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August 15, 2014 6:04:09 PM

Hello all. I am new to building and would like some recommendations for parts. I'm on a budget so I've decided on the i5 4690 processor. What motherboards work well with this and cost less than 200? Also, same question with graphics card. Beyond that it's just the power supply, ssd, hd, RAM, cooling fan, and case right? Don't really need an optical drive. Any help would be appreciated :)  budget is around 800.

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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:15:18 PM

Do you need an operating system.

The build Kunthankenthe built is a really nice build for the money. I'll post it with my preference of case...Actually the price of his build just went up on pcpricepicker.com. Here is pretty much his same build with a few tweaks.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.05 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X 3GB Dual-X Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia X-DREAMER4-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $833.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-15 21:17 EDT-0400
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August 15, 2014 6:18:05 PM

Oh damn yeah, I forgot about the OS. I do need that :/  Also I should mention I want to game on this thing, and I do have a monitor already. I don't need much memory right now, as I plan to add more later. A cheap case is fine with me.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:22:21 PM

Gammabet said:
Oh damn yeah, I forgot about the OS. I do need that :/  Also I should mention I want to game on this thing, and I do have a monitor already. I don't need much memory right now, as I plan to add more later. A cheap case is fine with me.


never add 4gb to another 4gb they wont work at all/well. so either you get a 2x2 pack of 4gb or just a 4gb kit and add a 2x4gb latter.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:30:39 PM

probably will need to add a hdd later to the intel buiild.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:31:46 PM

Gammabet said:
Oh damn yeah, I forgot about the OS. I do need that :/  Also I should mention I want to game on this thing, and I do have a monitor already. I don't need much memory right now, as I plan to add more later. A cheap case is fine with me.


If it's for gaming, I would suggest losing the SSD and getting a better GPU.
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:36:30 PM

If there's a better deal than this, I haven't seen it. $15 less if no k (no overclocking)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$800 is lil tough for the rest

At this budget level, choosing a SSD will leave ya stuck with a low budget excruciatingly slow HD like the WD Blue which places 63rd on THGs HD charts..... a SSHD OTOH will give you most of the speed of the SSD

SSD boots in 15.6 seconds
SSHD boots in 16.5 seconds

$84 Seagate 1TB SSHD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$90 - Case - At $90 nothing comes close tp the Case of the Year award winner for 2014
Add $10 for the windowed version ... anudder $10 if ya like white
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
2133 CAS 9 is running $100 for 2 x 4GB
1866 CAS 9 is running $90 for 2 x 4GB
1600 CAS 9 is running $85 for 2 x 4GB

Pick where ya think ya price break point is .... average gaming improvement is very small (2-4%) but in some games (F1, STALKER) can hit 11%.

Cost increase on ya $1200 box is 1.25%

Say $25 for a Hyper 212....drop if not OC'ing
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That leaves us $500 for a PSU and GFX (I went with the 2133 RAM

$450 MSI 780
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$65 XFX Core Edition puts ya $15 over ya $800 budget
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Tho,.....I'd do an 850 watter and buy a 2nd 7870 soon after then 880 comes out next month.

$95 puts ya $45 over ya $800 budget with the XFX Core Edition....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$15 more will get ya a Seasonic M12
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...





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August 15, 2014 6:37:26 PM

What the hell does an ssd even do?
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:42:22 PM

Gammabet said:
What the hell does an ssd even do?


basically a ssd transfer files faster,edits fast,renders, and loads things in times a hdd can only dream of. It is not the biggest factor but once you get a ssd the next build WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SSD you'll become addicted to the speed and allergic to hard drive. BTW dont get a SSHD or a solid state(ssd is solid state) hard drive it really wont go faster it only has like 64mbs of ss storage.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:55:23 PM

its bad. the 660 is way to weak to play modern games, the i5 46xx is a waste unless overclocking the 4570/4590 will perform just aswell. dont waste 900$.
that psu will blow in 2 months literally get a evga psu the 750w is 50$. get the noctua d14/15 instead of the h60 and get the z97x or z97 asrock fatality
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:56:46 PM

What do you think of this. And it stays on budget.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($188.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty H97 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.05 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia X-DREAMER4-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $797.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-15 21:55 EDT-0400
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August 15, 2014 6:58:12 PM

Lol
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 6:59:41 PM

Gammabet said:
What the hell does an ssd even do?


SSDs don't have to wait for platters to spin and find stuff....it's no lag storage

Well put it this way.....

Test 1 - Two laptops .... one with SSD + HD and one with SSHD. No one in the office can tell them apart after 6 months

Test 2 - Single Desktop w/ (2) 256 GB SSHDs and (2) 2 TB SSHDs

a) Two SSDs in RAID 0 / SSHDs in RAID 1
b) OS and Programs on SSD1 / Games on SSD2
c) OS and programs on SSHD1 / Data on SSHD2

No one could tell them apart.

A. RAID did nothing
B. If you used a stopwatch while booting you could tell the difference (15.6 versus 16.5 seconds)....If you ran a disk benchmark you could see a big difference.
C, Running AutoCAD by day and games by night off the SSHD or the SSD was indistinguishable.





