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August 18, 2014 3:42:07 PM

Hello,

Yeah that's right, i noticed artifacting in Firestrike benchmark with my two R9 290, alone and in crossfire, and with the igpu ( HD 4600 i think) and in game too, like in Murdered Soul Suspect, i get artifact with all three at the same place ( green pixel, green flash etc).

My system :
Msi Mpower Max AC
I5 4670k
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
2x R9 290 Tri X
EVGA Supernova G2 1000W
Case Corsair Cardbide 540 air
8gb of Ram

I'm suspecting my PSU or my motherboard.
I got some freez sometimes.
One time, my second GPu weren't recognized by my mobo until i start the pc with my hdmi cable connect to the second GPU.

Edit : I just tested the 12v rail and it give 12,26 and 12,29 under load.
So... i think that it might be : my motherboard, or my Ram eventual.
Or a setting, somewhere


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August 19, 2014 1:56:02 AM

Can a motherboard give artifact ?
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August 19, 2014 6:03:07 AM

Downloaded the benchmark again to see if you got a bad install?
Checked with a different monitor?
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August 19, 2014 6:49:24 AM

I don't have a spare monitor, but i saw the artifacting on a video that i took during gameplay, so i don't think that's a Monitor error.
I'll try another HDMI cable.
I tried to resseting the Cmos and to change the GPU1 too the second PCIE slot and GPU2 to the first one.
No change.
So i'm down to : All my gpu being dead.
Bad motherboard
Bad Ram.

Could a bad Ram stick cause occasional artifact in game ? And a bad motherboard ?

And idon't think that there is something wrong with the install of the Benchmark, because it will not always show up, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
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August 19, 2014 7:12:10 AM

Jack-OF-Blades said:
i get artifact with all three at the same place ( green pixel, green flash etc).


That's a litle odd imo.Especially with all three gpu's.

You could check the ram with the next,
http://www.memtest.org/
you need to create a boottable device= usb stick or cd/dvd and start from that,let it run for a few =~4 passes.
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August 19, 2014 7:23:50 AM

One stick at a time ?
Also there were less artifact with the Igpu. But it give artifact in Firestrike too.
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August 19, 2014 7:29:53 AM

Jack-OF-Blades said:
One stick at a time ?


Yes,that's better,forgot to tell.
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August 19, 2014 7:50:16 AM

No proble, thanks you for helping me.
Do you think that a Motherboard can cause this ?That would be my nightmare.
I tried underclocking my Gpu and that didn't helped with the artifacts in Firestrike for example. Undervolting, overvolting, exact same thing.
Changing HDMI cable. No change.
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August 19, 2014 8:03:09 AM

Maybe it's the motherboard ,but more like do you have the latest bios?
Look for the latest drivers,start with chipset and further.

Otherwise would it be something/some fault in one of the pcie slots.Maybe reseat the gpu's again,but that doesn't explain the artifacts with the igp.Or it would have to do with the cpu ... hmmm?
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August 19, 2014 8:06:10 AM

Make sure you are running the latest graphic drivers. Also, check your temps and make sure your case has proper airflow.

Artifacting is either software/driver related, GPU related, or heat related (or mix thereof). I don't think the motherboard has anything to do with it.
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August 19, 2014 8:17:53 AM

I have the latest Bios.
i tried both Gpu1 and 2 alone, when they where in two different pcie slot.
When i install a driver apart for the CD one, CCC is always saying that there were some warning during instalation.
But the firestrike artifact is there with the Cd driver too. ANd i tried also 14.4 ands 14.6. 14.7 gave a BSOD.One of my GPu reached 100 degre the first day, and there were Big artifact all o f a sudden because of that, but second GPU didn't reached this kind of Temp. Now Temp are fine, First GPu never go above 80 degré and second one never go above 70. CPU didn't had any trouble with temp. There are artifact with the two different GPu, they all pass MemtestCl ( for the vram) and OCCT. Also once, , during one of the first day after i built it, the Bios showed a distorded screnn on the Igpu. that never happened again. But a this point i really don't know.
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August 19, 2014 8:31:01 AM

Have you looked for bent pins in the cpu socket or something similar on the cpu.Maybe even try the stock cooler to see if the evo doesn't put too much pressure onto the cpu.

I'm really starting to guess now,but maybe worth taking a look at.The cpu is in charge of the pcie lanes.
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August 19, 2014 9:06:41 AM

Did this kind of issue already happened ?
If a pins was bfailing, i would have other king of problem, no ?


