vetted the thread I linked, feel free to send them an email, their US Rep in CA can be reached at:

ustech@gskillusa.com

or their main HQ in Taipei at

techsupport@gskill.com

I did

did not see a official gskill rep in that thread backing this

http://www.gskill.us/forum/showthread.php?t=10564&page=2

As mentioned I'm an Administrator on the site (Tradesman), if it were incorrect it wouldn't be there but also as mentioned, feel free to confirm with the GSkill folks, can also PM GSkill Support here at Tom's

so?? as far as that goes I can say L= lackluster M= maywork and H= haphazard

you may be right, but its still on your say so now as I said I e-mailed them on this and it will either back you up or it won't.. I been looking this whole time at there site outside there forums on this and nothing conclusive ... so i'll wait on there reply and post it here ... I do find this of interest myself so lets see what they say

Depending on who you contacted would expect an answer either late, late tonight (if you went to the international support) if in the States, or if US Support, they are off weekends so Monday is catchup from the weekend email and phone support calls

Both sets are 1600, the Red set has a CL of 9 the Blue has a CL of 7 - the lower CL is better performance wise - indicates the number of clock cycles to perform and action so the Blue's (here) do an action every 7 clock cycles vs every 9 for the red.

When you are referring to overclock OC are you referring to the CPU overclock or the actual memory overclocking?

Your Gskill links are presently dead for some reason so these are Newegg links.

Gskill 1600mhz cas 7 (Blue)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231536

Gskill 1600mhz cas 9 (Red)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428

The Cas 7 modules are tighter timings and cost more, if I was choosing between the 2 I would absolutely go with the Cas 7 modules, they are tad higher performers than the Cas 9.

People may buy more Red because they don't want to pay 5 bucks more, or because the Red Cas 9 has been on the market longer?

To me going by the title alone, "G. Skill Ripjaws X Blue Vs Red (1600), Which to choose?", it's a No Brainer to go with the Cas7 modules.

So what exactly is your concern when referencing the OC?

When it comes to overclocking the CPU multiplier I have not found any Gskill modules that fell short, PERIOD!

When it comes to overclocking the 1600mhz past the rated speed of the memory to say 1866mhz, that's more regarding the module quality and there are no guarantees, I don't care if they're Blue or Red.

Does that clarify?

You may need to update that Tm1, I don't see any reference to the Trident or Trident X line?

Please link me to some of those magic memory modules you are referring to, that are rated at 1600mhz but automatically increase to 1866mhz or 2133mhz?

A motherboard that is capable of running memory speeds past stock reference speeds labeled like this 1333mhz, 1600mhz, 1866mhz (OC), 2133mhz (OC), 2400mhz (OC), does not mean you can put 1600mhz rated memory into and get 1866mhz, 2133mhz, or 2400mhz out of, unless the memory itself is capable and rated to run those speeds.

XMP profile will allow 2400mhz memory to run 2400mhz which is rated as (OC) on the motherboard, because the 2400mhz memory can actually run at 2400mhz, but good luck getting 1600mhz memory to run at 2400mhz, even if you know what you're doing!

I've never seen Gskill make a solid statement that would hold them in liability claiming their 1600mhz memory modules could automatically run at 1866mhz or 2133mhz, where are you getting this information?

If Gskills 1600mhz modules were guaranteed to run at 1866mhz, they would be selling them as 1866mhz, the same for 2133mhz.

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Yep, that was from a couple years back

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The DRAM doesn't automatically OC itself, DRAM when first installed goes to the mobo default (which is normally 1066 or 1333 with todays mobos), the exception is PnP (Plug and Play) DRAM which bypasses the normal addition of an XMP profile such as Kingston's Fury lines of sticks). Today, the differences pricewise is about $5, it used to be more like $30, and many haven't and didn't want to pay that much of a difference and mess with OCing the DRAM from 1600 on up when they could get very equivalent DRAM at 1866 or 2133...

