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August 16, 2014 1:59:38 PM

okey so I want to upgrade my rig as my current rig does not seem to want to run arma 3 on any graphics settings!! I cant seem to get my fps any higher then 20-25fps on any graphics setting si think its time to make some changes

Budget ~ £1000

MY Current Rig ~

Graphics Card ~ Amd ATI Radeon HD 7970 3GB
CPU ~ 3.8Ghz Amd FX-6200 6-core
Motherboard ~ Gigabyte GA-970A-Ds3
PSU ~ Corsair Enthusiast Series TX650 80+ 650w
Ram ~ 16gb Corsair Vengeance 1600MHz
Cooler ~ Corsair H80i
Memory ~ 1TB Sata III Hard Drive
OS ~ Windows 8.1

someone suggested this upgrade??
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/B3LFmG

any other builds that i can gain more??

thankyou

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August 16, 2014 2:08:11 PM

upgrading your cpu and motherboard will do the job hdd 7970 is a good card for playing at high settings so get the i5 4690k and the z97 board after that if u still think that u are not getting enough fps then get a r9 290x or gtx 780....and dont get the reference model of the card as suggested they have low clock speeds and are usually hotter....
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August 16, 2014 2:10:54 PM

maybe a i5 4690k. sorry but the 7970 is a r9 280 and thats one of the best gpus out.

edit 7950. it still should perform better.
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August 16, 2014 2:17:01 PM

See my post on your other thread. Your current system should get much higher frame rates than what you currently have, so there is a problem that is software/hardware related.
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August 16, 2014 2:19:01 PM

kunthakenthe said:
maybe a i5 4690k. sorry but the 7970 is a r9 280 and thats one of the best gpus out.


actually no 7950 is a r9 280 and 7970 is r9 280x and r9 280x can be crossfire with 7970 but i will suggest to have at least a 750 watt of psu for crossfire...here is a link with details....http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-r9-280x-radeon-...
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August 16, 2014 2:19:18 PM

yeah thats what im thinking a r9 280x should be pushing higher frames. however do that intel upgrade. it will provide much better performance than a.. 6200.
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August 16, 2014 2:20:48 PM

RazerZ said:
See my post on your other thread. Your current system should get much higher frame rates than what you currently have, so there is a problem that is software/hardware related.


what i think its the cpu wich is bottlenecking the card and yes the drivers a loose connection virus also may be the problem....with a 7970 he should get at least 40+ fps in games at high to ultra settings...
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August 16, 2014 2:21:25 PM

prit87 said:
kunthakenthe said:
maybe a i5 4690k. sorry but the 7970 is a r9 280 and thats one of the best gpus out.


actually no 7950 is a r9 280 and 7970 is r9 280x and r9 280x can be crossfire with 7970 but i will suggest to have at least a 750 watt of psu for crossfire...here is a link with details....http://www.tomshardware.com/news/radeon-r9-280x-radeon-...


yeah sorry about that. the i got them mixed up i once thought the 7970 was a r9 280 and a r9 280x was 7970ghz.
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August 16, 2014 2:23:02 PM

kunthakenthe said:
yeah thats what im thinking a r9 280x should be pushing higher frames. however do that intel upgrade. it will provide much better performance than a.. 6200.


Ok...looks like I'm going to have to post the same image here as well:



Upgrading to an i5 would give him maybe 5 fps more.

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August 16, 2014 2:31:48 PM

the i5 is way more powerful in newer games and leaves him a upgrade path for when HT is utilized in games. (dx12 supports some kind of gpu hyperthreading or maybe its cpu.)
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August 16, 2014 2:35:25 PM

kunthakenthe said:
the i5 is way more powerful in newer games and leaves him a upgrade path for when HT is utilized in games. (dx12 supports some kind of gpu hyperthreading or maybe its cpu.)


yes i5 yes more powerfull that his current processor and its always best for games but i5 doesn't have hyperthreading only i3 and i7 have hyperthreading and dx 12 is not yet released....
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August 16, 2014 2:36:03 PM

Get a i5 with a z97, that takes up 300 pounds, 700 left for 780ti or 780 and money left for new psu maybe
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August 16, 2014 2:38:14 PM

prit87 said:
kunthakenthe said:
the i5 is way more powerful in newer games and leaves him a upgrade path for when HT is utilized in games. (dx12 supports some kind of gpu hyperthreading or maybe its cpu.)


yes i5 yes more powerfull that his current processor and its always best for games but i5 doesn't have hyperthreading only i3 and i7 have hyperthreading and dx 12 is not yet released....


oh i meant a upgrade path to a broadwell i7. and dx12 should be out around early-mid next year.
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August 16, 2014 3:06:34 PM

so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....
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August 16, 2014 3:06:47 PM

the i7 the hyperthreading will be utilized. the 1000w for the crossfire. the r9 280x for crossfire. the z97 for overclocking and upgradability. the ssd for speed.
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August 16, 2014 3:06:57 PM

prit87 said:
so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....


not risking it.
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August 16, 2014 3:10:50 PM

kunthakenthe said:
prit87 said:
so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....


not risking it.


don't agree on this upgrade??