I don't seem to have any artifact on the desktop.


But when i look at post with board or CPu bent pin, These are problem with pc that are not booting at all etc
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August 19, 2014 9:21:02 AM

Disable the integrated graphics in your BIOS, you should be running on the 290s only. It sounds like you are having more than one issue, but to isolate the problem make sure the GPUs are running in the right temperature and the igpu is disabled.
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August 19, 2014 9:28:40 AM

It's disabled i only enabledit when i wanted to try it.
And they are actually running at a normal temperature, i monitor it with Afterburner.
I should mention that then artifact are not always there and are quite rare during gameplay.
I notice some of then only when i watch some video that i took to check for artifact.Like a cinematic where i can see a little white line appearing when i look at the video, and if i redo this part the white line won't appear again.
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August 19, 2014 10:06:13 AM

Jack-OF-Blades said:
It's disabled i only enabledit when i wanted to try it.
And they are actually running at a normal temperature, i monitor it with Afterburner.
I should mention that then artifact are not always there and are quite rare during gameplay.
I notice some of then only when i watch some video that i took to check for artifact.Like a cinematic where i can see a little white line appearing when i look at the video, and if i redo this part the white line won't appear again.


Well 100 degrees during firestrike would explain artifacts.

Little to no artifacts during gaming may mean you don't have a huge problem. Your ambient and case temperatures might be a bit hotter than they should be. As I said before make sure your case has good airflow. Occasional artifact may be driver related but if you notice more than one in a short amount of time something is wrong and you should probably back off and check temperatures.

If you consistently notice temps higher than they should be on one card, it may be defective and need RMA.
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August 19, 2014 10:13:11 AM

Only one card did go to 100 degre and it was only the first day, and not in firestrike.
I'm playing games that i play with the first card with the second card that i moved on the first pcie slot and i saw a bit of artifacting in the game.
During firestrike, my gpu don't go over 70/75 degre and they show the sames littles white flashs at the same post in the first test. But sometimes they don't, and i always monitor temp now, they are never a problem. i'll try to clean driver to install the 14.7. Maybe the instalation will go better. Also, when i install the driver like 14.4, 14.6, they say that there were some warning, but in the report, there are nothing under error message....
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August 19, 2014 10:19:08 AM

I would clean install drivers, then check one 290, then the other 290.

It sounds to me one of the 290 is more susceptible to artifacts, and should probably be RMA'd
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August 19, 2014 10:21:58 AM

I'll give you more feedback. But stille the other one is giving some artifact too.
I'll also test my ram tomorrow .
If the issue continue but is minor at it is right now and if the Ram is not faulty, i think that i'm gonna wait ( as the problem doesn't seem to be the PSU...). In fact i need some spot in game where artifact would be more relevant and where i could compare between graphics card with more efficiency. because they are too random for now ( the only which is not is in firestrike, and in Murdered soul suspect but i didn't have green pixel when i continued to play the game further, and i read that there were error with green shadow etc in the game so... green flash, error with green in the game...maybe this one was game and driver related. Hard to know)
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August 19, 2014 10:27:40 AM

I'm also curious if it only happens with one game in particular or all games. Are there any games it doesn't happen in?

I have not known RAM to cause artifacting. Bad RAM usually results in random crashes, reboots, or failure to start altogether.
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August 19, 2014 10:37:15 AM

It happened in darksiders ( flickering black polygon and texture but and difficult to spot in real time etc), Murdered Soul supect ( green flash), Sleeping dogs have some white etxture that are flickering when i moove, i thnik i saw a blue square one time, but not sure. I had a big black artifact in Fable 3, but it happened after alt tabing and going back into the game. In watch dogs i have black spot and little black square on building and little white artifact that are appearing whenever i use any MSAA ( but if don't use MSAA, there are no artifact as far as i can tell) I tried the supersampling and siabling msaa to see if it was an artifact due to performance hit, but i didn't get this artifact with supersampling ( but lower FPS) on ly some white texture when driving quickly because i think they had problem to load quickily ( card ran out of vram in GPUZ ). I didn't really saw artifact in payday 2 and in Shogun total war thought.
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August 19, 2014 12:07:46 PM

Well one white line just appeared on a intro cinematic of Left for dead 2 for a second...
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August 19, 2014 12:11:24 PM

You still get it with all three gpu's? The r9 290X's in crossfire or by themselves.
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August 19, 2014 12:14:12 PM

For this one, i can't really say, because it's really random, that's the problem...
I would need to have really big artifact in a place and see if with one or another gpu, the problem is till the same.
But the kind of artifact i have are not really game breaking for now, so i think i'll test ram, and i'll wait to see how it goes.
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August 19, 2014 12:20:06 PM

I understand.Maybe try one at a time for a more extended period.Somehting like darksiders doesn't really need even one of those gpu's.