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August 15, 2014 7:00:52 PM

RookieOfTheYear, I like what I see
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:04:24 PM

Gammabet said:
RookieOfTheYear, I like what I see


Sweet. Here is also a better option for $30 over budget. For the extra money you get an overclockable i5(though I didn't include a CPU cooler suited for overclocking, so you would have to add that when you decide to overclock) and a Z97 board which is suited for overclocking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.38 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia X-DREAMER4-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $835.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-15 22:01 EDT-0400
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August 15, 2014 7:06:17 PM

I'm thinking about using the first build you suggested, only adding a little better graphics card.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:07:43 PM

RookieOfTheYear said:
Gammabet said:
RookieOfTheYear, I like what I see


Sweet. Here is also a better option for $30 over budget. For the extra money you get an overclockable i5(though I didn't include a CPU cooler suited for overclocking, so you would have to add that when you decide to overclock) and a Z97 board which is suited for overclocking.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.38 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia X-DREAMER4-BL ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $835.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-15 22:01 EDT-0400


i like it except the ssd. http://www.overclock.net/t/1457629/psa-about-the-kingst...

also topic creator the cpu cooler will add a extra 30$ for a exceptable one, 60$ for a good one and 100$ for the best.
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August 15, 2014 7:08:24 PM

kunthakenthe, that one is looking pretty boss too.
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August 15, 2014 7:10:12 PM

Does having no interest in overclocking help me save cash on any of these components?
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:11:30 PM

this is a good one. the i3 will slightly bottleneck but you can upgrade this fall to broadwell.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3MWmNG

the gpu is a high end gpu that can do 4k.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:12:24 PM

I personally would spend the extra money, as that CPU is long considered the CPU to compare other CPU's to for gaming purposes(untill the 4690k came along). I mean it's the first $800 that's hard to come up with, another 35 would be well worth the increase you get in performance in the future.

If not, I would still get the Z97 board instead of the board in the first post. It's a better board for the same price.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:13:17 PM

Gammabet said:
Does having no interest in overclocking help me save cash on any of these components?


yes overclocking will add on more cost since you need a good mobo(extra 20-100$ depending), good overclockable cpu(extra 20-40$), and good cooling(30-2000$) (2000$ is for extreme overclockers.)
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:14:18 PM

true the z97 mobo allows for overclocking and has better features.
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August 15, 2014 7:15:52 PM

Basically, I want my PC to bring the boys to the yard.
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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:18:32 PM

Gammabet said:
Basically, I want my PC to bring the boys to the yard.


LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Overclocking is a feature that is special to pc. It can add a nice performance boost(5-10%) but means more heat and energy which means: better psu,cpu cooler,good mobo, and a overclockable cpu.
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:26:33 PM

kunthakenthe said:
Gammabet said:
What the hell does an ssd even do?


basically a ssd transfer files faster,edits fast,renders, and loads things in times a hdd can only dream of. It is not the biggest factor but once you get a ssd the next build WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SSD you'll become addicted to the speed and allergic to hard drive. BTW dont get a SSHD or a solid state(ssd is solid state) hard drive it really wont go faster it only has like 64mbs of ss storage.


It would appear that you have been misinformed. First off the amount on SS storage is 124 times what you said it is at 8 GB. I would also ask, how many have you owned ? I have both in same box and two laptops one with SSD + HD and one with SSHD and my test results as well as every review say different. The two office laptops get used for AutoCAD during the day and gaming at night .... so far no one can tell which one is which w/o a stopwatch.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5748/seagate-desktop-2...

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A situation like this left most power users using an SSD for their operating system, while still running a secondary mechanical drive for storage and games. A typical setup such as this would allow the OS to load very quickly, while leaving you stunned at how long it took to load a game. With the introduction of the Desktop SSHD, Seagate has again switched up the game, offering a substantial performance boost to those of you in this situation.

Now, if you are one that chooses to use a single drive for your operating system, and have held onto your standard desktop HDD for the benefit of capacity, the Desktop SSHD is calling your name. The 8GB of NAND cache in conjunction with Seagate's application optimized algorithms should offer a tremendous performance boost, and again the more you use, it the faster the drive will get, as it learns how you use your system.

In every case seen here today, the Seagate Desktop SSHD excels, whether it be a synthetic point and click benchmark like HD Tune or ATTO, or even application traces via PCMark 8, the drive just performs.


Yes, I do put SSDs in every system....when budget allows..... but here we are given the choice of a 780 + SSHD and a 770 + SSD + HD and even with a great HD that's an easy decision for gaming box when the games are gonna sit on a budget HD like the WD Blue.


The WD Blue sits in 63rd place on THGs hardware charts.... see what sits in 1st and ask the question.... which of those two you want your games loading off ? The one that gets 9.78 on the gaming benchmark or the one that is 2.5 times slower at 4.01 ?

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-...

That SSHD also allows you to spend the cost of the SSD on a GFX card upgrade which gives you another 20% advantage.

