can 3 pin fan be controlled by software

Karl Hermann

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i was wandering if i bought 3pin fans and connected them to my asus Maximus vii hero will i be able to control it using the software xpert 3
 
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Yes.....MoBo headers will support both 3 and 4 pin fans but I think you have to tell the BIOS in order to have speed control

See page 3-42 in your manual for CPU Fan. Set Q-fan to disabled for 3 pin fans.

See page 3-43 in your manual for CHA Fan. Set Q-fan to DC Mode for 3 pin fans. You can also tell it what to read in order to control temperature. CPU, MoBo, Temp Sensor

See page 4-11 for how to use FanXpert3
Yes.....MoBo headers will support both 3 and 4 pin fans but I think you have to tell the BIOS in order to have speed control

See page 3-42 in your manual for CPU Fan. Set Q-fan to disabled for 3 pin fans.

See page 3-43 in your manual for CHA Fan. Set Q-fan to DC Mode for 3 pin fans. You can also tell it what to read in order to control temperature. CPU, MoBo, Temp Sensor

See page 4-11 for how to use FanXpert3
 
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3 pin fan connectors can only be controlled by voltage control. 4 pin fan connectors support PWM control which is superior.
 


Incorrect. All 8 headers on my Z87 M6F MoBo are 4 pin..... only 2 are PWM. The 3 CHA and 3 OPT headers are DC ONLY.

Right now I have:

CHA_1 4-pin Header => PCB_1 => (5) Phanteks SP140 3-pin case fans
CHA_2 4-pin Header => PCB_2 => (6) Phanteks SP140 3-pin radiator fans
CHA_3 4-pin Header => PCB_1 => (4) Phanteks SP140 3-pin radiator fans



Every header on Asus RoG boards is PWM and they control 3 pin DC fans just fine. Download the Asus Hero Manual and read the pages I listed above.



 


I believe you are correct. My Asus Z77 Sabertooth can vary the fan speed for my case fans but NOT for my CPU, but I've heard that the HERO VII can do 3 or 4-pin (Voltage or PWM) for all of them.

*Make sure they are VARIABLE FANS. Like THIS ONE:
http://www.ncix.com/detail/arctic-cooling-arctic-f12-120mm-7c-68297-1716.htm

Usually you don't need much cooling so I recommend 600RPM or less on the low end. Most of the motherboard software I've seen can't drop below 40% max/min so that's 400RPM if the max RPM is 1000RPM. So the fan I linked is about the best I can recommend spec wise.

The WORST fan you can get is a 2000RPM fan for example that isn't variable by the motherboard.

(Just noticed it's listed as a 120mm fan but says "F14" on the picture. Probably is the F12.)
 


The three and four pin fan headers are industry standards. If there are four pin fan headers on a motherboard that do not support PWM control then that's laziness on Asus' part.

3 pin = ground, supply (12 volts), tachometer (one pulse per half rotation)

4 pin = ground, supply (12 volts), tachometer (one pulse per half rotation), control (PWM control, 100% duty cycle for highest maximum torque)

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-012074.htm
 
I have the Phanteks SP140s being controlled by FanXpert2 as described above.... it tests the fan(s) on each header for startup speed, stall speed and max speed and sets of fan curve accordingly. They never break 850 rpm cause nothing gets that hot to make it go further no matter what I throw at it. Under Furmark, with the two 780s OC'd 26% (21% on memory) + the CPU at 4.6 Ghz, the cards hit 44C .... if I set the fans to max speed (1238) , they drop to 39C but not like I care if they are 39 or 44 :) Under CPU stress testing they also don't break 850 rpm and CPU tops out at about 74C.


I like that 850 mark as with all 15 fans @ 850 rpm, you can not tell if machine is on or off.

The Phanteks have the best performance / noise ratio at present and even top the infamous Noctua's by 3C
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phenteks_f140/3.htm

They can spin at less than 25% but FanXpert determines the stall point and adds a cushion

326 ~ 26% of full speed
850 ~ 69% of full speed

 

Karl Hermann

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Thanks for all the help man but just one last question the vii hero has only 4 fanhub for chassis fans so i decided to my this fan hub to connect all my fans(7 fans) so i need to ask if it is to many fans conneced to only on fan hub on the motherboard http://www.phanteks.com/PH-PWHUB.html
 


Yes, those **were** the standards ... the most telling piece of information on your link however is in the lower left "Created: 03-Jun-2004"