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August 16, 2014 3:11:55 PM

kunthakenthe said:
prit87 said:
so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....


not risking it.


ha ha .....no problem its always better to have enough head room..
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August 16, 2014 3:12:44 PM

TomSkini said:
What 7970 card do you have? Ideally you want the two cards to have the same clock speed if you are crossfiring them.


the cards will underclock to the slower one. then they can both be overclocked.
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August 16, 2014 3:14:14 PM

TomSkini said:
What 7970 card do you have? Ideally you want the two cards to have the same clock speed if you are crossfiring them.


kingbongo said:
kunthakenthe said:
prit87 said:
so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....


not risking it.


don't agree on this upgrade??



i agree but 2x250w= 500w +84(cpu) and everything +(100)= 684w approximetly plus he could overclock which could add up another 20-100w depending on what he overclocks(gpu/cpu) which is really close to a 750w limits.
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August 16, 2014 3:15:25 PM

prit87 said:
kunthakenthe said:
prit87 said:
so you are going for a crossfire after all yes it will work.....1000 watt psu is more than enough a 750 watt would have done the job .....


not risking it.


ha ha .....no problem its always better to have enough head room..


yeah you never know. plus this will last him many upgrades and is backed by 10yr warranty.
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August 16, 2014 3:16:13 PM

all I can find is its a amd ati radeon 7970 3gb xfx
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August 16, 2014 3:29:53 PM

kingbongo said:
all I can find is its a amd ati radeon 7970 3gb xfx


the r9 280x is a 7970 just rebranded and slightly overclocked so it probably will down clock.
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August 16, 2014 3:31:22 PM

why are we going for a 280x when the Op has 1k to spend?
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August 16, 2014 3:52:05 PM

What other gpu will be able to crossfire that are better then the 280???
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August 16, 2014 3:53:08 PM

kingbongo said:
What other gpu will be able to crossfire that are better then the 280???


why not sli? But 290 crossfire will be nice, for 1k, I'd suggest i5 4690k with z97 board, that leaves 700 pounds left for a good 780 sli
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August 16, 2014 3:56:21 PM

Not sure what sli is as I'm a noob could you build on part picker so if I decided to go with that I can just order from there :) 
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August 16, 2014 4:00:43 PM

btw, nvidia is a personal preference, I can get you a r9 290 crossfire if you wanted to
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August 16, 2014 4:03:46 PM

kingbongo said:
Not sure what sli is as I'm a noob could you build on part picker so if I decided to go with that I can just order from there :) 


sli is using 2 or more nvidia cards in a same machine at a same time.....and crossfire is for amd cards they are same just names are different....
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August 16, 2014 4:03:51 PM

Yes legend could you do it on part picker please
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August 16, 2014 4:07:21 PM

kingbongo said:
Yes legend could you do it on part picker please


I could get you a single gpu instead? I could get you a 780 ti, cause I think single cards are more reliable and then I won't need to buy you a new power supply, also, you must remember not all games support dual cards very well

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/MVrwmG
here's a crossfire 290
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/MwGdGX
and this is a single gpu
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August 16, 2014 4:09:38 PM

Okey great will have a think about it and decided what rig I will buy, in your opinions what's the best upgrade of all the suggested posts?
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August 16, 2014 4:13:24 PM

kingbongo said:
Okey great will have a think about it and decided what rig I will buy, in your opinions what's the best upgrade overall?


I would personally wait for the 800 series to be released, because the sli 780 option I sent you before that was 95 pounds over budget? That will be below 1k, because when the new 800 cards are out, you can either get the 780's, as the price of them will drop since there are a new series, or, get sli 880, which are rumoured to be below 500 dollars and offer performance between the 780 and 780 ti, 500 dollars is roughly 325 pounds, so it would cost you 650 pounds to sli 880, a card that can perform better than a 780 and that leaves you with 350 pounds for a ssd, i5 and motherboard. But if you wanted just one build out of the 2 I selected, I prefer 780 ti, even though the crossfire does bring better performance in 1440p and 4k, I prefer the stability of a single card and not all games support dual cards so you may hae to wait for new drivers to be released etc to utilise the 2 cards. not to mention the increased power consumption and also heat generated from 2 cards
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August 16, 2014 4:16:11 PM

Okey well thanks for your help I think it's going to be a choice between the the ones you made on partpicker thanks for your help
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August 16, 2014 4:18:35 PM

np, what res. do you plan on gaming at?
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August 16, 2014 4:22:10 PM

1920x1080
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August 16, 2014 4:22:30 PM

And you don't plan on going any higher resolution in 3 or 4 years time?
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August 16, 2014 4:23:19 PM

Na don't think so
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August 16, 2014 4:25:23 PM

kingbongo said:
1920x1080


a single r9 290/gtx 780ti sli will last for year playing ultra on this res.
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August 16, 2014 4:26:16 PM

Yeah, then just get the nvidia build, cause even a 780 ti is overkill for 1080p ( 80fps), but r9 280x crossfire will give you like over 110fps on games on ultra, I'd suggest you get the 780 ti build, then with the 200 pounds odd left, get a 1440p monitor, taht way, you'll enjoy better graphics with the bigger res. Or you can get a ssd as well
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August 16, 2014 4:27:42 PM

So I need higher res... So I will get a new monitor end of year :) 
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August 16, 2014 4:28:31 PM

kingbongo said:
So I need higher res... So I will get a new monitor end of year :) 


You don't need higher res. It's just to take full advantage of the 780 ti, a 1440p monitor will serve it justice :) It can run 1440p and 1080p at same time btw so you can dual monitor
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August 16, 2014 4:34:05 PM

Okey awsome thanks
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August 16, 2014 4:34:40 PM

np
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August 16, 2014 4:36:51 PM

kingbongo said:
Okey awsome thanks


welcome you could get r9 290x if you want it like 50 euros cheaper or like amd other than that the 780ti is good.
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August 16, 2014 4:37:35 PM

Was planning on buying a 42inch at a later date. Think I'm gunna go with the crossfire 290 build
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