Did you play with things like v-sync on or of? Try with on if you haven't.
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August 19, 2014 2:24:21 PM

I play it with on.
I had different type of artifact in Darksiders with the two GPU.

If Ram is not the problem...Maybe i have : faulty Igpu, and two faulty R9 290 ?
or i could try reseating the Cpu. eventually.
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August 19, 2014 4:14:57 PM

Like I said before - try one card at a time.

It's not the CPU or the RAM. You heard it here first.
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August 20, 2014 12:11:34 AM

SHould i leave only one card in my card in my rig or can i just disbale crossfire in the CCC and switch the HDMI cable between the two card when i want to test each card ?

One question, when i install a GPU, do i have to unlock the locker ? Or should i have to leave in locked position ? Because at this point i just don't know if my GPU's are coorectly seated.
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August 20, 2014 1:15:43 AM

Well i just tried the Igpu in firestrike almost ten times and the artifact was not there at all. Maybe i dreamed...
So at this point, i thnik i have 2 R9 290 which are faulty.
I'll test further...
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August 20, 2014 1:20:34 AM

Jack-OF-Blades said:

So at this point, i thnik i have 2 R9 290 which are faulty.
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Maybe they just don't play well together.As said try them seperately.
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August 20, 2014 1:44:40 AM

Taht's what i did, i played with them with crossfire disabled. and i noticed little artifact with each one in whatever. The two gpu were in the Case, but i switched the HDMI cable between the two to test them one at a time without having to remove one fo the GPU ( msi afterburner confirmed that )
BTW : One question, when i install a GPU, do i have to unlock the locker ? Or should i have to leave in locked position ? Because at this point i just don't know if my GPU's are corectly seated .
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August 20, 2014 2:10:08 AM

If i'm getting what you mean than should you only have to unlock the locker when removing the gpu.
They just should be completely in the pcie slot.Just press on them with a reasonable force with two thumbs on the side,if they don't go deeper should you be fine.

Maybe you can clean the pcie pins of the cards with a clean pencil eraser.I've read ones that this could help with ram,maybe it works on gpu's too.If you're in doubt whether this can damage the cards then just don't do it.
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August 20, 2014 4:08:21 AM

Yeah i'm just not confident enough to dot this. I just reseated the card, no change in firestrike.
Just to know, if a pcie slot was faulty ( so two here...) Would ther be just occasional artifact or would just the GPU not work, or show Very bad artifacts ?
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August 20, 2014 4:26:31 AM

Don't think it's the pcie slots.The cards wouldn't work (properly,don't mean artifacts) in that case.

Tried each card alone in the top slot? (or bottom one for that matter) Really take the other one out.
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August 20, 2014 4:36:18 AM

What would be the difference to take the other out ?
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August 20, 2014 4:59:48 AM

The ability of switching places
These cards communicate via the pcie slot so making absolutley sure they don't try that.
The top slot works at x16 the other at x8,shouldn't make such a big difference or any,but still worth looking at imo.

If you're tired of trying things out contact the vendor and talk to them about an rma when you think these aren't right.
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August 20, 2014 6:21:14 AM

The point is when i disconnect crossfire and connect the monitor to the second GPU, the artifact are still showing in firestrike and only the second gpu is working ( that's the point) And as i already switched the two GPU, i think i tried the two gpu in the two different slots.
I know my english is bad but, i m' not sure if what i'm saying is clear.
And that's not that i'm tired, but i'm just afraid to kill something in my computer ( other than what's already broken).

Oh, is there any BIOS switch button on the R9 290 ?
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August 20, 2014 6:33:13 AM

I always use this tool.
i'm going to die ^^
I hava a new little artifact in Unigine Heaven valley which appear with my two GPU at the same place in the beginning : little piece of texture that are empty that are missing and becoming white ( i thin three or four little piece of texture). This artifact, or bug i don't know almost disapear with changing the tesselation preset, thought.