Also performance wise the CL7 set will more often than not OC to 18667 at CL 8 and 2133 at CL 9 while the 1600/9 sticks also step up about the same 1 step each of freq and CL so 1600/9 up to 1866/10 or 2133/11 which are considered on the lower side performance wise

well like here where does it say these are lower quality or what ever memory and that's why there L suffix ?? nor do they say anywhere theres M-H suffix memory that's better then these?? looks like a misrepresentation or a lie of the real quality of the memory here to where I would be duped into think this is there best to grt or high quality memory when in fact it is not .. right and I don't see then backing the L-M-H thing cause that would piss some folks off in where they thought they bought high quality stick when in reality they did not

so show me here where it showen that this is ther 3ed rated memory cause it the L suffix

http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-12800cl9d-8gbxl

and I contacted there usa support so I guess it will be at least Monday on that

Nothing was said about lower quality, all are guaranteed to perform at spec. These designations go back to the original line of Ripjaws (there are three, the original, then came the Ripjaws X and finally the Ripjaws Z line).........the original line (following JEDEC's original specifications) only ran through 1600 sticks, and the designations were to indicate OC potential.

well that's all well and good so where is that stated when I go to buy ??? so were getting duped and ripped off cause nowhere is it stated this to be ??? is it shown that this is not what they claim and theres better up front??? no its not it just looks like all that you say just make my trust in there product go way down cause you say ''Nothing was said about lower quality'' well yes there is you claim that the L is lower binned or not as overclockable as M or H when gskill states the L meets there highest standard and preferred by overclockers and all the rest of the hype on that page for the L suffix memory so witch is it ??? high quality or substandard ?? hard to claim that knowing theres better M or H to get .. like I said if I bought the L suffix and found out this I would feel a little let down seeing I was not shopping for 3ed rate product

Not sure what you are after. DRAM is advertised to run at it's advertised specs....period. Even then, to run at spec it's up to an individual to ensure that they even have a mobo and CPU that is capable of running at a given freq....i.e. you see people quite often get DRAM that their given hardware just can't run at it's specified freq. I know of NO manufacturer that guarantees that their DRAM will OC over and above it's specifications to a higher spec....For most any sticks, a knowledgeable builder or user will look for things like low CL (as it's often the norm to have to raise CL as you OC), you often look at voltages for the same reason, to OC you often need to increase voltage over and above the spec.....Again much of OCing comes down to the individual....I've seen times where 2-3 people can take a single set of sticks (say 1600) and OC them 2 steps or even more and another person can't OC them at all (knowledge and skill), and I've seen the exact opposite where 2-3 can't OC a set at all, yet another can come up and run the sticks much faster...

As I've mentioned in numerous threads, DRAM is one of the least understood components in a rig, which is why I try and offer additional info on DRAM whenever I can....look through the forums, there are tons of people that advocate simply mixing DRAM and claiming it will be just fine when in fact in can be and often is problematic, and again, just peruse the forums, there's all kinds of threads about people who do this and have all kinds of problems. Many still believe if a mobo can handle the DRAM then you are fine, when it's actually the MC that is more the determining factor, again, look at people (especially with AMD) that buy a mobo that advertises 133 or 2400 and then wonder why their 2400 won't run and find they have a 955 or 965 CPU or something of the sort that is doing good to run 1600-1866.

When it comes to DRAM and OCing it above and beyond, there are no guarantees (as said), though in the forums you can often find those (often builders and computer techs) that work with enough brands/sets/freqs/etc of DRAM that have a good idea of the OC potential for various models of sticks...and there are things to look for (with RJs, this letter designation can give you an idea), you will normally see the H sticks having a lower CL, they might also use different chips than similar models...in short there's many things you can look for, research is a good thing, many put no effort into it at all as they simply don't know DRAM

yes I understand all that but where is gskill representing that gbxl is not as good as gbxm and that gbxh its better?? it don't but you say it is '' OC capabilities (L for Low, M for medium and H for High OC probabilities]''

no where does gskill claim this officially nor do they have on the gbxl will not oc lesser then there gbxh the sales hype is all the same for each and states no different between the suffix on any of there memory

I myself think that common sense also plays in - How much sense does it make when each character of a model number has meaning, except for one? And then additionally when the lower CL sets have an H or a M and the higher CL sticks have a L, one might think it's indicative of something...I know when I look for what I consider to be strong sticks I look for a low CL