If you have $100 to spend on a gaming box....

a) Spend it on a GFX card upgrade.
b) If there's no place to go there, spend it on a upgrade from 4690k to 4790k
c) Upgrade from an SSHD to a SSD only if both those are already done....and still keep the games on the SSD, Since the SSD learns what you do regularly, and since most tend to play games in streaks .... the SSHD will optimize itself accordingly.
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 7:28:38 PM

Gammabet said:
Does having no interest in overclocking help me save cash on any of these components?


yes.... you can save $25 on the cooler tho the cooler will result in less strain / deterioration on the CPU .... either way will last the typical 3-4 years.

and 2... you can save $15 by dropping the k ....

I was $45 over budget with my GTX 780 build which was sized for an SLI upgrade .... the 780 won't only bring the boys to the yard, it will bury them there :) 

So with no overclocking the 780 base build is $805 .... has premium award winning components up and down but I see you left out the OS.... could go $95 over budget of if you are a student, can usually gram one on most college and many HS campuses for $0 - $25.

There's also this

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/edu

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August 15, 2014 8:01:11 PM

How much does the choice of manufacturer matter when it comes to video card selection?
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 8:43:05 PM

Gammabet said:
How much does the choice of manufacturer matter when it comes to video card selection?


A lot .... MSI for example is much much quieter than everyone else.... and Im talking sometimes as much as half as loud....their 780 Ti for example gets a 9.9 rating, everyone else is at 9.4 or 9.5. Asus makes high quality cards but tends to under clock them I guess to save on warranty issues

With $800 you can easily get a 780 build as I have shown above and the 780 tops every other GPU out there except of course the 780 Ti ..... and at just $450, it's just too hard to say no to. Especially when the MSI 290x which is slower is $585 and the MSI 290 is $435

See 8:40 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvZaHHU4I8

here's the two compared in BF4, a game that substantially favors AMD cards.






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a b V Motherboard
August 15, 2014 10:14:53 PM

lol the 780 doesnt really trump the r9 290 and the r9 290x beats it and is on par with it. Especially at 4k or many multi monitors the r9 with 4gb vram is a way better choice. The r9 290 is usually 399$ from asus, asus is known to be quiet and have great cooling(28Dcb i think). The gtx 780 is 450-600$ depending if you get the cheap or top tier, the r9 290x is around 500$-600$ max the 780ti for 5-7fps more you pay (700$-900$).
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a c 240 V Motherboard
August 16, 2014 10:28:19 AM

1. Reconfiguring the build so it better fits the argument you wanna makes the information irrelevant to the choice here.

2. We do not have a 4k system here; I would have given alternate advice and recommended the 290x if that was the choice being presented..

3. Looking at the image above, the 780's 133.6 and the 290x is 129.8 .... how is that translate into "beating or on par" especially when that game is well known to favor AMD ?

4. In the video review I posted, where did you see the 290x "beating or on par with" the 780 ?

Crysis 3 - 780 wins by 11.5%
Bioshock Infinite - 780 wins by 3.8%
Far Cry 3 - 780 wins by 5.3%
TombRaider - 780 wins by 5.9%
Star Citizen - 780 wins by 23.2%
BF4 - 780 wins by 2.9% in a game known to very much favor AMD

The 780 accomplished a "sweep" with an average 8.8% advantage

5. All R9 series cards combined (7 cards total) amount to just 0.52% of the market. The 780 Ti alone has 0.47 % . So if the 290x / 290 has an advantage, the buying public appears not to be convinced. Since March, the 780 and 780 Ti have increased market share by 0.34% all R9 series combine managed only 0.21%

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

6. Again, why is multi monitors or 4k in the discussion when neither is part of the system in question.

7. Again, show me where 4 GB shows an improvement over even 2 GB at 1920 x 1080

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/gtx-770-4gb-vs-2gb-teste...

Pay specific attention to the part about being able to use more than 2Gb does NOT result in a performance increase when 4 GB is present.

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when we replaced the 4GB GTX 770 with the 2GB version ..... there were no slowdowns, stuttering, nor any performance differences that we could find between the two GTX 770s.


8. The best* 780 is the one recommended at $450 so why is the price of anything else significant ? Given the choice between the recommended card and a poorer performing that cost more, how many would pay more to get less ? In BF4, an AMD favoring game, the MSI 780 beats the Sapphire Vapor X 290x by 6.4% as shown in the image above and it is $110 cheaper.

9. The best* 780 Ti is the MSI 780 Ti which has been $600 every other week on newegg for 14 weeks, so why would a lesser more costly card be under consideration ? In BF4, an AMD favoring game, the MSI 780 Ti beats the Sapphire Vapor X 290x by 22.1% as shown in the image above and yet it is only 16% more expensive (this week ...).

* Outside the Lightning, Classified

Yes, I agree the 290/290x are fine choices at 4k res or anything above 2560 x 1600 but at 2560 x 1600 and below, the numbers are the numbers and they favor nVidia in this segment.

Still, this will all go out the window next month as when the 880 drops, prices will see a major reshuffle so I wouldn't buy anything now.

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