Edit : ran another test on the IGpu, no pb in firestrike. The bug in unigine heaven appear when tesselation was on extrem, so that's a bug in the engine as i know unigine Heaven as some. So i think that i have to R9 290 that are a bit bad. Or two bad Pcie Slot but that's unlikely.

Maybe the first one was damaged because of the heat, and the second one was a bit faulty ?Problem is :my vendor doesn't sell R9 290 trix anymore on his website.
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August 20, 2014 10:42:15 AM

Well I still haven't seen that you even tried to pull the cards out and try one at a time.

One GPU may be faulty, I would be surprised if both were.

I'm pretty much done with this thread if you aren't even going to try the recommendations given to you.
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August 20, 2014 11:11:09 AM

I'm sorry, it's just that i'm afraid to broke something else...
I will do that, i just need to be confident. That's my first build...
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August 20, 2014 11:21:54 AM

But when i disable crossfire it only use one card, right ?

So, did what you said, test one card at a time in firestrike in the x16 slot : Same flash artifact at the exact same spot.
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August 20, 2014 12:28:48 PM

Jack-OF-Blades said:
But when i disable crossfire it only use one card, right ?

So, did what you said, test one card at a time in firestrike in the x16 slot : Same flash artifact at the exact same spot.


It sounds like a driver issue. I would update whatever firestrike program you are using, and make sure your GPU drivers are up to date also.

Having a identical artifact in the same place with two different GPUs is indicative of a software issue, not a hardware issue.

I'm starting to think you really don't have any problems at all.

When you are running the cards in crossfire, are you getting smooth FPS, low temperatures, and little to no artifacting? If the answer is yes, I think you are fine.

If the artifacts are noticeable, take one GPU out, and run the game that is artifacting with one GPU. See if the artifacts continue. If not, try the other GPU by itself. If one artifacts, you have a bad one. If neither artifact, but artifact in crossfire only, this could again be contributed to a software or driver issue.

Computers are not an exact science. Having multiple GPUs in Crossfire does not have a long standing reputation of being 100% perfect all the time. You are more likely to experience driver or software issues with 2 GPUs than you are with 1 GPU. As long as you aren't experiencing regular restarts, artifacts, or high temperatures, I wouldn't worry about it.
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August 20, 2014 12:30:15 PM

P.S. - It is quite possible that AMD may release a driver update in the near future that will fix these issues - I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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August 20, 2014 1:00:03 PM

But i have this artifact in Firestrike wih all the driver i tried AND it wasn't ther at the begining of august.
Plus, it doesn't happen on my igpu.
And i tried a few game with my two different gpu whith crossfire disabled, and all two gave me artifact in some games : flickering black polygon in some place ( not on all the screen), flikering like in darksider when the other one showed some white artifact during a cutscene that wasn't there when i replayed it, idem for a big black spot during another cutscene. I saw a white flashing line during the intro of left for dead 2, and a green one when relaunching the game.
And this kind of problem are not on the internet, nobody spoke of this problem with left for dead 2 or Black pixel and black square in Darksiders. And i'm always looking at the temp ( exept for the first time when i forget to watch it). The issue are random and i don't find a spot where i can really compare ( exept in Murdered soul suspect and the two gpu in the two different slo when used with crossfire disabled and enabled gave me some green flash...that people are not mentionning on internet ! They are talking about green texture when enabling anything other than Fxaa : i saw some green pixel on shadow that disapeared with FXAA, but the Big green flash showed up even with other kind of anti alisaing....but not on the Igpu.) So maybe i'm unlucky and i have big software issue or...i'm unlucky and i have two faulty gpu...or i'm unlucky and i have two faulty Pcie slot.or.... ihave something on my motherboard that work not really good sometime.

I just don't know.

Anyway, i have to thank you for your advice and your help here.



PS : I hope so, but i'm not really confident.
My score are quite normal, 2450 on unigine heaven, more than 19000 for the GPU on Firestrike. My cpu is a bit on the weak side i think 7100 with no overclock. If i forgot to close chrome, it is at 6700/6900.
Also, one evening, my score on Unigine was 2300 i don't know if that can mean something.... Gpu can be tired ? ^^
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August 21, 2014 3:09:51 AM

I did a OCCT test on the first GPU and there were no error, but at a moment, the screen went black saying "no video input" with the sound when you disconnect and reconnect en USB device for example.
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