Things have changed and while you still have the option of doing it the "old way" so that info is still good if you want to go that route, we can also do it the "new and improved" way. As time marches on in the PC world, we have seen rapid "progress" and "innovation" Socket 1366 and even Sandy Bridge are almost "antiques" in PC parlance and 3 generations of MoBo since (Z77, X87, Z97) have brought us many new and wonderful things including the ability to provide speed control for 3 pin fans. Also from that era, we see that the problems with PWM have existed fro at least as long as the Intel page

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9340

Here's what Silentpcreview has to say on the subject of Asus Fan Control

http://www.silentpcreview.com/140mm_Fan_Roundup1

For PWM fan speed control, Fan Xpert 2 utility in Asus P8Z77-V Pro motherboard -- A great board to work with to test fans. You'll appreciate the detailed data summary it generates. It also incorporates a voltage regulation circuit for its non-CPU 4-pin headers, which allows 3-pin non-PWM fans to be analyzed using its auto-tune function, and to run the entire test on the fan when appropriate.

Most motherboards are equipped with speed controllers for their fan headers, and monitor fan speeds for any standard 3-pin fans or 4-pin PWM

With Z87 we started seeing 4 pin DC Headers. Only thing I could imagine at the time was that it was a half step to full PWM and that's what we have today. Asus, and everybody else, recognizes that enthusiasts and especially water cooling enthusiasts want fans that can be turned down to low rpms. PWM has the theoretical technical advantage in speed control but is burdened at low speeds by that buzzing, ticking noises .... when ya spend $1 - 2k on water cooling components, you don't wanna be listening to humming, buzzing and ticking which is common to many PWM fans..

I don't see "innovation" and "choice" being lazy.

-You can still control your fans as you could back in 2004 .... if you want to.
-You can choose to control your fans via PWM control or DC control ... where's the downside ?
-Instead of just 1 PWM header, you now get, 6, 8 or more .... where's the downside ?
-instead of limited curve points, you now can select multiple points along the curver, customizing the slop of the curve to minimize noise until temps get critical.... where's the downside ?
-You no longer have to do any of this manually.... we just tell FanXpert2 to 'tune the fans" and it tests the fan for its max speed, min speed, stall speed and what signal is needed in jumps of 10% from 0 rpm to max speed....where's the downside ?
-You can shut the fans off below a certain rpm .... where's the downside ?
-You can control ramp up and ramp down time so fans aren't chasing their tails so to speak.....where's the downside ?
-You can set them to respond to CPU temps, GPU temps, MoBo temps or anything you want by using any of the thermistor inputs . .... where's the downside ?

As each of those eight options and features gives us more choices, more useability, more efficiency, more performance and required a lot of innovation and work effort, I hardly see how the ward "lazy" applies.

Aside from the MoBo folks, Phanteks has made PWM fans virtually irrelevant with their FAN Control PCB

-It takes a PWM signal from the MoBo to the PCB which in turn can control and power up to 11 3-pin fans.
-As the PWM speed control is at the PCB, the motor ticking, humming, buzzing is eliminated.
-You get PWM control down to speeds formerly unattainable with 3 pin fans.
-I saved $7 per fan for 15 fans or $105 while having the best of both worlds, all of the advantages of PWM and none of the disadvantages.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811984004
$5 cheaper on Phanteks site.
http://www.phanteksusa.com/products/phanteks-fan-hub

So yes, speed control of 3 pin fans is most certainly doable with the Asus Hero VII with FanXpert3 and has been widely available for at least 3+ generations of Motherboards with previous versions of the utility.







 


Well you have 6 as I recall.....

CPU_1
CPU_2
CHA_1
CHA_2
CHA_3
CHA_4

Option 1 ...Use cable splitters on the 4 CHA headers to do 8 fans.

And yes, that is the same PCB as I use but if you are buying the fans, you can't do better than this deal (4 140mm fans + PCB)

http://www.phanteksusa.com/products/pwm-ph-f140sp-fan-bundle

I'm assuming that the 7 fans do not include your CPU Cooler. I;ll assume that takes up at one of the CPU headers.

Option 2 - So, I'm gonna guess where fans are and give a wide range of options, mix and match as suits your build:

CPU_2 => PCB => (3) top exhaust fans ....
CHA_1 => (1) Front intake fan .... run off MoBo Temp
CHA_2 => (1) Front intake fan .... run off MoBo Temp
CHA_3 => (1) Side intake fan .... run off thermal sensor on GPU (buy a thermistor)
CHA_4 => (1) rear fan ..... run off CPU temp

Option 3

CHA_1 => PCB => all 7 fans :)

With the SP140 fans ya can have about 6 safely on the PCB w/o needed to plug in the power cable to the PCB.
 

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